What the best environment on Trisquel for professional graphic designers?

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Masaru Suzuqi -under review-
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2019 will end soon. I would like to know the best environment on Trisquel. The best hardwares including stylus, software, etc. Would you mind recommending or sharing the good equipment?
As my current wants, I would like to use the current thinnest top of a stylus. And I would like to express thickness like material mediums. I guess 3D graphic software can do that of course but can I express the thickness on 2D graphic software? or rather, can I overpaint on 2D graphic software? So I would need a function of variable lighting sources. To express kensho world, expressing thickness seems to be essential. Why we can see that on a digital photograph of Van Gogh is maybe the thickness was expressed from the beginning on the material painting, I guess. But it seems that I am not sure if there is such a graphic software that can express the fabricated overpainted materials. (fabrication is enough, it would express computers's own original interesting something)
I was going to get Galaxy tab 2 10.1 and install Replicant and GIMP on it. But finding the best stylus for the tablet seemed to be a bit difficult. Then I thought it might be better to ask first before I get the equipment.
If you know a good environment but it requires other OS, I would open a thread on GFST.

nadebula.1984
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X200t and W700/ds are perfect for your application. Built-in digitizer pen support and usable Atheros card even with original BIOS. They should support libreboot/coreboot as well. (W700/ds is based on PM45 without integrated graphics so more experiments are needed.)

For software, install minimized Trisquel base system with KDE, and you can run Krita "natively".

Note: the Atheros card for X200/s/t, T400/s, R400, R/T/W500 and W700/ds (but not X301) bears the Lenovo FRU number 43Y6511. Just search for this FRU number and you should be able to find some from ebay.

Masaru Suzuqi -under review-
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Thank you. I got a strong inrerest in W700/ds and found two on ebay. One was $700 and another one was $900. I absolutely cannot afford to get one. If I could, I would rather get Talos II. I do not have that much expectations of the ability of the computer graphics. And I could not find both X200t and W700/ds on ebay nor my local online auctions.
Is there an other option? Krita seems to be interesting. I want to try using it.

Notice: I mean, I found two W700/ds on ebay. Merry Christmas.

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On 12/24/2019 06:48 AM, name at domain wrote:
> Krita seems to be interesting.

Some moderately popular furry artists use Krita for their work. I
should make a collection of who uses it, so I can showcase it.

nadebula.1984
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You should have heard of Pepper & Carrot, a webcomic composed using free/libre software (mainly Krita on GNU/Linux) and released under free/libre license (non-copyleft CC BY).

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I have an X200 tablet with Trisquel and MATE. I can draw on it, and
I've wanted to get into drawing with Krita, but I suck at it.

Masaru Suzuqi -under review-
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> I've wanted to get into drawing with Krita, but I suck at it.

Yeah I am also pretty sure you are not cut out for drawing. I might be willing to take the X200t at your asking price. I hope for your consideration.

Masaru Suzuqi -under review-
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There are two types of drawing tablets. One is called pen tablets in Japanese language. This type has no display, so we have to draw sort of blindly in a certain sense. Another type is called LCD (graphic) tablets and this type has display and we can draw fruits on the display directly. I do not understand well the difference between iPads etc and the LCD graphic tablets. The former are very cheaper, there are a lot of $25-¥30 pen tablets on Am*zon. The latter are at least ten times more expensive. I can afford to get a pen tablet. I checked h-node but there seemed no reported graphic tablets. Do those both all pen tablets and all LCD graphic tablets require proprietary something? Or if it worked with Trisquel somehow, anyway it would be OK? Probably it will not work with it? I want a pen tablet. Obviously it would take long until I am used to it, though. Would someone know a good pen tablet?

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> I can afford to get a pen tablet. I checked h-node but there seemed no
> reported graphic tablets. Do those both all pen tablets and all LCD
> graphic tablets require proprietary something?

It seems that h-node does not have a section for pen tablets. However,
searching the web it looks like there are some pen tablets which work
with free software. Can you list the pen tablet models that you are
able to get for a good price? I try to help figure out which ones will
work with free software.

