Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

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vltr
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Zotis, I completely share your appreciation about Minifree business model just caring about making profit.

I am not agaisnt that. But business can be made and should be made with nice manners and good business practices. Unfortunately, as far as I am concerned I do not see any of them present in Minifree's activty.

calher

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OK. For once, I'm going to make an SJW rant rather than protest one.

On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 03:03 +0100, vltr wrote:
> I think it is better
> just to create a whole thread for people for people being able to speaks
> openly about their experiences with Minifree without them being called things
> by this lady.

Normally I don't buy into "they did this because they're $IDENTITY", but
this particular phrase looks oddly similar to something I heard when
some of my family members get mad at a black person on the highway:
"that ****** cut me off!"

It's OK to be mad at somebody, but it's NOT okay to bring their identity
into it.

Being black has nothing to do with cutting people off on the highway.
It should not be mentioned when you insult the jerk who cut you off.

libreleah
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Calher,

I know you mean well, but I wish for everything to de-escalate, or otherwise not re-escelate.

I don't think vltr meant anything particularly nasty by it. They were simply referring to my gender. Let's not turn this into another war, please :)

The war is over.

~Leah

calher

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I just saw this message at 13:02 Eastern Standard Time.

OK, I won't send any more messages of that nature.

calher

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On Thu, 2017-12-07 at 20:20 +0100, Ignacio Agulló wrote:
> Go to London, buy it in person.

Last time I heard, Leah does not do in-person purchases or deliveries.

libreleah
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It says this on the website, but I do sometimes make exceptions. The last time I met someone was about 3 months ago.

I. Khider
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Beware of Intel blood CPU's which are manufactured on occupied land. Avoid buying new ones, please just use repurposed ones like LibreLeah's if you really have to
https://www.stopthewall.org/2005/08/05/boycott-intel-products-setting-factory-palestinian-stolen-lands
The factory is still going strong. While software freedom is vital to the interest of all humanity, so are freedom of humans who are in the world's largest, open air prison.
This book helps clarify.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fateful_Triangle
Free Occupied Palestine.
https://stallman.org/archives/2017-sep-dec.html#7_December_2017_(Capital_of_Israel)

calher

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On Fri, 2017-12-08 at 15:10 +0100, name at domain wrote:
> The laptops are not so ethical as they still use Intel CPU's which are
> manufactured on occupied land.
> https://www.stopthewall.org/2005/08/05/boycott-intel-products-setting-factory-palestinian-stolen-lands

If I'm not mistaken, the program that makes GNU Info manuals readable is
written in Israel by an Israeli. I urge you not to read any
documentation for GNU programs, including but not limited to Emacs, Guix
and Lilypond.

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I. Khider
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@Callher What is the point of having free software when you need to steal land, forcibly intern the populace, throw children in prison, and engage in extrajudical mass executions. "Well, at least they write nice free software manuals! https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

Writing nice software manuals does not give you a passport to do evil.

However, there is an Israel journalist, Amira Hass, who lives in the occupied territories and documents Israel's ongoing injustice against Palestinians.
https://www.amazon.com/Drinking-Sea-Gaza-Nights-Under/dp/0805057404
You can borrow this book at a library. Not all Israelis support the ongoing evil. In fact, many Israelis are doing hard time in prison for refusing to be part of the opression of Palestinians.
However, Israel still needs to be taken to task for opression committed. I have no idea what the stance is of the Israeli who writes the software manuals, but the concern must be brought up and not merely excused.

calher

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Free software requires free manuals. There are no ifs, ands or buts
about it.

If you think the software that prepares GNU manuals for publication is
too inhumane, then I encourage you to write a more humane replacement.

I. Khider
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The Third Reich also made great strides in cancer research. IBM also worked with the Third Reich to help with computer development and data processing. I am sure someone like you said the exact same thing when all that went down. : - ) Or is it that some humans are more equal than others in your world?

I. Khider
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@calher To help you out a little, because it does not seem to getting through, that fellow's image you use for an avantar says to pick the ethical choice over the convenient choice. While certainly convenience may be easy in the short term, in the long term it does more damage.

