Libreboot X200 returns on Minifree

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loldier
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A rejoint: 02/17/2016

Yes, I agree. It should be obvious that this is not the way to go. The community will be ruined by this, eventually.

libreleah
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A rejoint: 04/03/2017

I want it to be known that I 100% agree with loldier and gnutastyc.

The purpose of this thread is to promote Minifree's Libreboot X200, and to answer questions about it. Nothing else.

I do hope Technoethical will stop trying to trash this thread. I have no intention to continue communicating with them at this point, either here or elsewhere.

FYI: It's currently 7.30pm 13 December 2017 in the UK, as I write this. Today I shipped 8 laptops, and I'm currently preparing more for tomorrow. I'm aiming for about 10 tomorrow. Similar on Friday too. If Technoethical (Tiberiu) wants me, tell him I'm busy ;)

loldier
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A rejoint: 02/17/2016

If this is the way some people think they are going to make a point, then I'd like to see a new rule adopted here (taken from Modern Vespa). We need to come together and let issues be handled on an individual basis with the vendor -- somewhere else. The Trisquel Forum is not the place to do it.

http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic101599

Airing of dealer or vendor grievances -- no matter how well intentioned -- is prohibited. Trisquel Users Forum is not the place to resolve disputes with businesses or otherwise publicly identify a business whom you allege has done something wrong.

It's not because we don't like criticism but because we can't verify anything. Anybody can say just about anything and get away with it. Even those who have proper real issues are risking being labeled a trouble maker.

libreleah
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A rejoint: 04/03/2017

^ I 100% agree with this. This is not the first time I've had a major dispute with Tiberiu/Technoethical on Trisquel forums.

I want it to stop. I posted this thread here about Minifree's Libreboot X200 with the intention of telling people about it, and answering questions etc. Also taking feedback.

Unfortunately, this is now impossible. This thread has been completely trashed, because of the hostile actions of a competitor of mine.

I will very likely be creating a brand new thread. I'll be sending people to write reviews there instead of here.

loldier
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A rejoint: 02/17/2016

Moreover, it's critical that his never happens again. I remember "them" threatening with legal action "if". So, to protect the users and the community from any such nonsense, any person who makes legal threats should be banned.

We cannot risk being drawn into legal disputes with anybody.

libreleah
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A rejoint: 04/03/2017

In fact, Technoethical (aka Tiberiu) posted on this very thread, threatening Minifree legally... after first spamming the thread to begin with, while claiming that they are not hostile. Etc

This is not the first time I've had a dispute with Technoethical here. I want it to end, permanently. I've had enough of their hostilities. I want to know that I can promote Libreboot+Trisquel laptops on this forum without having to worry that they will try to trash the thread.

quantumgravity
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A rejoint: 04/22/2013

They threatened me also legally, multiple times.
They're threatening a lot...

gnutastyc
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A rejoint: 11/13/2017

Exactly. That is the way to go.

To someone else that wrote in this thread his/her experience with minifree and to all the people that Leah or Technoethical will at some point ask for a review... DON'T DO IT HERE. There is a thousand web pages where you can write reviews about online shops, and those will be the places where most people will look for reviews before purchasing a product here or there. If they don't find that useful, then they might come to this forum and ask (as it happened a few weeks ago with someone in the Spanish forum) to the users their opinions, but never to other companies.

And Leah, please, if you really agree with us, stop telling how many computers you have packed today, stop answering to anything that is not a question about your products and stop mentioning Technoethical in your posts, as it could be easily understood as a provoking.

I. Khider
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A rejoint: 01/19/2013

@gnustatyc, are you an official person here? I see that you are sort of new. Who has final say so on these forums? Is that you? Who writes the policies and guidelines? The Terms of Service? For the sake of clarity and such.

loldier
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A rejoint: 02/17/2016

Ruben the leader of the project, aka Quidam, has the final say. There are moderators. David is one of them.

I. Khider
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A rejoint: 01/19/2013

I like cats.

gnutastyc
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A rejoint: 11/13/2017

No, I'm not and you are right, I'm sort of new in this forum (not first time in a public forum, though). I just have been getting more and more nervous about this conversation going nowhere and getting harmful, while at the same time the conversation stopped being respectful at some point.

I apologize if I wasn't polite myself or if what I said led to confusion.