Masaru Suzuqi -under review-
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Thanks. There are a lot of pen tablets of Wacom, Huion, XP-PEN etc. I also found a manufacturer Kumadori that is a new manufacturer and sells a relatively cheap, functional pen tablet. There is a $50 Wacom simple pen tablet but that lacks some functions.
They are usually under $100. I got to know the $20-30 tablets were too small to draw. And I thought newer tablets are superior to older devices like X60t in especially function such as drawing pressure or tilt. Also if I use the older devices, I have to search a good stylus and it would not be so cheap. Resolution does not seem to be a big problem, though. I saw some Linux users said so on the web. They used a very old Wacom LCD graphic tablet. But if I could buy a new functional $50 pen tablet, I would think it is better to have a new one.

It seems that to use those pen tablets on Trisquel, what only I need seems to be a driver for the pen tablets. It seems that there are some drivers for Linux. But I am not sure if the drivers that work on Manjaro or Lubuntu work on Trisquel.

Those tablets are usually affordable, could you tell me some of those tablets that seem to work with free software?

By the way, some video dampened my enthusiasm somewhat. She was using maybe the newest big tablet, of course LCD, not a pen tablet, I guess it is an about $2000... heck, what kind of device do you graphic artists generally use? I am just thinking that it would be difficult to draw a line with a mouth. I think there were professional graphic artists here, though... IIRC. I believe you are super knowledgeable but you are a musician after all. I do not mean you are unreliable in the case of course. But... yeah...

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> There are a lot of pen tablets of Wacom, Huion, XP-PEN etc.

It seems that Wacom tablets often work with free software and should be
supported by Trisquel's "xserver-xorg-input-wacom" package. However, I
can't promise that all Wacom models will work, particularly newer
models, so it depends on which specific wacom models you are thinking of
buying.

> I believe you are super knowledgeable but you are a musician after
> all. I do not mean you are unreliable in the case of course. But...
> yeah...

Yeah, I can help figure out whether a pen tablet is likely to work with
free software, but I don't know how to tell whether a pen tablet is any
good. If you can provide the specific model numbers of some tablets you
are interested in I can look into their freedom status, but I can't
promise that a particular model will be good enough for your purposes.

Masaru Suzuqi -under review-
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So... I'm afraid.

Wacom:

•CTL-672/K0-C (new, about $50)

•CTH-480/** (auction, used, early 2010s models)

•INTUOS DRAW CTL-490/W0 (auction, used, 2015 model, about $20 including postage) [1]

•CTH-680/S1 (auction, used, 2013 model)

•Cintiq 22HD DTK-2200/K1 (auction, used, 2015 model, integrated LCD but it seems that the backlight is weak so it might be affordable if I could fix it)

•Cintiq 27QHD touch (2019 model, ¥241030, has a special remote control device)

XP-PEN:

•DECO 02 (new, about $80)

HUION

•H950P (new, about $55, seems to work with android)

GAOMON

•M10K (new, 2018 model)

RAYWOOD:

•KUMADORI (I liked it, about $50, functional, but it was released two months ago)

But how do you look into the freedom status? Maybe I can also look into that? Or do you have a list?

I got to know even high-end models always have error in accuracy. It seems to be usually within 0.3 mm but compromising accuracy made me think various things. So surely I thought that it might not be so useful for my purpose. So I think I use the tablet for coloring mainly. I would scan my drawings then color those with the tablet. For that purpose, accuracy is not so important. Or rather I might like the error. I have tried to draw or cut or something with GIMP and the red track point of the Thinkpad but it was almost impossible. So I was wondering how they draw those works with drawing software but now I think I got it. Maybe they usually use a graphic tablet, right? But I wonder how about 20-30 years ago was. How did Jurassic Park's artists make them? by a mouse? It was 3D, though.

In conclusion, Wacom devices are basically supported by Trisquel, so probably [1] is sufficient for my purpose. It is cheap and relatively new. But my thought might change later, and KUMADORI still draws my attention, so just in case, could you check the freedom status of just CTL-490/W0 and KUMADORI? Thank you.

chaosmonk

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> But how do you look into the freedom status? Maybe I can also look
> into that?