If that fellow is not convincing enough for you, then maybe this fellow will help too:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/08/stephen-hawking-israel-academic-boycott

Some reading to educate yourself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_%28comics%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pity_the_Nation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_War_for_civilisation

So for this Israeli manual writer, I am encouraging those users to speak out against opression. Not all Israelis are for the ongoing Colonialist, state-sanctioned subjugation and mass murder of Palestinians. You can say, "Hey, thanks for the manual. Ixnay on the opression thing, mmmkay?"

libreleah
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Godwins law aside, let's not go down that road.
Besides, it's off-topic to the thread.

I. Khider
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If someone advertises their products as 'ethical' or 'free', it sort of is on topic. Sort of like buying 'fair trade' products from the Warsaw Ghetto. ; - )

Oh, and Marek Edleman ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek_Edelman ) would strongly object to your 'Godwin's law' comment. But what did he know?

calher

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Boycott the British. They're the ones who drew those stupid borders.

Jews bought land in Palestine, fair and square, and their neighbors
still used violence and boycotts against them just for living there.

Forget those people.

If people still want to live there, great. Stay there, but under the
Israeli government. There are Israelis who are Palestinian, and their
gay sons will be safer growing up in Israel.

I. Khider
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Hi calher,

Nice to meet an apologist for Israel. Are you one of those paid apologists?

According to UN Resolution 242, you are wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242
According to Amnesty International, you are wrong:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/
According to professor Noam Chomsky, you are wrong:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fateful_Triangle
According to Professor Richard Stallman, you are wrong:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/free-software-campaigner-richard-stallman-cancels-israel-lectures-due-to-palestinian-pressure-1.364722

The land is in fact, Occupied Palestine. Intel, manufactures on occupied land, as mandated by UN Resolutions 242, this makes them blood cpu's and non ethical. The people in the occupied territories do not have freedoms and are in fact second class citizens. And no, Israelis are not just living there. They commit atrocities on an ongoing basis against the indigenous populace. If some Israelis are nice enough to write free software manuals or even free software, they still need to be called to account for ongoing war crimes and crimes against humanity. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre ) Preferably in the Hague.

Have a pleasant day.

I. Khider
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Just to clarify, what LibreLeah is doing is commendable and necessary. We need free software to have a free society and the attendant hardware to facilitate this, which is currently scant. Also LibreLeah does not directly support Intel, rather her business repurposes existing technology to noble aims, thereby also reducing waste. (Another problem in our society.) This is still the early phase of Libre hardware. Even Richard Stallman worked with non-Free hard and software until Libre options are available. I sincerely hope Leah sells her inventory and eventually acquires other options for us. One step at a time. By the way, those Thinkpad bodies are durable as heck!

chaosmonk

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Intel is certainly bad and buying from them is not ideal. It's unfortunate that there are so few options for libre hardware that as of now it is difficult to avoid using their hardware. I hope that this changes. I'm optimistic about EOMA68.

Time4Tea
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Are there any laptops available that work with Libreboot that use AMD processors?

SuperTramp83

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There is not one single laptop with AMD cpu AFAIK :(

libreleah
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The Lenovo G505S is almost at a point where Libreboot could support it. I don't remember what work still needs doing to it but it's close. This uses AMD hardware

s1lv3r
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i think that laptop use an amd a10 cpu you disabled the AMD Platform Security Processor? How?
That's amazing

libreleah
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No, the Lenovo G505S doesn't have the PSP

s1lv3r
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oh good to hear

SuperTramp83

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That's quite a powerful laptop too, and a 15^ screen. I would really love to own one (a librebooted one, that is, of course)

vita_cell
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PowerPC computers are always were much better comparing vs x86, but always were expensive. So Talos is much better computer, but much more expensive. It holds inside a good PowerPC CPU.

I. Khider
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Ahhh, interesting. : - )

a_slacker_here
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Question for Leah:

If I recall correctly, the next version of libreboot will provide full support for the t400's advanced minidock, do you plan to sell those docks in minifree?

libreleah
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Yes, I very well may do so. If you're interested in the T400, we also sell that at Minifree in addition to the X200. Upstream coreboot fixed support for the T400 docking station, and the next release of Libreboot will incorporate a newer coreboot version which includes the fix.

