Coreboot computers from NovaCustom

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GNUbahn
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Not everybody will jump directly from a typical 'modern' laptop to a fully free one. Some companies offer computers which are not fully free but much more free alternatives than these typical laptops. Some of these are System 76, Librem and Starlab. Recently I found NovaCustom's computers on configuelaptop.eu

Like the others listed here, they offer fairly recent laptops running coreboot.

I have only found one review of the company and its computer (it was positive).

Does anyone here know about them, and/or have good ideas of how to figure out if it is a legit company?

Magic Banana

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se unió: 07/24/2010

Not everybody will jump directly from a typical 'modern' laptop to a fully free one.

If that laptop has an Intel GPU (what is fairly "typical"), her owner can acquire a Wi-Fi adapter with an AR9271 chipset (search "AR9271" on ebay for instance) and enjoy a perfectly-functioning Trisquel system for US$ 10 or so. (Bluetooth may be a problem though; I have no idea: I never use it.)

If she is willing to help freedom-respecting companies, she can buy (at a higher price) the Wi-Fi adapter from https://ryf.fsf.org/index.php/categories/wireless-adapters

ThinkPenguin in particular ought to be considered. Its CEO, Christopher Waid, is the one who convinced Qualcomm to liberate the firmware for the AR9271 chipset! Also, ThinkPenguin was (still is?) donating to the Trisquel project for every purchase made using the link http://libre.thinkpenguin.com

GNUbahn
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her owner can [] enjoy a perfectly-functioning Trisquel system for US$ 10 or so

10$ + about 1000$ that is! But still...

Thanks. I will look at Thinkpenquin's.

Magic Banana

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10$ + about 1000$ that is!

Why? In your scenario, the user already owns a modern laptop. I added the condition that it includes an intel GPU. If so, only the Wi-Fi (and maybe the Bluetooth) is a problem that the 10$ adapter solves.

GNUbahn
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Obviously my original post was not clear enough:

The scenario is that if someone would be looking for a fairly free and fairly 'modern' computer, they could look to one of the listed companies. Their computers cost something in the neighbourhood of 1000$.

As stated, I have recently "found NovaCustom's computers on configuelaptop.eu" and ask here, if anyone "know about them, and/or have good ideas of how to figure out if it is a legit company?"

Thanks you the useful info on modem and gpu, but my question is: Is this a trustworthy company?

Magic Banana

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Is this a trustworthy company?

I do not remember reading complaints about ThinkPenguin. Chris used to be a very active contributor of this forum (7-11 years ago): https://trisquel.info/users/chris

GNUbahn
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What makes you think I do not trust Chris' company?

Magic Banana

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You asked "Is this a trustworthy company?", didn't you?

GNUbahn
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I did, but with what I thought to be a clear reference to NovaCustom (@ configurelaptop.eu)

OPRecently I found NovaCustom's computers on configu[r]elaptop.eu
Like the others listed [above], they offer fairly recent laptops running coreboot.
I have only found one review of the company and its computer (it was positive).
Does anyone here know about them, and/or have good ideas of how to figure out if it is a legit company?

#4As stated, I have recently "found NovaCustom's computers on configuelaptop.eu" and ask here, if anyone "know about them, and/or have good ideas of how to figure out if it is a legit company?"
Thanks you the useful info on modem and gpu, but my question is: Is this a trustworthy company?

Anyway, it's just a minor misunderstanding. Thanks for responding anyway.

Magic Banana

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Sorry for my misunderstanding.

GNUbahn
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No worries.

GNUbahn
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By the way, does that mean *any* intel GPU?

These machins have an Intel Xe integrated graphics Video Controller GPU.

Magic Banana

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There indeed used to be support issues with GPUs that were integrated to Intel processors but, as far as I remember, manufactured by Iris rather than Intel. I see that the recent Xe graphics use the brand Iris. I do not know if they raise troubles. Anybody here using Xe or Xe 2 graphics?

prospero
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se unió: 05/20/2022

> Anybody here using Xe or Xe 2 graphics?

"I have a Dell Latitude 5520 with the Intel Iris XE GPU and Super Tux Kart runs beautifully at 1900X1080. I run Trisquel 11 on this device."

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/future-gpus#comment-170489

GNUbahn
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Thanks.

It seems that NovaCustom might be a good supplier for free software friendly computers.
For me it is also an advantage (regarding VAT), that the company is places in Europe and can deliver keyboards with any layout you want.