I just believe that in this same forum there's a "English Trisquel GNU/Linux users forum" and a "formerly called "the troll hole", this place has aged nicely and sometimes provides a cozy environment for off-topic conversations. Also trolling --just not all the time--. Visitors are still encouraged to be at least civic." and it should be respected, that's what they are for. However, you are right that I'm not the one that should take care of that being respected, sorry for it, I won't do it again.

I. Khider
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A rejoint: 01/19/2013

"Airing of dealer or vendor grievances -- no matter how well intentioned -- is prohibited. Trisquel Users Forum is not the place to resolve disputes with businesses or otherwise publicly identify a business whom you allege has done something wrong."

Have to disagree on that policy, the whole point is Libre tech. If a company is making false claims, such as they are Libre, and then turn out to be not so Libre, we need to know. If someone is using blood CPU's. that is pretty important. Remember, Richard Stallman got arrested by ATI (now a part of AMD) for protesting their non-free drivers. Same goes with AMD not having drivers like Nouveau to help free as in freedom tech. The whole point of Trisquel is free (as in freedom) tech and by definition, not engaging in opressive practices, either in the design or fabrication phase. If you do not publically identify demonstrable, verifiable (not fake news) wrong doing here, that is taking a step backwards.

Time4Tea
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A rejoint: 07/16/2017

Yes, this is really silly. If people have a customer grievance, then they should really take it up in private.

It's not healthy for the free-software community to be backbiting each other like this :-(

libreleah
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A rejoint: 04/03/2017

I request that all of Technoethical's posts in this thread be deleted, along with any posts related to the dispute that I had with them. The negative review against Minifree should be moved to a separate thread.

The threads promoting Technoethical should also be deleted. They are spam, since they have nothing to do with Minifree.

I make this request, while being less than 50% certain that it will be granted. And it is only a request.

If the above is not possible, then I alternatively request that this entire thread be deleted. I will then create a new thread.

If neither request is granted, then I will still create a new thread and let this one die. It's already trashed anyway, thanks to Technoethical's efforts in the last day or so. I do not want a repeat of this dispute, and I want Technoethical to leave me alone - permanently. What has happened here is completely unacceptable.

chaosmonk

I am a member!

I am a translator!

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A rejoint: 07/07/2017

I'm sorry this happened again, Leah. Thanks so much for all of your hard work. I'm glad that a variety of vendors can ethically distribute freedom-respecting laptops that you made possible.

Forum posts do not seem to be the best medium for providing information about products from any of these vendors. Perhaps adverts like ThinkPenguin's would be a better way of informing the Trisquel community.

libreleah
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A rejoint: 04/03/2017

Just for the record, for clarity, I want to say what happened:

* Technoethical tried to trash Minifree in this thread, suggesting that Minifree provides poor quality service/products
* One of my customers, whose order I did genuinely screw up - yes, mistakes happen, sometimes. they are rare - does the same thing as Technoethical, recounting their negative experience. This serves to give the impression that every Minifree customer will have the same rotten experience as they did. - btw, they're talking about the T400. This thread is about the X200. different product

In reality, what it actually does is exploit a little thing known as "confirmation bias". In reality, this customer wouldn't accept a refund, even though one was offered. I would have given one immediately, as I do with every other customer who wants one. They then went on a continued, concentrated angry crusade against me.

They then tried to astroturf, along with Tiberiu, by calling me paranoid etc or claiming that I believed there was some mad conspiracy by the world against me.

No. It's just 1 person along with Technoethical who have tried to trash this thread. Had they not interfered, the thread would be going along smoothly.

And btw, my sales are still zero since December 11th. Not because any of what vltr or Technoethical have said is actually true, but because they made others think that it is.

Let me re-phrase that: a hostile competitor may very well have damaged my company, by spreading slander about mine, on this forum.

I demand an apology.

Tiberiu: I'm still going to link your company on libreboot.org. It's not exclusively up to me anyway.
I'm not going to retaliate for this. I just hope you realize that your attack has actually worked.
I hope one day you feel shame for what you've done to me.

You have repeatedly lied, slandered and attacked Minifree, all for your own commercial gain. It's clear that you don't want the X200 to get off the ground, because then people would actually start talking about it. You had to attack quickly, and try to de-rail this effort as much as possible.

I said that I wholeheartedly endorse your company, and that's still true. But I no longer endorse you. If this wasn't true before, it certainly is now: I now regard you with the utmost contempt.
I'm doing everything I can to reverse the damage that you've done to me in the last few days. I sincerely hope that this isn't permanent.

vltr
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A rejoint: 09/30/2017

>by calling me paranoid

Not true, you called that thing yourself:

>It's obvious to me that Tiberiu asked you to do this. The timing is too perfect. I mean call me paranoid but... yeah.

