17:47:36 <quidam> #startmeeting development meeting
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17:47:46 <quidam> very short one today
17:47:59 <Muphrid> ok
17:48:02 <quidam> #topic Trisquel 6.0 is out
17:48:04 <quidam> yay!
17:48:09 <jxself> Woot.
17:48:14 <gustavo_cm> o/
17:48:20 <quidam> #topic dist-upgrade issues
17:48:59 <quidam> ok, so there are some problems with the updater that appeared tonight (again WE NEED PROPER TESTING!)
17:49:19 <quidam> the main ones are:
17:49:56 <quidam> * brigantia's updater needs to be updated so it can update to toutatis
17:50:07 <daroal> :D
17:50:19 <quidam> that is, the one that comes in the live cd fails, but it should work if the system is up to date
17:50:20 <jxself> So people should apply all available updates first before upgrading.
17:50:24 <quidam> yes
17:50:47 <jxself> OK.
17:50:48 <quidam> otherwise you just get a (false) signing error
17:51:01 <quidam> there is nothing we can do about that
17:51:36 <quidam> but the incidence should be low, as it would be weird that you only update between releses and never with daily updates, even if you are lazy
17:52:27 <jxself> OK
17:52:30 <quidam> so, I'll just double check that the updated updater updates
17:52:39 <quidam> it did in my previous tests
17:53:11 <jxself> Maybe the release announcement should mention applying all available updates first?
17:53:23 <quidam> good idea
17:53:27 <starchild> that's standard procedure
17:53:40 <mdim> jxself: if the application is necessary, then it should mention it definitely
17:54:25 <gustavo_cm> Is that the only problem?
17:54:34 <quidam> #action quidam add need to update packages before updating relese in the notes
17:54:46 <gustavo_cm> (I mean, dist-upgrade with an out-of-date updater?)
17:54:53 <quidam> the other problem is worse, but we have control over it so it can be fixed
17:55:16 <quidam> it is the reason mdim is in a mess right now: libdb is still breaking some updates
17:55:41 <quidam> it depends on the arch, if you have multiarch on, and some combinations of versions
17:55:59 <quidam> and it breaks the update system badly when it happens
17:56:15 <gustavo_cm> So, #topic libdb...?
17:57:06 <quidam> the upside is that the bug lives in the repo, not in the images, so we can fix it
17:57:52 <quidam> there is not much to tell about it, other than I'll be hacking on it ASAP
17:59:15 <gustavo_cm> So, next topic? I'm not a dev nor master anything here, just want to know if there are more problems.
17:59:32 <quidam> you are invited to keep discussing on other topics like spam management, translation projects and other things that we touched in previous meetings, but I don't have more time today :(
17:59:57 <quidam> I have a trip in 48 hours and a lot of work to do
18:00:07 <jxself> Oh, to the U.S.
18:00:12 <quidam> yup
18:00:13 <jxself> I had forgot it was so soon.
18:00:28 <gustavo_cm> Ok, no problems :-) (I volunteered to translating to pt-br, Muphrid and I are just waiting for the means of translating the website.) Thanks quidam ;-) Good work.
18:00:32 <jxself> On the plus side, I will see you in about a week. :)
18:00:50 <quidam> great! :)
18:00:53 <gustavo_cm> (So the dev-meeting is ended?)
18:00:56 <Muphrid> yes
18:00:58 <Basstard`> Will there be a 6.0.1?
18:01:12 <jxself> basstard` really wants ath9k_htc
18:01:19 <quidam> Basstard`: yes, and many other point releses
18:01:27 <jxself> I need to change the kernel helper so that it it will load the firmware
18:01:36 <jxself> The firmware probably needs packaging, too
18:01:38 <quidam> we can start working on it in april
18:02:07 <quidam> but yes, we can have the feature in the repos sooner than that
18:02:42 <quidam> mdim: about the libdb problem
18:02:52 <quidam> did you already reboot/reinstall?
18:02:59 <mdim> quidam: no, I'm about to
18:03:55 <quidam> ok, so completely up to you and very ok if you say no, if you give me ssh access I can fix your update and get relevant info about the problem while I do it, so I can fix it overall
18:04:33 <mdim> quidam: sorry, too much of not-to-be-shared data on my drive
18:05:00 <quidam> that is ok (you perv)
18:05:02 <quidam> :D
18:05:04 <Basstard`> Haha
18:05:09 <mdim> lol
18:05:09 <starchild> heh
18:05:16 <quidam> I have a command that you can try, though
18:05:23 <mdim> I'm listening
18:05:51 <quidam> you can force the libdb update and then carry on with the upgrade
18:06:00 <mdim> quidam: how do I do that?
18:06:04 <quidam> that is a quick hack that works just for you
18:06:33 <quidam> #endmeeting