For something like this, I would just search for threads and tutorials
referencing the specific model, and see whether others have been
successful in using it without non-free software. Searching for
"[modelname] debian" is a good starting point. If it works on Debian
without the non-free repository enabled, then it should also work on
Trisquel, unless the tablet is newer than the version is too new, in
which case you might need to upgrade to a newer kernel from jxself's
repo a newer version of xserver-xorg-input-wacom.

> could you check the freedom status of just CTL-490/W0 and KUMADORI?
> Thank you.

Based on this thread,[1] I think that the CTL-490/W0 will probably be
okay. The OP had trouble because Debian 8's versions of the kernel,
libwacom, and xserver-xorg-input-wacom were too old, but Trisquel 8's
versions should be new enough.

I can't find a pen tablet called "kumadori". Can you provide a link?

[1]
https://superuser.com/questions/1167897/how-to-get-a-wacom-intutos-ctl-490-to-work-in-debian-8

Masaru Suzuqi -under review-
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> If it works on Debian without the non-free repository enabled

Ah I see. I was thinking or under the impression Debian and Ubuntu did not respect users's freedom so it was out of my thought (in this community too, it seems that the opinion about whether Debian is free or not was divided. So I thought Debian was unreliable, as an excuse ;P).
I'm not sure how to distinguish non-free from free of Debian or Ubuntu stuff though but I will see.

> I can't find a pen tablet called "kumadori". Can you provide a link?

Amazon USA is not selling the device. It seems that maybe only Amazon Japan sells it.
The vendor seems to be psyched for the quality of their device and selling it in reasonable price. Maybe they have only one product. So it is OK, I would ask it in Debian community. Possibly there might be some developers who is working to make the driver for Kumadori around them but since it seems that that is sold only in Japan, the possibility would be very slim. I do not like an atmosphere of Debian JP very much... it smells something like the same as Japanese Hiphop or Japanese Reggae, Japanese Sushi. So I would not recommend Kumadori to them... besides I have not used it. Just seems good goods.

Edit: Added a moderate joke. It occurred to me and then I could not stop to add it.

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> Ah I see. I was thinking or under the impression Debian and Ubuntu did
> not respect users's freedom so it was out of my thought (in this
> community too, it seems that the opinion about whether Debian is free
> or not was divided. So I thought Debian was unreliable, as an excuse
> ;P).

Debian has a repository of non-free software, but it is disabled by
default. Some of the free software in their main repository recommends
and installs other software which is non-free, but the main repository
does not contain any non-free drivers or firmware, and the default
kernel is deblobbed. Therefore, although Debian does have some freedom
issues, if a piece of hardware works in Debian without enabling the
non-free repository then it should work without non-free drivers or
firmware on Trisquel as well.

Ubuntu is a different story. Their default kernel has blobs, and their
non-free repositories are enabled by default, so just because a piece of
hardware works with Ubuntu does not mean it will work with Trisquel.

> > I can't find a pen tablet called "kumadori". Can you provide a link?
>
> Amazon USA is not selling the device. It seems that maybe only Amazon
> Japan sells it.

I am not searching Amazon. I'm doing a general web search and can't
find it. Does the vendor have their own website? Can you link to it?
If it is a very new device then it is likely that there will not be a
free Linux driver yet, but I can check if I have more information about
the model.

Masaru Suzuqi -under review-
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http://www.fudeyasharaku.com/

I checked the blocked contents of their websites by Firefox Focus (on iPhone, of course) and it was 0. They might have the concern. Would I contact them? They might be willing to make the driver for Trisquel.

> Debian has a repository of non-free software, but it is disabled by
default.
> Ubuntu is a different story. Their default kernel has blobs, and their
non-free repositories are enabled by default,

I see. Thanks very much. I understand it clearly. But if so, why Trisquel is not based on Debian?

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> > Debian has a repository of non-free software, but it is disabled by
> default.
> > Ubuntu is a different story. Their default kernel has blobs, and
> > their
> non-free repositories are enabled by default,
>
> I see. Thanks very much. I understand it clearly. But if so, why
> Trisquel is not based on Debian?

The defaults chosen by Ubuntu and Debian only matter to Ubuntu and
Debian users. As a downstream distro, it is just as easy for us to
ignore Ubuntu's non-free repositories as it is to ignore Debian's.
Trisquel is based on Ubuntu's "free" repositories (Main and Universe).
Those repositories still require modifications in order to comply with
the FSDG, but so would Debian's "free" repository (main).