>I demand an apology.

Well, I also would like to have an apology from you. If you have treated me with due respect in this forum just letting me express peacefully my experience I would have not felt compelled to reply to you so many times. But no, you just began inventing things about how you dealt with my order, calling me things, defaming me, tying me not to speak even by the means of trying to buy me... too much!

>One of my customers, whose order I did genuinely screw up

Future customers of Minifree, this is what you can expect from Leah. If it happens that your order become an horrible experience as ours you will can expect being called things publicly in a forum, tried to be silenced with bad practices, etc... if you just attempt to share with others what happened to you.

>You have repeatedly lied, slandered and attacked Minifree, all for your own commercial gain.

He did not do any of those neither. Are you able to speak about things with honesty and fairness, please?

libreleah
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A rejoint: 04/03/2017

I do actually try to provide the best possible service. But yes, I apologize fully for my behaviour towards you in this thread.

Once again, I take full responsibility. If you wish your order be refunded, then I'm happy to provide one (as I always have been). Please send me your wiring instructions and original order information.

Please also see my offer of peace to Tiberiu: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/libreboot-x200-returns-minifree?page=2#comment-124501

vltr
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A rejoint: 09/30/2017

Thank you, Leah. I accept your apology, and honestly I am very happy to read this latter post from you :)

libreleah
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A rejoint: 04/03/2017

I really hope Tiberiu accepts it. Even if he doesn't, I'm sure as heck going to stay out of his way from now on.

All this fighting has been completely pointless. It alienates our customer base, which then hurts both of our companies. Not to mention, we were both being completely unprofessional.

I think cooperation will serve both of us well. But let's see what Technoethical says in response to it. I have no ulterior motive behind it, other than wanting to live my life in peace and focus on my work, and, you know, not be stressed all the time fighting people :S

quantumgravity
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A rejoint: 04/22/2013

Leah, everybody who follows the forum knows exactly what kind of people technoethical are, so you can completely relax.
We saw what steps they are willing to take, and it's frightening, to say the least.
It's amusing for me to watch this thread with those "mysterious" customers and forum members who suddenly speak up in favor of technoethical, but normally never take part in any conversation.

Really, you can just ignore it.

I. Khider
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A rejoint: 01/19/2013

Hrm, this does not sound entirely fair. We regularly post (justified) criticisms of entities like AMD, Intel, Nvidea, Lemote and the like. I do not see why small entities should be excused. However, it can be done in a civil manner. At this time, there is not much in the way of forums to discuss Libre-tech or (civilly) vent frustations. I like that LibreLeah and Technoethical bring awareness to their brand and offerings. It is also super cool that some are looking to diversify their machine component pool, which is good for all of us. With Minifree, they seem to be new, so some vetting is called for, to the tune of, 'Hey, bought a product and it worked okay, they did not take the money and run.' So people who are actually looking to make a purahse can feel more secure. Dialog is needed to grow and I am certain there are more than enough sales to go around once the word spreads.

Technoethical

I am a member!

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A rejoint: 08/15/2014

I got tired of Leah underestimating everyone's capacity to judge for themselves if something is true or not, based on facts.

It's ridiculous how she considers that we're all morons and that we'll simply take her word despite what we see with our own eyes.

I'm also tired of having to come forward to make statements to correct her. I've been a free software activist for the past 11 years, but I'm deeply sorry that being involved in this important movement means having to deal with a leader that has a record of instability. But it doesn't have to continue to be this way. Leaders have power until we stop granting it to them.

Tiberiu

libreleah
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A rejoint: 04/03/2017

I'm about to send you an email. I'm also going to announce the email on this thread.

EDIT: see https://trisquel.info/en/forum/libreboot-x200-returns-minifree?page=2#comment-124501

While reading this post, please note that I am 100% serious and *will* follow through on my end of the deal, if you agree to it.

loldier
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A rejoint: 02/17/2016

"Kafkaesque" comes to mind.

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/29/nyregion/the-essence-of-kafkaesque.html

"What's Kafkaesque," [...] "is when you enter a surreal world in which all your control patterns, all your plans, the whole way in which you have configured your own behavior, begins to fall to pieces, when you find yourself against a force that does not lend itself to the way you perceive the world.