Magic Banana

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Great. That plus https://blog.josefsson.org/2022/12/10/trisquel-11-on-nv41pz-first-impressions/ not mentioning any graphics issues are good reasons to believe that all reasonably recent Intel GPUs work very well without any proprietary firmware/software.

In fact, I am now pretty sure I wrote bullshit: Iris GPUs have never been a problem. I made a confusion with PowerVR chips that were equipping some Intel processors until 2014. Those were not well supported.

prospero
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There was a recent thread nearby, precisely on that topic, but it is gone now. They were discussing some "Intel Arc" GPU thing, which I thought was some kind of successor of the Iris. But it appears to be something "for serious gamers and professional content creators". Maybe these Arc graphics are going to have some issues with Trisquel.

UPDATE: It appears that the Intel Arc dedicated GPU is probably not going to work with Trisquel: "DG2/Alchemist does need the GuC microcode loaded by the open-source driver." Not sure what Chris from ThinkPenguin meant exactly by "next gen stuff" when he wrote this, almost eight years ago: "It's why Intel has released code for everything in relation to it's in-house designed graphics chips, but not ones that are licensed from a third party (next gen stuff excluded, I'm not sure whats changed in the next-gen stuff that the decided not to release code, but it's likely related to digital restrictions or licensed components)."
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/librem13-fully-free-time#comment-74414

andyprough
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se unió: 02/12/2015

>"In fact, I am now pretty sure I wrote bullshit.... I made a confusion"

I'm going to bookmark this post for eternity. It may come in handy some day.

prospero
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"2. Profanity -- Do not curse or use hard language here. Social norms differ from place to place; hard language can deter people from our community."

But he never learns, and keeps deterring people. Now he has turned against his own past self.

prospero
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se unió: 05/20/2022

> her owner

I also consider computers humans. As such, they all deserve to be free.

GNUbahn
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se unió: 02/18/2016

Edit: the URL is https://configurelaptop.eu/

(I forgot an 'r')

PublicLewdness
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se unió: 03/15/2020

"Not everybody will jump directly from a typical 'modern' laptop to a fully free one"

Considering even old school Libreboot laptops have closed source firmware baked into the hardware I would revise that statement in the future. Next to no systems are fully free. One thing I agree with the FSF on is that freedom is a ladder. You can climb the rungs with trade offs along the way.

As for Nova Custom I haven't dealth with them personally. I have them bookmarked as I like the config options on their store. Having the option for 144hz screens is nice and you can stick with the Intel GPU if you want to use distros like Trisquel.

GNUbahn
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se unió: 02/18/2016

+ they have a privacy option of striping out camera and mic, should someone want that. The engraving options are pretty neat too, though I probably wouldn't use them myself.

The question is if this is a company you can trust?

GNUbahn
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se unió: 02/18/2016

After some further searching, I found this blogpost:

https://blog.josefsson.org/2022/12/10/trisquel-11-on-nv41pz-first-impressions

It's a guy who has actually bought one of the computers from NovaCustom and successfully runs Trisquel 11 on it.

I will probably give this company a try soon.

(They even responded to the blog authors post about wifi and bluetooth not working with fully free softẃare, i.e. Trisquel).

andyprough
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se unió: 02/12/2015

That's a very cool blog, I'm bookmarking it. Glad that he's spending time exploring Trisquel and Guix like that.

GNUbahn
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se unió: 02/18/2016

Indeed.

Did you notice prospero's post: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/simon-josefsson-are-you-here#comment-171053

The author is member of our forum.

andyprough
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se unió: 02/12/2015

Oh really? Well then, we must troll him.

GNUbahn
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se unió: 02/18/2016

Which you are very good at. I am looking forward to see your trolling of him... (unfortunately I am a lousy troller myself but I enjoy good troller's trolling)

andyprough
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@jas is a Gnome user. @prospero will probably have a delightful time trolling him about Gnome. I'm just an amateur next to a trolling giant like @prospero.

GNUbahn
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se unió: 02/18/2016

In the latest news letter from NovaCustom's they wrote: Also, we are testing a blob free WiFi + Bluetooth card. It's quite an old WiFi + Bluetooth card, but might still be good enough for most of us. The WiFi card we are testing is the Qualcomm Atheros ACNFA222. The test phase is still in progress. Thanks to the community for asking for this!

It seems they take freedom and privacy seriously.