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> http://www.fudeyasharaku.com/

It looks like they only have drivers for Windows and macOS. You could
contact them asking whether they plan to provide Linux drivers, and
if so, whether they would consider releasing these drivers under a free
software license.

[1] http://www.fudeyasharaku.com/#download

nadebula.1984
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I remember that Krita maintains a list of supported tablets. Most of them are so called "pen tablets". You can try to find such a list on Krita's website.

As for "LCD tablets", I have tried the following models of ThinkPad. All work fine with entirely free/libre software. The models include X41t, X60t, X61t, X200t, X201t, X220t, X230t, Helix (1st gen.) and S1 Yoga (1st gen.). The pen tablets of W700 and W701 also works fine. Any newer ThinkPad has Boot Guard so I won't consider them at all.

You asked why iPad Pro is much cheaper than professional "LCD tablets" like Wacom's Cintiq series. The answer is that the precision difference between them is too big. iPad Pro's "pencil" cannot be classified as a digitizer because of its poor precision.

Masaru Suzuqi -under review-
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> Those repositories still require modifications in order to comply with
the FSDG, but so would Debian's "free" repository (main).

I seem to be a bit confused. But if Trisquel's repository have only free stuff, it does not really matter whether based on Debian or Ubuntu or Windows.

> You could contact them asking whether they plan to provide Linux drivers, and if so, whether they would consider releasing these drivers under a free software license.

Yes after new years holidays, possibly I will.
But I might have been Kumadori's side too much, because of the price for the functions and the zero blocked contents. But I read some thread in this forum and some user writes that Wacom has cooperated with Linux willingly or friendly. It might be true, IDK. But Firefox Focus blocked 20-40 contents on Wacom's websites. I do not understand which manufacturer is the best.

> The answer is that the precision difference between them is too big.

After all that was every man to his trade?
But how about the quality of adjunct digitizers of those Thinkpads compared to Wacom's ones?
However, I started to think that Apple looks like a kind of religion. When it was around 70s or 80s, Apple's products might have had actual technical advantages but now it seems that there are only its ghosts. Even RMS (Ryu Murakami sama) has said that "Macbook is Ferrari in the compurer world." in around the year 2000. I think maybe he was deceived by Apple's myth, and still now, too. He writes his works with his Macbook. It does not seem to be librebooted.

Thanks everyone. I ordered Wacom one.
After that, I read nadebula's post and I checked that Krita's supported devices list in haste. One was supported fortunately. I am a bit excited! There seem to be quite a lot of painters here than I thought.

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> I seem to be a bit confused. But if Trisquel's repository have only free
> stuff, it does not really matter whether based on Debian or Ubuntu or
> Windows.

Ubuntu and Debian are mostly free software, with some freedom issues, so
it is feasible to create a FSDG distro based on them by modifying them
to remove the freedom issues. Windows is completely proprietary, and
creating a modified version is illegal, so it would not be a suitable
base.

> Thanks everyone. I ordered Wacom one.

Cool. Let us know if you run into any issues. I think it should not
require non-free software, but if you may need to upgrade to a newer
kernel and/or wacom driver.

nadebula.1984
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Said ThinkPad Tablet models are based on Wacom's technology, so we can have some confidence that most Wacom's digitizer pens and tablets work fine with Gnu/Linux without non-free firmware. I tested them using blobless Debian (without any non-free firmware). Microsoft's Surface Pro is also based on Wacom's technology, but it's hostile to free/libre software. Congratulations that you've chosen something right. Even the entry level Bamboo series are good enough for most artists.

As for Apple, it's a cult, not a religion. This is because that cult leaders make money by taking advantage of their followers' ignorance.

Some more trivial: I heard that Khara (an animation firm) planned to switch to free/libre software like Blender. If some animation studios could switch to free/libre software including Krita, Gimp, Inkscape, Blender, etc., it would be a major step forward. And you can help.

Masaru Suzuqi -under review-
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> Windows is completely proprietary, and
creating a modified version is illegal, so it would not be a suitable
base.

I don't think so very much. But I am a beginner after all. So perhaps you are right.