"You don't give up, you don't lie down and die. What you do is struggle against this with all of your equipment, with whatever you have. But of course you don't stand a chance. That's Kafkaesque."

libreleah
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A rejoint: 04/03/2017

Hi everyone. In the interest of transparency, I will publish this email I have just now sent to Technoethical, in an attempt to de-escelate and end all of these hostilities:

To: Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic <name at domain>
From: Leah Rowe <name at domain>
Subject: peace deal
Cc: Vikings <name at domain>, name at domain,
Free Software Foundation <name at domain>, John Sullivan <name at domain>
Message-ID: <name at domain>
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:59:38 +0000
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Hi Tiberiu,

This email is in my capacity as the director of Minifree, and not in
any way as a member of the Libreboot project.

I'm CC'ing my other competitors aswell, aswell as the FSF, in the
interest of both transparency and fairness. I do not wish for this to
be negotiated in secret between us.

I'm really not happy with your behaviour on the recent Trisquel thread
about Minifree's Libreboot X200 re-launch. That being said, I
understand why you would do it. I'm also guilty of rotten behaviour ther
e.

I will not ask you to apologize. I will simply forgive you, whether
you're sorry or not.

For avoidance of doubt, I refer to this thread:
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/libreboot-x200-returns-minifree

What I'm about to propose has a single premise in mind: to end any
hostilities or tensions between the 4 of us (minifree, technoethical,
vikings, libiquity). I'm not asking for us to work together, I'm
simply asking that we stop being hostile with each other.

I get it, I really do. But I don't want it to continue. I have a
proposal which I believe will benefit both of us. Please consider it:

1)
I link to Technoethical on Minifree
You link to Minifree on Technoethical

This will benefit both of us. You have strengths over Minifree, and
Minifree has strengths over you. We link to each other, and let people
choose.

By doing this, we both get more publicity. Minifree has quite a lot of
exposure on search engines and blogs. You would get more visitors to
your website.

I will also link to Vikings and Libiquity - whether or not they then
link to Minifree is irrelevant to me, but I hope they will.

The 3 of you already have this deal going between all of you, of
linking to each other. Basically, I propose to join this team, so that
the 4 of us cooperate in this manner.

2)
We both announce our new alliance-of-sorts, publicly, in the X200
thread on Trisquel forums, and agree to cooperate from now on.

It may also be preferable to announce a brand new thread for this. We
both then stop responding on the Trisquel thread where the dispute
recently occured.

We also both agree not to respond in the X200 thread anymore. I will
eventually, perhaps, start a new thread. I'm planning several changes
to Minifree in the run-up to christmas, including changes to the X200.

If I do start that new thread, I will put a footnote in the bottom
saying this:

PS: These companies also sell the X200. They are also good
alternatives to Minifree:
technoethical, vikings, libiquity

3)
As much as possible, I will try not to step on your toes at all. So
for instance, I won't say "Minifree is cheaper than Technoethical".
I'll simply focus on Minifree, and as much as possible, try not to
focus on you at all, or on others for that matter. You will also do
the same.

This is not to say that we won't compete. Of course we'll do that. We
will simply acknowledge each others existence and respect each other
to the best of our abilities, and not try to attack each other in any wa
y.

The fighting must end. It is damaging not just our companies, but also
the community at large. I'm proposing that we at least be civil with
each other.

I leave this with you to consider. I will execute my part of this deal
immediately, if you agree.

PS: Even if you reject this deal, I will still play my part and try
not to anger you anymore. The last thing I want to do is fight with
you. It causes me endless stress, and I'd rather focus on more
important things. I have my own priorities, such as Minifree and
Libreboot, but also many others. It is illogical to fight.

- --
Leah Rowe

Libreboot developer and project founder.

Use free software. Free as in freedom.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

Use a free BIOS - https://libreboot.org/
Use a free operating system, GNU+Linux.

Support computer user freedom
https://fsf.org/ - https://gnu.org/

Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom | Registered in England,
No. 9361826 | VAT No. GB202190462
Registered Office: 19 Hilton Road, Canvey Island, Essex SS8 9QA, UK |
Web: https://minifree.org/

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loldier
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A rejoint: 02/17/2016

I'm amazed that Leah is still trying to reason with them, negotiate.

You should pay them no attention. All they are ever going to do is take your words, twist them and throw them back at you in some awfully garbled form that bears no semblance to the meaning of your message.

libreleah
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A rejoint: 04/03/2017

I believe that Tiberiu is a good person. His actions with Technoethical and his non-profit foundation under it, is a good example of that. I also believe that he is capable of reason. I disagree with your assessment that my new attempt to negotiate peace with them will be futile. His company has an alliance with 2 other libreboot suppliers already, which is proof that he is capable of doing as I propose.