SuperTramp83

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meh..

meh, meh, meh..

meh..

libreleah
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I want to say that I very much 100% agree with SuperTramp83. You could not even pay me to agree more, because it is not possible.

Meh indeed, the +1 on your post is from me.

I'm not happy at all with what Tiberiu and Technoethical has tried to do to this thread. Successfully, it seems.

I sincerely hope that people do not believe their statements about me. It's clear that it is in his best interest to trash me as much as possible, hence his efforts in this thread. It's ironic that he once accused me of anti-competitive practises, when it's clear in this thread that he is engaging in FUD tactics.

He even recruited someone to work along with him.

Technoethical

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Leah:
> It's clear that it is in his best interest to trash me as much as possible

That has never been among my objectives. Nor wish that your company didn't exist, as you've accused me of in one of your earlier comments.

I just wish, like everybody else, that you stop lying that your prices are half of Technoethical's and that you offer good quality products. From the reports here it's clear that the good quality products that you sell are exceptions. It's also probably why you don't have reviews on your website, nor accept payment by card. PayPal could confirm this, but not without a court order.

> when it's clear in this thread that he is engaging in FUD tactics.
> He even recruited someone to work along with him.

For a detailed explanation why this is completely false and paranoia, see:
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/libreboot-x200-returns-minifree#comment-124423

Tiberiu

libreleah
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How is everything you've done in this thread not an attempt to trash Minifree? You have repeatedly made baseless claims that Minifree defrauds and deceives its customers, when it doesn't. You have said repeatedly that Minifree ships low quality products, and that yours ships high quality, to try to get people to move to you. This is a lie. Minifree and Technoethical both ship good products!

Yes you read me right! I just said that Technoethical sells good products. So does Minifree. Minifree and Technoethical are both good companies! You will note that I said from the beginning, in my first reply to you in this thread, that I fully endorse your company. I meant it! If someone buys from you instead of me, that's totally their choice. All - all - I ask is that you please stop attacking me or trying to spread FUD against my company. Surely you agree that this is a reasonable request?

As previously stated in a reply, I know how to deal with you from this point: discredit everything you've said by demostrating that Minifree is an honest, reliable company. I'll be very aggressively shipping my X200s this week, as many of them as I can, and I'll be bringing people here to write positive reviews about their laptops that they've bought.

Try trashing those threads, and try trolling them. I'd love to see you try. I'll be asking them to make separate threads per review. Imagine how that will look on your company if you even attempted it, as you've done here.

Btw: I don't take reviews on minifree.org because I believe it is not credible for a company to have reviews of its own products on its own website, that it controls. This is why I try to get people to review elsewhere. And Minifree stopped using PayPal because its account was frozen twice, not for the reasons you accuse, but because PayPal regularly freezes accounts when companies grow too fast. minifree was shut down for a solid 3 weeks because of this, once.

So stay tuned :)

PS: and please stop replying. For the love of god... you always have to have the last word. This is your biggest flaw, you know that?

vltr
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>I'll be very aggressively shipping my X200s this week

When I read things like this from Leah, I just get amazed... Honestly, I have no words. Do you think you are Angela Channing in a Falcon Crest episode?

It is not about shipping "aggressively", but just about shipping laptops with a minimum level of quality, which are clean, with a working administrative password, not written with tippex, treating customers in a good manner, answering their emails, and so on... Do you think you can take the challenge? I am not confident about that but certainly I encourage you to do so. Cheer up! :)

calher

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On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 03:32 +0100, vltr wrote:
> When I read things like this from Leah, I just get amazed... Honestly I have
> no words. Do you think you are Angela Channing in a Falcon Crest episode?

Can you provide clips/episodes of the reference you are making?

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calher

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On Wed, 2017-12-13 at 11:46 +0100, name at domain wrote:
> This is why I try to get people to review
> elsewhere.

Review of Minifree:

The laptop came in good condition, and replacement parts have always
been provided with technical support on installation. Sometimes, I'd
get a bigger hard drive than ordered, which was a bonus.