> This is because that cult leaders make money by taking advantage of their followers' ignorance.

I would agree on their way of making money, but still, I was under the impression that at least Steve Jobs had been resisting him being a dog of the system but Bill Gates seems to be willing to live in his gorgeous doghouse without the sense of reality. I guess that US sort of threatened other countries or manufacturers and forced the adoption of Windows. Setting the 80% market share is unusual. The market share of Wacom seemed to be based on their technical advantage and the (a bit questionable) patent. Maybe Wacom had neither such power nor demands to force the adoption of technology to others. The system would not care if Wacom has 3% market share or a 90% market share. That is a different story from forcing to share Windows or Android. But indeed, some companies that have strong influence such as Khara switching to free/libre software would make the system have some concerns. That's wonderful news. I did not know the company. Ms and Mr Anno make normal good works. Evangelion got dull though. If some young people's startups started such a thing without normal support, perhaps they would be threatened or ruined by the system normally. I am not still sure if Wacom assists with the threats.

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Users are not allowed to access Windows' source code. And according to Section 2c of https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/Useterms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm :

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(i) use or virtualize features of the software separately;
(ii) publish, copy (other than the permitted backup copy), rent, lease, or lend the software;
(iii) transfer the software (except as permitted by this agreement);
(iv) work around any technical restrictions or limitations in the software;
(v) use the software as server software, for commercial hosting, make the software available for simultaneous use by multiple users over a network, install the software on a server and allow users to access it remotely, or install the software on a device for use only by remote users;
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And many other sections in the EULA prevent what free software allows, by definition.

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I don't know if this is relevant anymore. I am a mathematician and I hate keeping track of paper. I also draw in Krita for fun. Here are the tablet pc's I have used and the pros and cons:

1. Wacom Intuos S tablet with 2013 iMac
Pros:
-Beautiful screen. Great colos.
-very accurate
-buttons on the tablet can be mapped to different monitors so there was *lots* of screenspace for me to work.
-ran Krita and Xournalpp just fine.
-I am not a professional but honestly Krita seems like it can get just as detailed and vivid colors as real drawing. The iMac screen was really nice and had high resolution so there wasn't a huge difference.
Cons:
-obviously not portable
-even though my handwriting was fine after the initial getting used to not directly seeing what I write, I found my hand started to hurt very badly after a while for some reason. I had to pay very close attention to how much pressure I was using to avoid injury.
-Probably kind of expensive.

2. Lenovo X1 Tablet Gen 2 (Note: i was using this with Parabola on it, not Trisquel, but most of this prolly applies anyway)
Pros:
-small and light
-High res screen

Cons:
-no hope of replacing wifi card
-far too few ports
-low battery life
-huge overheating problems specifically with Krita
-"wiggles" when drawing diagonal lines: not accurate
-too expensive
-delicate, cumbersome form factor. If you ever want to actually use it as a computer and type on it, forget about it.

This was an overall terrible computer. I hated it. Definitely do not recommend.

3. Fujitsu t1415

Pros:
-Awesome form factor. I love the swivel screen
-i really like this kind of stylus that does not require a battery. Screen is accurate and works out of the box with linux
-Wifi card worked as is. didn't need to replace
-Lots of ports.
-Very cheap

Cons
-A little old. It has a dual core processor so it's kind of slow. I didn't test Krita too heavily but Xournalpp was running just fine. The main thing it seems to have difficulty with is multitasking
-Kind of hard to find a complete one this old in good condition. expect to do some repairs.
-low battery life. Although it's okay considering the age. \
-Low resolution screen with dimmer backlight than modern laptops

4. Fujitsu t732

Pros:
-See above minus wifi.
-Plus, it's faster since it's newer.

cons:
-Seems to be a little bit more delicate than older models for some reason. Be careful while taking it apart.

5. Fujitsu t938
This is the laptop I have currently settled on.
Pros:
-bigger screen
-lots of ports
-lightweight
-fast but doesn't heat up
-awesome form factor
-very sensible to take apart. just unscrew the back and you can easily repair or replace any part. so convennient
-awesome battery life. i am getting about 8 hours of heavy use with note-taking and wifi on and everything.
-all hardware is supported with trisquel (once you replace wifi card) including fingerprint reader, smartcard reader, and cameras (not that you care)

cons:
-way too expensive especially given the following:
-low resolution screen for the price
-The screen is honestly terrible in terms of colors and viewing angles. It looks aweful. And this is why you shoulnd't feel too bad about not being able to afford the newer models like this one. I can deal with it because I am generally just doing calculations on my computer or taking handwritten notes but if you're an artist, you probably care.

