completely free AM3+ system?
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It seems that AMD did pretty well with the FX-8350 and it can be used on ASUS M5A88-V wich is able to run coreboot (a real libre bios replacement). So I am thinking of building a completly free system & am wondering if there is any knwon technology like Intels Trusted Execution Technology build in FX-8350??
I don't know that I'd describe it as "completely" free. The graphics card will probably require non-free software for hardware acceleration of 3D graphics. A workaround for that is to a) not use 3D graphics or b) use software rendering instead.
or wait for someone to test the external PCIe slot...and put a good graphic card there when it'll work.
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I'm not sure I'd agree. It is less of an issue in some ways and more of an issue in other ways. However you can possibly utilize this with an NVIDIA PCIe card on an extremely high end motherboard which does not include ATI graphics. Then get another bad solution to fill the 3d issue (9500GT is the best bad solution- and some other older NVIDIA chips will work too).
3D acceleration has a very little priority to me, otherwise I have a Radeon HD 4670 laying around and its 3D acceleration with radeon drivers seems more than enough for me though! Maybe a little better solution could be to use a Geforce 9500 with a very good 2D acceleration and some 3D acceleration but as I said, for a serious work I never really needed 3D acceleration!
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I don't think there is any 3d acceleration with the radeon drivers.
I will be honest with you. nVidia may be not the best solution (for now) for using with free drivers, but I have an nVidia 9800GT on my desktop and an nVidia 9600M GT on my laptop both using Trisquel and Parabola, and I have to say that the new drivers 9.0 (available on parabola) bring a lot of cool features and good performances (along side with the already known support for OpenGL 3.2).
So I am pretty happy in keeping those 2 because I now that they already are a very good hardware and since the drivers are growing fast this that in a short time (maybe end of the next year) I will have and almost (if not already full) experience with my nVidia Hardware using only Free Drivers :D And this is great !
But yes, I have to admit, if you want stable and good 3D and 2D performance NOW you need to have an HD4000 from the new intel CPU's (since they are the best from the intel side)... They win compared to my actual GPU's using both free drivers (not the proprietary of course).
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I wish people would care more about what companies like NVIDIA, ATI, and Intel are doing and less about it working well or not.
Intel isn't a great company when it comes to users freedoms either. However they are releasing the software under appropriate licenses where there are critical pieces missing.
NVIDIA is doing no such thing and AMD just pretends to care.
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You need good 3D acceleration for most modern desktops to work fast and smooth. Fallback mode of Gnome 3 (which is the standard for Trisquel anyway) seems to work without 3D acceleration but you would still want good 2D acceleration for everything to be smooth and not CPU heavy, but even that is subpar with many Radeon cards.
That's the dilemma nowadays, you either have a free BIOS, but lacking support for the GPU, or your GPU is supported very well but then you have a non-free BIOS. I've gone the second route, because in everyday work the non-free graphicsdriver poses more of a problem than a non-free BIOS.
As Chris said, it is theoretically possible to build a system with a free BIOS and one of the NVIDIA cards that work well with the reverse engineered nouveau driver. That would be the closest you can get to a fully free system nowadays, but you'd be supporting NVIDIA with your purchase, while NVIDIA has been kind of an ass to the community...
There is no perfect solution right now, good luck at getting it as far as you can get and having a solid environment!
as I said, for serious work I don't need 3D acceleration (libreoffice, emacs, mypaint, gimp, scribus & some chat and i-net). My favorite Desktop environments Mate,Xfce and Openbox don't need any 3D effects or 3D acceleration at all. I think Gnome 3 is more like Stallman once said: a kids playground, not more not less ;). so a librebios + a modern cpu + libresoftware would be very very nice! so here my question again is there any critical technology in FX-8350 cpus?
Hi alisee., all I was able to find within few mins are these two documents:
1. http://www.dcc.unicamp.br/~rdahab/cursos/mo826/2006/TCG_files/1027_1700_E1.pdf
2. http://support.amd.com/us/Processor_TechDocs/24593_APM_v2.pdf
The first one seems to be some sort of older roadmap on how they plan this Trusted Computing method to put in works. The second is mostly related to KVM and / or virtualization in general.
Good luck with finding more!
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Edit: Fixed links above.
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I think AMD is also implementing a version of trusted computing now in its CPUs. Whatever advantage there was is no more. I'm pretty confident Intel and AMD are going to discontinue CPUs without support for the technologies. Intel does not have out any third generation CPUs for laptops without trusted computing except for embedded and Ultrabooks.
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Do you have any plans for what direction ThinkPenguin might take if the TCPA gets its way, and non-TC CPUs become non-existent?
It seems like a difficult situation.
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Chances are that we will offer TC CPUs again when there are no other reasonably acceptable options for the majority of users. If you want to avoid TC-CPUs I'd highly suggest buying a computer in the next several months. This is not something without our control and I don't think there is any other project/company that is going to solve it in the next year. Which is about the time frame we have to fix the problem before it is unavoidable (switching back to using TC-CPUs).
Why do you need to build a PC if you can simply buy a Chromebook? The only issue though should be the Intel's video BIOS which remains non-free. Beware, that the first generation of Chromebooks was shipped with UEFI-based BIOS!
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