I'm 100% serious in my proposals. I will execute my end of the deal immediately, if the deal is agreed.

I just want to focus on my work, and not fight with anyone.

libreleah
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A rejoint: 04/03/2017

Another idea: why not do a Christmas Giving Guide on libreboot.org, every year? Similar to the FSF one, but focused entirely on Libreboot (FSF one also covers other devices).

It would be basically a re-vamped suppliers page, published alongside it, with a link from the homepage in bold text.

It's probably too late to do one this year, but we could do it next year.

Tiberiu, I'm serious. I believe we would both be better served working with each other, instead of fighting. We could also go further beyond the agreement; for instance, if someone is asking about a product that one of us doesn't sell, we recommend the other supplier.

So for instance, Minifree doesn't sell the X200 Tablet. If someone asks about that, I'll tell them about your X200T product.

PS: This giving guide would also be useful once we get the mailing list back online. That has been shelved but it's on top priority list still. Imagine if hundreds of people saw such a message every year, where the guide is also published on the mailing list each year.

vltr
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A rejoint: 09/30/2017

Is it not too late for trying to become friend with people who you have tried to hurt?

I have been reading Trisquel forums for long and you are always doing the same with Tiberiu, you try to say the worst about him and Technoethical but later when things are evident and facts become to get against you ... Then you change your mind "Tiberiu I really appreciate you...", "Tiberiu we should get along well..." "We are similar to Technoethical", etc...

However every time soon after Tiberiu lower his guard against you, you began attacking himself and Technoethical again.

And this is just an eternal and exhausting situation.

Do you thing people are going to be eternally having pity on you? Just make thing easier beginning to treat people with respect without inventing things about them and without calling them things.

>Tiberiu, I'm serious. I believe we would both be better served working with each other, instead of fighting.

The point is that you are always the one beginning fights, not allowing others to speak nor to share real facts.

...

Please, just try to be a good person, and people who you think are against you will not have to be exhaustingly defending themselves from you.

libreleah
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A rejoint: 04/03/2017

Hi vltr,

My offer to Tiberiu and Technoethical is a genuine one. I'm not going to argue with you on anything else that you've said in your post, for I am waiting on Tiberiu's response to my offer.

And yes, I apologize for my previous hostilities towards you. As stated in another reply to you in this thread, I'm willing to do what is necessary to make amends (this has always been my intention). If you wish to receive a refund for you order, please send me your order info via email, and your wiring instructions. (btw I meant it when I said I would have always done this. it literally takes me 5 minutes to initiate a wire transfer)

~Leah

EDIT: thank you for accepting my apology, in the other part of this thread.

FindEssential
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A rejoint: 08/23/2017

This thread is a great example of why self promotion should not be allowed here and that there should be a off topic lounge where threads can be banished to/purged from if they have nothing to do with Trisquel or receiving support for Trisquel users. This forum needs rules that are strictly enforced that are in keeping with people seeking support with using Trisquel. If that was done this list would be 1,000% easier to moderate AND use.

Right now we have users posting about completely unconnected distros, self promotion, accessing porn services, and political rants. This all buries legitimate inquiries about Trisquel and is part of the reason there are so many repeat threads, they get buried off the main page almost immediately by totally unrelated posts.

Minifree and technoethical should have their own support forums and stop stomping on Trisquels.

loldier
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A rejoint: 02/17/2016

On many other forums, businesses can only advocate their presence and products under dedicated subforums. This usually involves paying or sponsoring the site where the said advertising takes place.

On these subforums, only the business owners have the right to post messages.

Airing dealer or vendor grievances should be discouraged or outright prohibited because their usefulness or trustworthness can be argued and they tend to escalate into he said-she said arguments that can damage the community if permitted to go on.

Some people confuse vendor grievances for "reviews". A review cannot be criticism-only, since there must be an upside to everything. Even the darkest cloud can have a silver lining. Reviews should be much more thorough and adhere to principles of decent fairness. We should always assume good faith even if something has gone against our expectations. We should give vendors a chance to rectify and amend their shortcomings.

FindEssential
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A rejoint: 08/23/2017

I have seen such sub-forums and it could be a good revenue stream for Trisquel eventually, I'd be open to that. Currently though this place is a free for all and it seriously undermines the forums usefulness to actual Trisquel users. We need to establish norms before entertaining some formal vendor section.