Final recommendation for tablet computer: If you can't get your hands on an x200, try getting something like this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fujitsu-LifeBook-T900-Core-i5-M520-2-40-GHz-2-GB-Ram-13-3-Boots-FT/324007357551?hash=item4b7057ec6f:g:lP0AAOSwgtdd7lgN

It's a fujitsu t900

They can range from $30-$200 on eBay but I think these older models have a nicer screen than the newer ones anyway. If you put some time into it, I think you can find one that is in good shape. Just send some messages to confirm everything is in working order before buying it. You may have to throw in your own SSD or replace the battery but honestly if my purpose was for drawing, this is the type of computer that would best approximate what I would need.

However, even after everything I've been through and all the computers I've tried, for the purposes of drawing, nothing beats my wacom tablet with a nice monitor. Even something super accurate etc like the apple pen just doesn't replace the large size of the screen and the accuracy you can get with the wacom pen.

P.S. sorry for never following up about those Fujitsu computers. I ended up fixing them and giving them to people geographically closer to me to spread more linux in the world. It seems like they are not really what you're looking for anyway.

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> sorry

No. I learned a lot of things. Those are valuable information. I will go with the X60 for a while. I recently got a good X200 so I will use it in the future. I do not know well but image processing seems to be a bit too high load for X60.
I was thinking that a disadvantage of a pen tablet was that we have to draw without seeing the top of a digitizer. But I have just thought that that could be a good practice because I guess that kind of a pointer should show on the screen. And it would not be so stable because I guess the sensor would detect even slight vibration of my hand or arm, body, and show the vibration on the screen.
Accuracy of painting almost means stableness, like Sylvie Guillem, stopping is the most difficult thing in this kind of movement. I thought it would be similar to watching the vibration of my hand by a loupe. I cannot see the vibration with my naked eyes. If Ms Guillem watched the pressure of a place digitally where she stands on one leg, she would be able to improve her stableness further. I would not like my skill converted into perfect, regular, digital information. So I will always prefer analog works than digital works but being able to watch the slight vibration would refine my stableness. Apart from the expectation, simply digital works would be fun, though.
But actually I think I am already able to stop my hand quite well. My current interest is how to synchronize with vibration of atoms or rounding electrons around me. The pointer would help to understand those information. It is like surfing. Good surfers are good at synchronizing with waves. Bad surfers always go against the law of nature and move selfishly. That is uncool Self-consciousness.

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GIMP and Krita suck (IMO). Personally, they totally seem not to match my intuition. Inkscape matched my intuition. I was able to draw a picture without reading its manual, with a tiny troubles, though, it is totally acceptable. I would like it. It is fun! I was really, really frustrated with Krita and GIMP and their manuals and something. It was not fun at all. Or rather I felt sort of thanatos that I wanted to break my X60 right in two. But in the future, my opinion might change, though. Maybe Inkscape is sufficient for my needs. The One worked with Inkscape and those two out of box. Thank you guys! You can expect a really tiny peace of donation!

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On 12/30/2019 10:01 AM, name at domain wrote:
> GIMP and Krita suck (IMO). Personally, they totally seem not to match my
> intuition. Inkscape matched my intuition.

Odd. I can easily use Krita and Gimp, but I can't draw anything with
Inkscape.

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Maybe you are left-handedness.

I miss that round colorful pallet.

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Krita and Gimp are raster image editors, whereas Inkscape is a vector image editor. So you expect to use Inkscape in such a way in which you use a raster image editor?

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On 12/31/2019 01:33 AM, name at domain wrote:
> Krita and Gimp are raster image editors, whereas Inkscape is a vector
> image editor. So you expect to use Inkscape in such a way in which you
> use a raster image editor?

I don't expect Inkscape to work the same. I know fully well that it is
designed to handle completely different types of images.