I could never get my firmware of choice flashed, though. I had to type
in QWERTY in GRUB, which confused me. I thought I specified Dvorak UK.

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libreleah
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Hi calher,

I apologize for this oversight.

If this issue still affects you, here's how to rectify it:
* dump the ROM using flashrom
* extract grub.cfg using cbfstool
* change "keymap ukqwerty" in grub.cfg to "keymap ukdvorak" (I recall that I shipped you UK Dvorak)
* reinsert the grub.cfg using cbfstool, this time with ukdvorak specified in grub.cfg
* flash the modified ROM

This guide shows how to modify grub.cfg in the Libreboot ROM that is flashed:
https://libreboot.org/docs/gnulinux/grub_cbfs.html

If you want me to provide support for this, I'm happy to. My IRC handle on freenode is _4of7

Ping me any time you like (NOTE: During December, I'm not looking at IRC much, due to heavy workload, but I take time off during the weekends).

~Leah

calher

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I fixed it already a while ago, but thanks for the offer.

I'll see if it comes with Dvorak on my next order. I'll order by
encrypted email. (Not any time soon, but whenever I need an additional
computer or this one is too much of a pain to repair.)

Wait. How do I send encrypted mail if my computer is broken and my GPG
key is on the same computer that will be broken?

calher

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On Wed, 2017-12-13 at 10:37 +0100, name at domain wrote:
> It's also probably why you don't have reviews on your website,
> nor accept payment by card. PayPal could confirm this, but not without a
> court order.

It is not good to have PayPal on a web store. It is a proprietary
program, and providing it to users would be distribution and endorsement
of proprietary software.

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loldier
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Don't you worry, Leah. It's water off a duck's back. Your gain, their loss.

SuperTramp83

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>I sincerely hope that people do not believe their statements about me

Well, I say I don't know neither one of you, for I never met you but I can judge from waht one writes and does on this forum. When I come here I want to share tips and learn about free software, and eventually joke. And this is all beautiful, but coming here and seeing this shit **AGAIN** makes me go ultra meh. My baseball bat is nervous ://
It's just sad how people can not learn how to simply ignore (that includes me too sadly, sometimes).
And as far as business goes I really don't think no discussion, no winning or losing over words is going to benefit the final quantity of greens in your pockets at the end of the year. I will repeat this: it does not matter which one of you presents better points or arms a better argumentation, you are just looking bad, both of you.
So yeah, you are losing you time **and** money IMHO.

That being said, Leah you especially should just keep doing your work, a work that we all have always appreciated a lot. Do your work and your business and ignore whatever shit someone writes on some website, right?

just my dos centavos :/

s1lv3r
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Couldn't agree more with Supertrump83, this fight is pointless.

loldier
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I wouldn't call it fighting. It's more like good old bullying. And it's not Leah whose doing the bullying. It's a man's world, after all.

That said, Supertramp has a point, as always. There's only so much we can do to help. Leah would be wise to ignore all this shit thrown at her. Take this advice and go on with your life and business.

calher

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On Wed, 2017-12-13 at 22:02 +0100, name at domain wrote:
> And it's not
> Leah whose doing the bullying. It's a man's world, after all.

Tiberiu is doing the bullying, but this is not gender-related.

Please avoid saying that people always do things to a victim because of
their identity.

Someone stole my quarter the other day when I dropped it on the floor.
They must be one of those people who first spend all their time figuring
out who's gay and who's not before they pick up someone's lost coins. A
lot of those people exist, you know. They're called fag snags.

If you think anything I've said here is disrespectful to women, I dare
you to speak to all the women who've raised me.

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libreleah
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Calher, I know you mean well, but please let's not re-escelate things.

This is not a war worth having. The fighting has stopped, and that's all that matters.

libreleah
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I just want the trolling, the FUD and the slander against Minifree to stop.

It has repeatedly been suggested, in this thread, that Minifree deceives its customers and that it ships poor quality products and provides low quality service.
These suggestions are 100% false.

