Backup your stuff - NOW!

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lembas
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se unió: 05/13/2010

Hi guys! Long time no see!

My laptop HDD did a head crash and it looked like I'd lost all my stuff. Work, school, photos... everything. And this would have been not a problem if I had had backups. But I didn't. It was on my todo list but I never got it done...

More than 1 month and over 1000 euros later I've got most of my stuff back but not all. And now I've gotten me a 500 gig external hard disk for backups, for meager 80 euros. How I wish I'd done this before it was too late.

Now let's see if I can piece my life back together... There's a saying that there's only 2 kind of people, people who backup and people who never experienced a disk crash. I just changed category.

Do yourself a huge favor and take the effort to backup things you don't want to lose, NOW.

Tedious
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se unió: 07/18/2011

Thank you for the reminder.
It's not something I usually think about, even though I've had family members lose their data due to hdd crashes.

onpon4
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se unió: 05/30/2012

Hm, I don't have anything to backup (I always make sure I have a recent version of anything I'm working on or anything important on at least two sources), but you did remind me to update an archive I keep of old stuff I've done. That might be something good to back up, as well. xD

t3g
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se unió: 05/15/2011

I have a 2TB USB drive that I use once in a while to backup important files. I should back up more often especially doing web development.

I'm sure lembas is pissed he lost about 30GB of porn on his system. ;-)

MagicFab
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se unió: 12/13/2010

On 12-12-13 10:48 AM, name at domain wrote:
> Hi guys! Long time no see!
> [...]
>
> Do yourself a huge favor and take the effort to backup things you
> don't want to lose, NOW.

Wow, I am sorry for your loss!.. and glad for whatever you recovered and
learned from that.

So what do you suggest using in Trisquel?

I have tried several packages in Ubuntu, never found something
particularly easy/quick to backup and archive easily (two different
things). Unison looked interesting but takes forever on big file trees.
So I am back to rsync.

I'd love to hear about interesting packages to do backups on a Trisquel
desktop.

F.

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Fabián Rodríguez
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oysterboy

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se unió: 02/01/2011

Le 2012-12-13 15:08, Fabian Rodriguez a écrit :
> So what do you suggest using in Trisquel? I have tried several
> packages in Ubuntu, never found something particularly easy/quick to
> backup and archive easily (two different things). Unison looked
> interesting but takes forever on big file trees. So I am back to
> rsync. I'd love to hear about interesting packages to do backups on a
> Trisquel desktop. F.

I use luckyBackup and it works fine for my needs. It is a rsync
front-end and enables me to backup the data from my desktop to my home
server. It also keeps a history so that if you screw up and erase an
important file for instance, you can retrieve it from the backup (the
backup is not a mere mirror of the source data).

On top of that, I have an external hard-drive, that I don't keep at
home, but at my office, and which contains an encrypted backup of all my
important data.

I urge anyone reading this thread who doesn't have any backup to do it
NOW! Losing data forever is a horrible feeling (it happened to me once,
when my apartment was burglarized and someone stole my laptop. The
backup I had was very very old and some things I lost forever :(...).

lembas
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se unió: 05/13/2010

I'm now also looking for a handy program, a lot of testing needs to be done to find one. I guess that anything is good as long as it's

* regular (automated, because a human being tends to forget)
* frequent (sometimes you get a lot of work done quickly)
* on another disk or encrypted off-site (disks fail, fires etc)
* delta-based (not copying what's not changed, e.g. rsync)

Having made manual backups now, it's time for the quest for the backup program!

This is kinda funny, this is the first disk that died on me. And I've been poking at the keyboard for 25 years now. I guess it was about time for me to wake up and smell the bit bucket. Sure, many disks get very loud as the years pile on but that'd been all, until now. Live and learn.

akirashinigami

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se unió: 02/25/2010

I've been using Back In Time for a while now, and I quite like it. It does all of the things you mentioned.

ivaylo
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se unió: 07/26/2010

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 08:02:02AM +0100, name at domain wrote:
> I'm now also looking for a handy program, […]
> * regular (automated, because a human being tends to forget)
> * frequent (sometimes you get a lot of work done quickly)
> * on another disk or encrypted off-site (disks fail, fires etc)
> * delta-based (not copying what's not changed, e.g. rsync)
>
> Having made manual backups now, it's time for the quest for the
> backup program!