That said, from a user's point of view, Inkscape is completely
unintuitive for me. Krita and the GIMP make more sense.

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I do not understand well technical things, though, what I want to accomplish with drawing software is that to create projective geometry-wise retouched pictures and prove the nature of the connection between mathematics and the skeptical abilities.
For example, there is one of my works "a note of the bundle of the laundry". I would like to retouch this work by digital projective geometry-wise diagrams. The source light is above the clothes in the work. Those figures emerge into the surface of the clothes by the light. In geometry, a hyperplane is a subspace whose dimension is one less than that of its ambient space. In n-dimensional space, a hyperplane means a n-1 flat subspace. (Note: I think that I understand the risk that introducing scientific rules outside the realm of science.) The source light plays the part of the top of a cone. My figures seem to be kind of subspaces of the cone that are lighted up by the light. So I would prefer a vector image editor than a raster image editor sounds reasonable in even only that sense. But this is just my guess that why I preferred Inkscape than Gimp or Krita. Because I do not know almost at all technical things about computers.
On the contrary I would like to ask, for my purpose, which editor is suitable for my purpose do you think? I tried to use Gimp, I clicked an icon that seemed to function as a pen. I moved the digitizer on the tablet to draw something and, indeed, the pointer on the screen moved, too. But a line was not drawn. I tried again and again and other various things to draw just one line. But I could not make it. Does that seem to be suitable for my intuition? I could do that on Inkscape without difficulty. Besides Inkscape sometimes changed those figures into geometric shapes automatically. I do not still know at all how to control the function more properly but it seems to be suitable for my intention, I appreciate the function, as if they know what I want to do.
As for Krita, I could not open even a new file. That is a probelm before talking about geometry.

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> On the contrary I would like to ask, for my purpose, which editor is
> suitable for my purpose do you think? I tried to use Gimp, I clicked an
> icon that seemed to function as a pen. I moved the digitizer on the
> tablet to draw something and, indeed, the pointer on the screen moved,
> too. But a line was not drawn.

Again, I'm not a graphical artist, but my understanding is that,
whereas Photoshop is meant for both image manipulation and drawing, GIMP
focuses only on image manipulation and is not very good for drawing.
Krita focuses on drawing, and is what it seems people usually use to
draw. One's workflow might incorporate both programs, Krita for drawing
images and GIMP for manipulating them.

> As for Krita, I could not open even a new file. That is a probelm before
> talking about geometry.

This could be a bug. What happened when you tried to open a new file?
Did nothing happen? Did the program crash? Did you get any error
messages?

If Krita failed silently without providing a useful error message, try
running it from a terminal and see if any errors are printed to the
terminal when you try to open a new file.

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This seems to be a similar problem, though. If I click "Settings" > "Configure Krita...", a preferences window shows up. It sounds I should mark the OpenGL checkbox but I cannot scroll down to the lower part of the window, I guess maybe in the lower part of the window, there must be a button something like "Confirm" or "Apply" to change or confirm changed settings. But those pages have not a scroll bar, and I tried to move page or resize the window by a left click and the track point of the Thinkpad on the edges of the window to let it show the supposed button, it can be moved or resized toward down but not up. I mean, I cannot see the lower part of the page anyway. Is that a problem of Krita? or Trisquel? or some other thing? I tried some things on Trisquel side to change the screen settings to show the lower part but I could not make it.
Also on their IRC, I asked how to solve this, someone said that I should check something HiDPI or HighDPI in "General" in the same setting page but for the same reason, I cannot apply the change. I mean, from the beginning, there is no "HiDPI" or something checkbox in the "General" tab. Maybe that is on the lower part of the page too.
At least for me, when I meet a woman, the first impression is everything. I have not experienced to love a woman who gave me a bad impression when we met for the first time. They seem not to have had the experience (I think they should consider it seriously, possibly none of my business though).

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The Alt key solved the problem. But Krita still requires "at least OpenGL 2.0 or ES 2.0". The current installed version seems to be OpenGL 1.4. But I could not figure out how to upgrade it nor install the newer version.
Because of the reasons, I mind to download it from their websites. Maybe that is not a so terrible problem, though. I wonder other Trisquel users have not the same problem when they run Krita for the first time.