Until today, Minifree has been making many sales. I've been shipping laptops quickly, doing the best I can under tight workloads. I've been providing generally very good service to my customers, and shipping good products. I think it's extremely unfair what has happened to me in this thread, for 2 reasons:

1) The accusations made against me/Minifree are all false. Minifree provides good quality products and decent service, even with limited resources operating under tight deadlines. We make quite a lot of sales, generally, at different times of the year.

2) If people believe these accusations, and our sales go down, then... well, this is Minifree being damaged. By slander. Credibility is everything. If we lose credibility because of what has happened in this thread, that means we can't even demonstrate that the accusations are wrong, if our sales die or drop too low.

I just want it to stop. Immediately. I want to focus on my customers, on Minifree and on Libreboot. I do not want to spend time arguing with Technoethical - for the 2nd time, I might add since this has happened before!

I want to spend time helping more people by providing them with libreboot laptops. This is important. Libreboot is an important project.

Instead, I've had to waste my time defending myself against a hostile competitor, which has resulted in my sales going down. Theirs too, probably. It has resulted in less time for me... guess what?

Less people get freedom. People will look elsewhere instead, and become alienated.

calher

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I wonder if all this thread is just a game meant to distract and delay
Minifree. :(

I. Khider
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I really like how LibreLeah is looking to get AMD CPU laptops into Minifree's inventory. A few words of caution before jumping in with them, certain mid-range laptops have poor battery life. Up to three hours if you are lucky, so please try to find a device that lasts a little longer, if possible. The other issue is graphics. AMD really needs to sort out their graphics driver so that in the event you need to plug in your laptop to an external monitor (when using Trisquel, for example) to work on something, you are SOL. (I write to AMD ongoing about this issue, and will be sending another letter soon.) One of my favorite OS experiences was when I had the Lenovo X120 and then the X140E, running Trisquel 6. I had long battery life and a super cool OS that did most of the things I needed before life got more complex, like sometimes needed multiple monitors.

I think Technoethical had an ASUS netbook or chromebook thingy that was converted to something Libre friendly that had no Intel CPU, very cool. If I am not mistaken, Nvidea also makes CPU's for some laptops. And there is also VIA, and Lemote. Such slim pickings out there in terms of CPU manufacturers. The mobile phones running Replicant are an exciting development though. It is a pity that there is not wider availability for such devices for North America. You need to start somewhere, though.

There was one fellow who complained about a laptop glitch for Minifree and LibreLeah had the policy of sending another machine and the first one would not need to be sent back until the new one arrived. I like that policy. I am guessing Technoethical would do the same.

Running a small business is really tough, especially when you start. You really need to promote yourself and post testimonials on your site and all that stuff. The emotional ups and downs are almost too much at times. If you can survive this part, you may thrive down the road. Try to hang in there. You guys are doing important work and I look forward to buying from both of you at some point.

I will say this about Paypal and payment. Paypal sucks, they also delayed/froze payments for my business. This is a general policy of theirs. Sometimes I called them up, yelled and begged, hung up and then tried a different rep. Eventually, if I plead and beg hard enough, they release funds in a more timely manner. However, if you already have a large pool of cash, they will release funds faster. If you are struggling, they will scrutinize. Go figure. Also, Paypal claims percentages instead of a standard fee. Like they stored my products, marketed them, and helped fabricate. Not. Paypal is a monopoly who does as they please and they answer to no one. There really needs to be more (viable) payment options out there. Unfortunately, Paypal rips you off the least, which is a sad statement. In terms of bank transfers, those are expensive. For most banks, you need to have a balance of 20K + before wire fees are waived. Not many have that kind of bank balance. Credit card companies are a racket who charge rates not much different from your local Mafioso. Consumers and business need to presure their elected representatives to keep the banks and entities like Paypal in check otherwise the exploitation and practise of strangling small business (and customers) will continue and get worse.

calher

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Richard Stallman says he just gets extended battery packs. It seems to
work for his long travels.

I use my boyfriend's adaptor and plug my laptop into the cigarette
lighter in the car. This is how I'm responding to email and writing
this at the moment.

(BTW, email > forums. Offline > online.) :P

gnutastyc
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STOP THIS NONSENSE, PLEASE. It's going nowhere and the forum Trisquel-users is not the place to continue this.