I'm using duply, a duplicity front-end with a cron rule for daily
backups. It supports incremental backups, GPG encryption,
self-cleaning old(er) files, automatic full backups on certain
periods, remote destinations, file exclusion, multiple jobs/profiles
and so on. Déjà Dup in Trisquel also relies on duplicity.

Good luck!

leny2010

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se unió: 09/15/2011

Neither my Internet speed, nor my very crowded WiFi speed which is even slower are suitable for network backup.

I use pdumpfs which used to be in the repo, but is no longer. I'm looking at glastree (GPL) for the future.

Both are simple disk to disk backups programs based on a Plan9 idea. First time they copy the entire file tree to a subtree on the backup disk. Subsequent times they create a fresh subtree on the backup volume using hard links from the original subtree for unchanged files.

The beauty of this is that backups are simply a tree of ordinary files and restore is very easy to do with the ordinary command line tools (e.g. cp -a).

Further most of my ~160GB personal data is new media, so I wouldn't really save much space with compression (new media being in already compressed file formats). I therefore save time versus compressing tools on both backup and restore.

I also keep selected 'critical' personal data on a USB stick I carry with me all the time. This is a poor person's off site backup. If I had a car I'd put it in that.

Horgeon
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se unió: 03/29/2011

I had just put everything in an open session DVD last month. USB keys are too prone to fail. I spoiled many of them already. DVDs last longer,

tius

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se unió: 05/09/2011

I perform regular backups (I lost a lot of files in the past), but yesterday my external hdd backup didn't want to copy my stuff; he doesn't want to work. Fortunately I use two HDD for backups...

tius

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se unió: 05/09/2011

@ Horgeon
I need too many DVD for my backup, I have more than 220 GB of stuff :-|

Chris

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se unió: 04/23/2011

:) I'm probably comparatively good at doing backups. Although I should probably do them more frequently (of less critical data). I have only one nightly backup of anything (the most critical stuff). The rest is weekly to monthly. As you might have guessed it is an encrypted off-site backup related to business stuff. I'm probably one of the few people who could recover in the event of a catastrophe.

I actually just did a full bit for bit backup the other night. Although if the building is destroyed there is no hope.

sphynx
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se unió: 11/30/2011

People who make encrypted backups: do you make redundant backups (backuping the encrypting keys) also? For example, for LUKS encryption: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt_with_LUKS#Backup_the_cryptheader

Chris

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se unió: 04/23/2011

Yes.

tius

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se unió: 05/09/2011

My hdd doesn't work anymore. I tried delete and re-create new partition with gparted, but I get generic error. I think I need to buy a new usb disk :-(
@ Chris , do you think this: https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-500gb-usb-slim-portable-hard-drive can work Plug & play?
Thanks

Chris

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se unió: 04/23/2011

Yes. It can.

ivaylo
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se unió: 07/26/2010

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 08:03:27AM +0100, name at domain wrote:
> but I get generic error. I think I need to
> buy a new usb disk :-(

Check your disk's health with palimpsest/gnome-disk-utility or some of
the tools in these packages: smartmontools, gsmartcontrol,
smart-notifier. Anything that supports S.M.A.R.T might work. Check it
with badblocks for bad blocks in a terminal.

lembas
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se unió: 05/13/2010

Google did some research on the smart attributes for predicting disk failure on 100,000 disks. They found out that if the smart parameters were indicating something's wrong, then the disk was quite likely to fail soon. On the other hand, most disks simply failed without any prior warning in the smart parameters.

My disk too gave no warning.

http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf

ivaylo
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se unió: 07/26/2010

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 03:46:18PM +0100, name at domain wrote:

> smartparameters were indicating something's wrong, then the disk
> was quite likely to fail soon. On the other hand, most disks simply
> failed without any prior warning in the smart parameters.
>
> My disk too gave no warning.
>

There is nothing certain. Few months ago I got one of my disk still in
warranty was replaced, because it was going to have bad blocks. It had
no bad block but S.M.A.R.T attributes suggested it had or it would
fail soon. Don't remember which one. It was crashing the system and
was producing noises. These were good indicators for me, but yes it
could be that a disk doesn't indicate that is going to fail.

Just, backup and let it fail! :) And backup the backup as well. ;)

tius

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se unió: 05/09/2011

@ ivaylo I will try this week end, thanks.