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> The Alt key solved the problem. But Krita still requires "at least
> OpenGL 2.0 or ES 2.0". The current installed version seems to be
> OpenGL 1.4.

It sounds like Krita the X60 graphics card might be too old for Krita.

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It sounds like the X60 graphic card might be too old for Krita.

I see. So it sounds I can't help that. Thanks.

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Nice drawings can actually be done with GIMP. Here is an example: https://film.zemarmot.net/en/

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Since you compose geometric pictures, then surely you'll need a vector image editor like Inkscape but not a raster image editor like Gimp or Krita, etc.. You can try to find some good vector image editors by searching something like "list of vector image editors".

Please note that vector image (editor) and raster image (editor) are very different. One graphics editor may be good at composing one image type but not both.

But if so, tablets and digitizer pens won't help you much. They are designed primarily for digital painting (raster images). You may find a high-resolution screen and a good mouse much more useful.

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I want to use the digitizer. Anyway this is awesome. Especially painting materials are almost free of charge, no one can peep me is at work (maybe), I do not have to handle oil, solvent, and care of dryness, storage for my works. I am curiously more calm than excited.

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However, as I thought, one of the most fun elements of painting is competing for accuracy, is lost in computer graphics inherently. Second, I still feel that anything between 0 and 1 is always (literally perfectly) lost in computer graphics. Random numbers are not something between 0 and 1. These two are important pleasures in painting, and those inherent defects has hindered my enthusiasm. Drawing to prove "I am the most accurate" is the most fundamental factor that stimulate me to concentrate, at least for me, it is so. I am already getting bored somewhat... I think there might be something computer graphic's own pleasures that can stimulate me, though. I have not found that yet. I guess it is concerned with fraud, such as random numbers. Any clue? Would Trisquel have something own medium that makes me enthusiastic? Because because there is no between 0 and 1 in the computer world, there must be. Like the move 199. That might be the time when a computer gets life.

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I have just remembered and searched for the word "art in the age of mass reproduction". Benjamin's words (a quote from Wikipedia), "For the first time in world history, mechanical duplication has freed a work of art from its parasitic dependence on rituals." Computers were already playing a role. I haven't read his book yet, but I have a feeling that this book will probably play a new role in this era, again. It seems that his philosophy was taken advantage by Nazi. We cannot let them do the same thing again. GNU's philosophy seems to match his philosophy well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Benjamin

Are the advantages of computer graphics just conveniency and efficiency?

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Off-Topic

I finished my first digital work. There would be room for improvement but I satisfied.
Would you mind sharing it? Thank you very much. 100%free...hand, and scale-free. Would I be able to compete? I am going to give this work CC0. So you can put this on your desktop and I can always watch you from your desktop. I do not still understand well about license.
While I was drawing, I understood a little bit of why some Cézanne's works look like a picture. The left ear of mine in this work is equal to Cézanne's white holes, in my opinion. I mean, when we see something, we are not focusing on things around the focus. So they become dim. My left cheekbone is maybe equal to Cézanne's long left arm. I mean, our eyes try to retouch those distorted things to regular something we know well by experience. Everything seems to concern with the functions or the nature of our eyes. Anyway I was able to concentrate on painting after a long time, in a private space. Good.

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I'm on the mailing list. I cannot see the artwork.

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> I'm on the mailing list. I cannot see the artwork.

https://trisquel.info/files/C85CFE61-70DA-4399-8334-7A0963AFCF75.jpeg

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Nice picture!

Can you write a bit about your workflow?  What tools in the programs did
you end up using the most?  Did you learn anything while making it?  Is
there anything you were frustrated with while completing the work?

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On 01/03/2020 02:07 PM, name at domain wrote:
> https://trisquel.info/files/C85CFE61-70DA-4399-8334-7A0963AFCF75.jpeg

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> I finished my first digital work.

It looks great! Did you do it all in Inkscape?

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I don't know. I finished my second and third work. Maybe she is famous.

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He is famous.

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Wow that's really amazing. Thanks for sharing! The blurring effects of the hair is really interesting, giving it a photograph feel. I also like the green/orange color pairing.

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> giving it a photograph feel.

I am glad to hear that. I thought so too. It is weird.