What's the most modern hardware I can use for Trisquel? Need free software graphics.

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Renrits
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I have a 780 Ti that works with Nouveau but I'm worried about its age. What's the newest thing I can buy, integrated or dedicated, I don't care.

Magic Banana

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You want Intel integrated graphics. Sadly, post-2008 Intel hardware means as well a Management Engine that cannot be removed: https://libreboot.org/faq.html#intel

gd_scania
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I need to inform him to ask for Macbooks with Libreboot in TechnoEthical and https://wiki.parabola.nu/Macbook.

Technoethical
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Actually, the ThinkPad T400s is the single most modern laptop (product launched by Lenovo in June 2009) that has free software graphics and works with a fully free BIOS, with the ME blob removed.

For one year our shop has been selling worlwide the Technoethical T400s certified by the FSF to Respect Your Freedom (RYF). https://tehnoetic.com/tet-t400s

Richard Stallman himself has purchased the Technoethical T400s and he's been using it as his personal laptop since November 2017. https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html

Vikings
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> Richard Stallman himself has purchased the Technoethical T400s

Awesome!

Renrits
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Hey Technoethical. I know about the Libreboot laptops, but right now I’m just looking to upgrade my desks top computer. Thanks. :)

Technoethical
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Products that we at Technoethical offer and can recommend from our current catalog are the desktop-replacements: 1) the T500 laptop upgraded with quad core processors and 2) the D16 workstation with minimal specs.

We advise against buying computers with nonfree BIOS or partially nonfree BIOS.

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The problem componetns are WiFi and the GPU.

For the GPU, make sure it's an Intel CPU. All Intel CPUs have Intel integrated graphics controllers, and these are the only ones that always work without proprietary blobs in Linux. (Some Nvidia cards are reverse-engineered, but not all of them.)

For wireless, you have to get something old, because that's completely screwed at the moment. Think Penguin and Technoethical sell the only wireless hardware that works with Linux-libre. Chances are high you'll have to use a wireless dongle, or just live with Ethernet.

If you want the easiest route for a pretty modern desktop computer, go to Think Penguin. All their hardware is chosen to work with Linux-libre:

http://libre.thinkpenguin.com

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These problematic components are grossly processors, BIOS, graphics, wifi, not just wifi and graphics. For my own situations my wifi and BIOS are nonfree but my graphics are libre. Parabola, PureOS, Devuan, Trisquel are just run well on my i3-2367 (amd64) w/o needing nonfree microcodes.

CalmStorm

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The crazy thing is,.. Even without the graphics being non-free intel still gave plenty of hurdles for people to overcome...

It seems they are dead set on this path of proprietary control.

I don't really get why they do it at all, but seriously, graphics used to be the thing that we could count on having control over in intel.

Odd indeed...

The irony? My x200 libreboot with a dual core 2.4 ghz in each core is faster than some modern laptops. Especially ones with windows 10.

Though I still am kind of surprised how my thinkpenguin laptop isn't much faster in comparison.

Of course it did only have 4gb of ram but still, modern processor, you get the
idea...

I hope my point is well said:

Proprietary software is bloated in addition to being dangerous and malware built in.

Actually, scratch that, They are just greedy that is why they do it.

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Honestly my current nonfree laptop is brought to me with Windows 7 since 2010. However fortunately my Intel graphics are free so I can well taste the full resolution, 1366×768. Anyway for free software newbies they’re always discouraged to buy common hardware, I will ask them to read gnu.org and the FSF directories then order ones at TechnoEthical.

Renrits
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Thank you I onpon:) are you still doing Hexoshi? I tried what was done and it was very cool. Felt just like Super Metroid.

Do you know why the HD 630 Intel graphics is the newest one recommended by all free software people? Never see the GPU on the new Coffee Lake processors recommended.

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Recent Intel integrated GPUs have started requiring proprietary blobs for some (important?) features. I don't know the full details.

Regarding Hexoshi, yes. Progress is slow, but that's to be expected at this point (lack of time and all that).

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Stay away from 6th generation Intel Core (Skylake) platform, whose audio and graphics both require non-free blobs.

Also stay away from Nvidia's Maxwell architecture (GT(X)7x0) or newer, because of some nasty firmware (anti-)feature.

Also stay away from Intel's ULV processors starting 4th generation (Haswell), although there are some models without Boot Guard (we call it Boot Gaol or Boot Grave) permanently enabled.

So here are what I can recommend:

For desktop: Z97 motherboard, quad-core 4th or 5th generation i5/i7 processor.

For laptop: High voltage 4th-generation Intel Core, or ULV 3rd-generation Intel Core.

Note: For desktop Haswell or high-voltage mobile Haswell, the ME firmware should be 9.0 or 9.1 and without Boot Guard implemented. But ULV Haswell uses ME 9.5 with Boot Guard supported, so be careful!

Magic Banana

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My laptop has a Kaby Lake microprocessor (7th generation, which succeeded Skylake). That one: https://ark.intel.com/products/97147/Intel-Core-i5-7400-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_50-GHz

I had some graphical corruptions (on some applications only) when I was running Trisquel 7: its X server was too old, I believe. I face no graphical problem with Trisquel 8, using its default kernel and its default X server. No audio problem either.

Renrits
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Do you know if the newest Kaby Lake processors will also work?

Magic Banana

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Well, if that is the same architecture (Kaby Lake), I guess there should be no problem on that side. Now, a more recent GPU (my processor has HD 630 graphics) might create new issues. I doubt it though.