Trisquel 10 | Trisquel 9 Packages question ?

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Gnu-Bro
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Hello, everyone.

Where on the Trisquel website i can find all the software ? How this is implemented on the Guix website https://guix.gnu.org/en/packages/? Just went in and looked at all the programmes ? Not considering a terminal and synaptic

I noticed that the new version has updated programmers that for some reason cannot be downloaded on the Trisquel 9 !

damidu
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Hello,

The link on the website is broken (http://packages.trisquel.info).

You could look packages at the archive http://us.archive.trisquel.info/trisquel/

Gnu-Bro
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Hello Damidu

Thanks for the information

Magic Banana

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Trisquel 9 being based on Ubuntu 18.04LTS (Bionic Beaver) and Trisquel 10 on Ubuntu 20.04LTS (Focal Fossa), you can use https://packages.ubuntu.com

Gnu-Bro
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Hello Magic Banana

Thanks for the information. You write that I can use https://packages.ubuntu.com, what do you mean? I will clarify my question. Repositories Trisquel has free software, unlike other distros. If I were an Ubuntu user, I would not ask this question. The fact is that in Trisquel there are a lot of programs which are not updated, I do not mean a security update, many users, including myself, use to update guix in order to be able to use the new functions of the program. When I installed Trisquel 10 in test mode, I noticed that many programs were updated, but why it is impossible to download them on Trisquel 9 mini (for example) Therefore, I ask this question, where on the official Trisquel website you can see all the programs, how it is implemented in guix. Why there is no such link where all the information about the application is written?

Ark74

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What you describe is what fixed release model works.

A distro release freezes the software that will be included, libraries and such, so they are stable from the release date until the EOL of such release, meaning you get a very stable environment at the cost of not having new software introduced very often.

Trisquel tries to help a bit this by adding some specific backported packages (new versions or packages) to the backports repository, but as it could potentially introduce instabilities, that repository is not enabled by default.

Other point to take into account is that Trisquel follows LTS releases, meaning that the versions are 2 years apart, that's why you'll see a big difference in versions, so you need to move among versions to get newer software and 'til the next version is released, your software will eventually start to get "old" as time goes by, again this model is very stable and very easy to handle being a new user, as updates most likely will never break your system.

OTOH, rolling release distros such as Arch, Parabola, Hyperbola, etc, you install once and through time you'll get always the latest releases, that makes the system bleeding edge, but you also loose some stability on the process.
Before I would not recommend this for new users, but seems the breaking changes on rolling release distros are less than before, and they seems easier to install.

Still trisquel is not a rolling release distro, hope that helps to understand the difference in packages.
Cheers.

Magic Banana

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I thought you wanted to compare the packages in Trisquel 9 and 10, in particular their versions. As Ark74 well explained, those versions are fixed on a given version of Trisquel (except for Abrowser and for a few other pieces of software if you enable the backports; all packages receive security updates though). They are the same as those in the main and universe repositories of the related version of Ubuntu (+ some changes Trisquel makes to fix FSDG issues, for instance to not recommend proprietary software). Of Ubuntu 18.04LTS (Bionic Beaver) for Trisquel 9. Of Ubuntu 20.04LTS (Focal Fossa) for Trisquel 10.

Gnu-Bro
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Hello Ark74 and Magic Banana.

Thank you very much for your detailed answers.

But I do not understand why the official website Trisquel does not have a list of all programs with complete information about each program ( https://packages.trisquel.info/ the link does not work) as implemented on the site guix ( https://guix.gnu.org/en/packages/)?

Another example https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html

Why force the user to download and install an image to check what programs are installed in Trisquel?

Regarding package updates .I understand that you have to wait two years for updated packages, I understand that you are a lot of work, etc.

Please write a mechanism for updating programs other than Guix to have a free program installed in the system ?

For example the program :

BleachBit version 2.0 ( Trisquel )
BleachBit 4.4.0 released ( https://www.bleachbit.org/download/linux)

Beformed
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I see, you're basically asking for Trisquel to have a webpage where you can search for available packages in the distro.

I don't think we have that in trisquel but if it helps, I attached a list of the available packages in Trisquel 10.

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packages.txt.gz 541.11 KB
Ark74

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You can use of the manifest file for that.

http://cdimage.trisquel.org/trisquel-images/trisquel_9.0.1_amd64.iso.manifest

So you can check the version shipped on the ISO for certain package, and it's only some kbs.

Regarding https://packages.trisquel.info/ soon there will be an update on that side, please remember that the dev team is small and all the infrastructure is self sustained/maintained.

> Please write a mechanism for updating programs other than Guix to have a free program installed in the system ?

I would argue that's what rolling release distros are for, or maybe Debian Sid, as they keep renewing every single time.

My two cents.

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Hello Ark74 and Beformed

Thank you very much for your answers . I have seen the manifest and those programs that will be updated in the new distro.But that's not what I wrote about, I wrote about all the programs that are in Trisquel.

example https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=bleachbit&x=submit

I noticed that the link does not work so I decided to clarify, as new users will also pay attention to this. Of course I understand that Trisquel exists on donations and it will take time for developers to fix this.Thanks to the team for what they have !

Too bad there is no mechanism for updating programs ..

Malsasa
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We can use Repology for this purpose, for this moment: https://repology.org/projects/?inrepo=trisquel_10_0. I say thank you very much to Trisquel Developer Team for maintaining all the infrastructure and informing that packages.trisquel.info will soon be brought alive. I also am waiting for the search engine.

Sincerely yours,

Malsasa