I. Khider
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A rejoint: 01/19/2013

@findessential

Some good things came out of this, though. I learned a bit more about technoethical and minifree's offerings. Minifree may now consider other forms of laptops rather than just Intel CPU's. Both Minifree and Technoethical are vying to work harder than the other for the customer and free software. This is effing great! The customers are winning here.

It is perhaps too bad that they are overseas from North America. I am also a ThinkPenguin client and really like their wifi dongles. When I started using Trisquel for laptops, they really saved me.

Oh hey, this also looks really cool and promising. http://openlunchbox.com/

FindEssential
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A rejoint: 08/23/2017

I am not saying that many of these off topic threads lack value, I am simply saying this isn't the right place to have them. Specifically the community around Libreboot (including vendors) should have their own forum at this point, their users/customers are not getting the support they need and it is undermining the Trisquel forum's usefulness to boot.

This community has permitted general freedom related posts for some time, but i have noticed in the last few months that we have tipped over the point where those topics have just completely sacked the forum and represent the majority of the posts. That is not helpful to Trisquel users looking for support with Trisquel.

I. Khider
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A rejoint: 01/19/2013

I am sure these vendors will be drowned out once Trisquel 8 comes out.

FindEssential
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A rejoint: 08/23/2017

Ya, that isn't a solution. Never mind that this shouldn't be an problem in the first place. You wouldn't go to a car dealer to buy soap, it makes equally no sense to entertain many of the very off topic threads here in this forum.

I. Khider
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A rejoint: 01/19/2013

How is offering Libretech running Libresoft off topic?

I. Khider
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A rejoint: 01/19/2013

Oh wait! I get it! The First Rule of Free Soft and Free Hardware. YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT FREE SOFT AND FREE HARDWARE!

libreleah
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A rejoint: 04/03/2017

The fifth rule is, one flash chip at a time

FindEssential
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A rejoint: 08/23/2017

Right now we are in a thread that goes for pages without even mentioning the topic of this forum: Trisquel. This is not a "libretech" forum, it is the Trisquel users forum. It is a place where people come to get help using and building Trisquel.

I. Khider
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A rejoint: 01/19/2013

Right, I forgot, Trisquel and laptops running Trisquel, or buying laptops that run Trisquel is not Libretech. Got it. Kthanxbye.

FindEssential
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This thread is a self promotion flame war, it in no way advances the cause of Trisquel. In fact it hurts it.

I. Khider
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A rejoint: 01/19/2013

It is a fact that getting truly Libre and ethical hardware to run software like Trisquel is not that easy. Granted "LibreLeah" may need to hire a PR firm, we still learned a lot from this exchange. Some important points were raised. Also, keep in mind that entities like TechnoEthical give consistent funding to Trisquel through sales, which help all of us. Thank you TechnoEthical. Let's go raving sometime. Glowstix on me.

FindEssential
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A rejoint: 08/23/2017

That makes one of us, I think this entire exchange undermines libreboot as a project and makes me not trust either vendor. You couldn't pay me to use their products at this point. This of course was also completely predictable because the exact same flame war has already happened two previous times on this forum. If you had read those previous exchanges perhaps you would understand why I am so fed up with this off topic b/s.

calher

I am a member!

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A rejoint: 06/19/2015

Running Trisquel on a random machine is not hard. My first Trisquel
laptop was a random laptop my mom got from Walmart, and it not only
worked with Trisquel, but even the Wi-Fi card inside the laptop was
working just fine.

Someone else I used to know got two random computers and put Trisquel on
them. He said that both the Wi-Fi and the touch screen worked.

loldier
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It used to be a self promotion thread, initially. Until somebody stepped in to wage war.

Now, I think, it fits the definition of a smear campaign where the OP has been reduced to defend herself against flaming.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smear_campaign

A smear campaign is an intentional, premeditated effort to undermine an individual's reputation, credibility and character.

A smear is a simple attempt to malign an individual with the aim of undermining his/her credibility.

Smears often consist of ad hominem attacks in the form of unverifiable rumors and distortions, half-truths, or even outright lies.

The target of the smear typically must focus on correcting the false information rather than on the original issue.

FindEssential
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A rejoint: 08/23/2017

Flame war, smear campaign...either way my vote is to not allow self promotion at all and tightly moderate topics before they become a 4 page long waste of space. This is especially true when the topic of the thread has little to do with using or building Trisquel.