Netflix/Hulu?
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As everyone knows, I am fairly new here (to trisquel and to Libre Software in general). My question, were do Netflix and Hulu fall in the grand scheme of libre software? (I am thinking netflix is not due to the silverlight/pipelight requirement.)
If they are not permitted, what alternatives do others use?
Hulu and Netflix both require proprietary software and have DRM.
I use Popcorn Time, TPB, and DVDs for my movies and TV shows.
Intetesting. What about library utilized services such as Overdrive and Zinio?
Overdrive & Zinio both require proprietary software and are encumbered by digital locks.
You can remove the DRM from their books, but it's illegal. (I use Calibre to remove DRM from my e-books. TPB also has a fair amount of e-books.)
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No definetly not Libre in any sense. Use propritary software to run, the code they send is propritary and is one of the worst examples of DRM.
I can see the appeal of a platform like that (it is a rented library I suppose) but there are so many issues presented and it serves as a mis-service to you the user.
https://defectivebydesign.org/netflix
As long as I'm treated like cattle and a criminal by the entertainment industry I will not give them a dime. And I will not give them free publicity either by downloading their stuff from unauthorized 3rd parties either.
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So, a follow up to my initial question... How is a Libre OS ever going to go mainstream if the only options for basic streaming and entertainment are illegal ones?
It could be a barrier, but it's not something we can fix. These services use digital restriction mechanisms, so we can't possibly read the video files they send; they're encrypted. Even if we could come up with a way to read the encrypted videos they send, it would be illegal for us to do so thanks to laws like the DMCA. (The same is true of most video DVDs, by the way, whose encryption scheme -- CSS -- has been cracked). And they would be able to change the encryption almost instantly, making our efforts useless.
Personally, I think copyright should be abolished. The only good thing it does these days is copyleft, and I think the good of copyleft is less than the bad of other uses of copyright. (The FSF and RMS don't agree with me on this, but they do think the duration of copyright should be substantially shortened, which would also be helpful.)
Perhaps more urgently, digital restriction mechanisms ought to be illegal, rather than legally enforced.
> Perhaps more urgently, digital restriction mechanisms ought to be illegal, rather than legally enforced.
It could be made legal to circumvent them, for a start. That would be a great step.
In which case they would be no longer be legal; a law you're allowed to break
is not really much of a law.
He's talking about circumventing digital restriction mechanisms, not breaking laws. Of course, it's illegal today to circumvent "technological protection measures", but that's because of an unjust law. This law effectively gives the copyright industry the power to establish its own laws.
I demand that Netflix and Hulu develop an ASCII art browser video plugin for those of us who are still using dial up!
Ok, just kidding. But really...I have been a long time Ubuntu user and would really like to switch to trisquel as I find more and more to DISABLE and uninstall to keep my computer tolerable. But I really fear that things have gone too far toward the ultra capitalist, passed the tipping point to borrow the media buzzword. I mean I tried running Debian once and it was just miserable. Websites all felt broken; DVDs useless; mp3s, m4a of course don't work...unless I install about a million packages and convert my computer to Deb-buntu.
Is it just me or do terms like "technological protection measures" and "digital rights management" sound like Orwell, Rand, or Huxley made them up? I hate how corporate the internet has become, yet I want to have a computer that works for more than bitching in forums.
Broken websites, DVD playback, mp3 and m4a can all very easily be played back with Libre software. Technology isn't a big issue except when it comes to DRM.
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>I demand that Netflix and Hulu develop an ASCII art browser video plugin for those of us who are still using dial up!
nice incipit!
>I mean I tried running Debian once and it was just miserable. Websites all felt broken; DVDs useless; mp3s, m4a of course don't work...unless I install about a million packages and convert my computer to Deb-buntu.
absolutely not true. I can guarantee this. Debian works just fine out of the box (both 8 and 7) and you can do all of these things without having to install anything.
And even if it didn't, writing sudo apt install bla bla2 bla3 bla4 bla5 .. and waiting 10 minutes tops for it to finish isn't a big deal now, is it? :)
Debian now includes proprietary A/V codecs and flash? Are mp3 and dvdcss now obsolete enough to be given away? Really?! This is generally not how I have heard things work; even the crappiest Atari 2600 shovelware game from 1982 is owned until the end of time not by its dead developer but by some massive infomation-reaver company.
I'm not too worried about apt-get installing.... But what is the point in a free distribution if you turn around and add restricted codecs to make most things most people use work?
I am not condoning the status quo or meaning to pick on Debian/Triquel. Maybe I'm just not thinking far enough out of the box(cubicle): the internet itself is a spent force, rapidly degenerating into the cash cow of looter corporados pushing repackaged Home Shopping and PPV movie junk. How many times are we gonna rebuy The White Album?
Perhaps something like Outernet connecting computers like Purism Libre 15 could be the future of truly free computing. It seems like only yesterday when there were freenets instead of massive ISP companies so powerful that their MO is to put the fledgeling competition out business with frivolous lawsuits....
> Debian now includes proprietary A/V codecs and flash?
Note that MP3, H.264 and DVD can all be played with free software; however, they are either subject to software patents or are in a legally gray area in the US.
Free (but patent-encumbered formats) are available in the main repository, whereas Adobe Flash is available in the contrib repository (it's a free downloader package that downloads the non-free installer).
The latter is not incuded in a bare Debian installation. Such an installation enables only the main repository, not the non-free or contrib ones, unless you used an "unofficial" [sic] Debian ISO that bundles non-free firmware.
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>Debian now includes proprietary A/V codecs and flash? Are mp3 and dvdcss now obsolete enough to be given away? Really?! This is generally not how I have heard things work;
I once heard a purple monkey broke into a store and robbed it of 5 kg of bananas. It wasn't true.
Debian by default is as libre as Trisquel. You would need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add manually the non-free and the contrib repositories to install a proprietary piece of software.
>I'm not too worried about apt-get installing.... But what is the point in a free distribution if you turn around and add restricted codecs to make most things most people use work?
This doesn't make sense. All the things you were talking about work perfectly fine on the defaut Debian, without having to install anything. The few things that might not work are easily solvable by installing free software from the main (the one and only repo enabled by default) repo.
>I am not condoning the status quo or meaning to pick on Debian/Triquel. Maybe I'm just not thinking far enough out of the box(cubicle): the internet itself is a spent force, rapidly degenerating into the cash cow of looter corporados pushing repackaged Home Shopping and PPV movie junk. How many times are we gonna rebuy The White Album?
ok..
>Perhaps something like Outernet connecting computers like Purism Libre 15 could be the future of truly free computing.
Purism laptops are a scam. They are "free" as any laptop with a wifi usb dongle that works without the related proprietary blob loaded in the kernel.
You can find more info on it on this very same forum.
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