B1 Free Archiver

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Armworm
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I found this application while searching for a free software archiver for my Android phone. It has a beautiful UI, it can open a variety of formats, and it's free software! (I'm not sure about the license; the site claims it's the Apache License but the Windows installer run via WINE has a shortened BSD License.) You can get it here. I'd request that it be added to the repositories, but no one has acted on anything I've reported in the issue tracker so far.

ssdclickofdeath
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The website reminds me of cheesy virus-infested software download sites.

Armworm
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I know, me too. But as proprietary as it may look, it's free, and it works fantastically.

mYself
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B1 Free Archiver is a proprietary freeware application. Please avoid recommending a software before you properly check its license.

Armworm
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I checked the license thoroughly and found it was under the Apache license. The sole problem is that the source code is not available.

mYself
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It's interesting, because I was not able to find the license. Can you attach the link to it, or tell me where you found it? Bear in mind, that this is NOT the license!

EDIT: Nevertheless, I was able to find the license in the installer for MS Windows/Woe.

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Armworm
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Kindly note that I had found both of these before beginning this thread:

>"I'm not sure about the license; the site claims it's the Apache License but the Windows installer run via WINE has a shortened BSD License."

Seeing source code available on GitHub, I assumed it was for the GUI.

mYself
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You claimed that the installer for MS Windows has the liberal license, and not the archiver; and also that the program is using the Apache license, while this is not mentioned anywhere.

I also tried the Debian package first, in which case the license is usually placed within the /usr/share/doc/program_name folder, but not this time. The license is not even available in the program itself, and because the website does not state the license too (nor the availability of source code), the application is 100% proprietary.

grvrulz
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It looks like they produce a free software tool called b1pack available here https://github.com/b1-pack/b1-pack. I checked the license headers of a few files and it's Apache. Basically it means that the underlying library and commandline tool are Free, but the main application is not(no mention of anything like that, and no links to source code).

Elad
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It is listed in the Free Software Directory

https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/B1_Free_Archiver

Whether it is a mistake or not I am not sure.

mYself
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Interesting... it's definitely a mistake. The only part of the program which is free/libre software, is called B1 Pack Project. The website describes it as follows:

„B1 Pack is an open-source software project that produces a cross-platform command-line tool and a Java library for creating and extracting file archives in the B1 archive format.”

So, basically the B1 archive format, and the corresponding CLI tools are free/libre software, but the GUI, since there is no source code access/license statement for it, making it instantly proprietary.

Armworm
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There is a license statement: http://dev.b1.org/license.html; http://b1.org/about.jsp ("We work under Apache License").

mYself
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1. The license is for the B1 Pack Project (B1 archive format), and not for B1 Free Archiver (proof)
2. It does not matter what license they use internally if they does not release the source code for the program

No matter from what point of view you're looking at, the program is still proprietary, and that does not change until the company developing the application does not change their mind (very unlikely, since they promote freeware and shareware distribution*).

This is a very typical case where the company release the format under a liberal licensing scheme to ensure its wide adoption. It's a tactical move, and has nothing to do with respecting user's freedom.

* "We are also interested in cross-selling or cross-promotion partnership with credible freeware or shareware distributors." (source)

lembas
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>There is a license statement: http://dev.b1.org/license.html; http://b1.org/about.jsp ("We work under Apache License").

Apparently that refers to "B1 archive format" but not to "B1 Free Archiver"?

>The sole problem is that the source code is not available.

This means it's dead in the water. Non-free.

Armworm
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Okay, okay, I'm really sorry about this as it looks like the Archiver is proprietary. DO NOT DOWNLOAD IT!

Anyways, I think they may release the source code for the GUI if asked. After all, if they've placed the object code under a BSD license, and released some more of the program's source code, then they'll probably have no objection to releasing the rest of it. Let's pester them at the links below until they do!

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/b1-pack-discuss
https://github.com/b1-pack/b1-pack/issues
http://b1.org/support.jsp

mYself
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In fact, I recently sent a message to them, to which I have today received a reply. Here is a copy of the email:

Re: B1 Free Archiver - General question
Adam Buyer
<support [at] b1 [dot] org> Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 6:06 PM
To: myself600 [at] gmail [dot] com

Hi
B1 Pack Project is open source, you can use the code to work with b1 format and .b1 files.
B1 Free Archiver as desktop and android applications are just free, but not open source.
We are going to keep it free, but for now we have no plans to public the code of the apps.
But if you need any help with b1 format and the libraries I'll be happy to help you.

Thanks,
Adam

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:08 PM, <myself600 [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:

Where is the source code/license for this program?? I can only find it for the B1 Pack Project.

As you can see, they are not interested in making the program free/libre, since the developers isn't committed to software freedom.