Help - Just installed and now appear to have hardly any free space

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Frandroid
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se unió: 09/23/2015

I just installed Trisquel selecting the encryption and logical volume options, and it worked out ok but now when I go to places > computer, it says I only have a total of 20GB free space. I'm not really smart with computers but I know enough to guess this is a partition issue of some sort, so now I was just hoping that others would be able to help guide me to the answer, and hopefully I'll have a new OS with plenty hardrive space and have learned something new by the end of the day.

I went into system settings > disks, there it says I DO have a 320GB hard disk, with the following partitions (under "disk drives")

Filesystem Partition 1 20GB EXT4
Extended Partition Partition 2, 300GB
300GB GB LVM2 PV

So I have 2 questions here

1) How do I get the free space from Extended Partition 2 "onto" Partition 1

2) why is it basically saying I have 620GB (the 2x 300gb partitions) when I don't?

amenex
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se unió: 01/03/2015

First, look in your root (/) folder and see if your home (/home) folder is in there. If it is, it would be better to install Trisquel again, this time choosing the 300GB partition for the /home folder mount point and the 20GB partition for the root (/) mount point. Twenty GB should be plenty for your OS and applications, and any data that you gather later will not fill up the root partition if it's placed (where it belongs !) in the Data partition (/home). I'd label that 300GB partition "Data" so it'll make some sense to you.

Look at your disk with GParted (or install GParted from the Add/Remove Applications menu). Then see whether that second instance of the 300GB partition pops up ...

onpon4
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se unió: 05/30/2012

> First, look in your root (/) folder and see if your home (/home) folder is in there.

Um, I don't know what you were trying to get at here, but the way you're saying it makes it sound like you expect /home to somehow be somewhere else when it's in a different partition. That's not how it works. The path to /home is always /home, regardless of how you set up the partitions.

The only way to tell how your partitions are set up is through something like Disks or GParted.

Frandroid
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se unió: 09/23/2015

Is that the "something else" option that I saw at the bottom when I originally chose encrypted? 20GB to store everything that I will ever need for as long as I have this OS, every video or picture or piece of software really doesn't seem like enough, and I have no idea how I save things to other partitions, so all I wanted was to basically have one giant partition if that makes sense?

Frandroid
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se unió: 09/23/2015

Wait the home folder itself is at inode/directory and has 287GB free space. So I can use all of that space, how do I chose whether to save it to the computer or the "home" partition? And I'm sorry if that sounds really dumb to be asking but I've just not done this before, I was using Windows for decades then Mint since April but didn't encrypt anything or use logical volume management so didn't encounter this issue.

adiabat
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se unió: 10/28/2015

You don't really need to do anything special. Any file whose path starts with /home/ will be saved to the large partition. This includes Home, Desktop, Donwnloads, Pictures, Music, Videos which show up under "Places" in the file browser. Any files outside of the home directory will be saved to the small partition. You need root permissions to create files outside of you Home directory anyway, so you don't need to worry about making mistakes here.

Raiz
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se unió: 11/29/2015

Your whole disk is used by LVM (Logical Volume Manager) and that's what gets encrypted with LUKS, that's why you can't use that space.

Frandroid
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se unió: 09/23/2015

Thanks guys I'm more clear about what's working now, and when I downloaded a few things I saw the /home free space going down rather than the tiny 20gb one. Also I was looking for help on drivers - I WAS going to go for NVIDIA and tried opening a .run file of the one I need (which is a GeForce 210) but now that I found there is a non proprietary one called Noevau or something, I'd like to go for that instead, can anyone help me setting that up?

Frandroid
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se unió: 09/23/2015

Right and now I can't get my VPN to work on here either, and any time I try using something else that will work, it prevents me downloading anything that Trisquel doens't approve of. This basically means for all the talk about "free" and "open source", Trisquel is just a walled garden, you only let me use whitelisted stuff, and have literally disabled any kind of possibility for me to use what I want. I originally looked into Trisquel because I believe in trying to shed a lot of proprietary stuff, but you guys are basically just the same as Apple and Microsoft - You talk a good game, but at the end of the day you want to restrict your users just as much as they do, so no thanks. I'm going to install a different OS, one that DOESNT disable me getting stuff from non-free repositories. Thanks for wasting my day, I honestly thought you guys were different and weren't as bad as the big corps in how much you restricted people.

oysterboy

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se unió: 02/01/2011

You're mistaken (or trolling). Trisquel doesn't prevent you from downloading or installing non-free software. But Trisquel doesn't distribute that non-free software, so you won't find it in the Trisquel repositories. That's the whole point of the distribution :). You're free to get that non-free software from elsewhere, and install it yourself.

Please explain how Trisquel is "prevent[ing] [you] downloading (sic) anything that Trisquel doens't (sic) approve of."

SuperTramp83

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se unió: 10/31/2014

welcome and goodbye troll n. 69!
May I redirect you to a much more appropriate website for you trollistic majesty? -> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

May Cortana lighten your path to the panopticon!

Frandroid
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se unió: 09/23/2015

AND now it turns out that Trisquel will not let me make any ISO image on USB so that I can get rid of this damn OS and go to a FOSS one (a real one) - So now I'm having to use a friends computer to get an iso onto my USB so that I can finally delete Trisquel and get a proper OS where I am free to make changes as I see fit.

Explain to me why disabling me from creating an ISO image, and also disabling my package system from installing Unetbootin which WOULD work, is in any way ethical? You guys are pathetic, Trisquel is basically malware, and I'll be avoiding you and warning anyone I hear talking about you that they better be prepared to kiss control of their PC goodbye if they go ahead. And please delete my account, I can safely say I won't be using these forums again - And I have no doubt you'll want to get rid of this for criticizing your "free" OS.

oysterboy

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se unió: 02/01/2011

I'm sure using the dd command would work absolutely fine and let you put your ISO on USB. Did you ask for help here before jumping to (wrong headed) conclusions?

I believe Unetbooting is non-free, hence not included in Trisquel's repositories. You're free to download source (if it exists) or binary from elsewhere, compile it yourself (if that's possible), and install it. Obviously, Trisquel users will tell you that using non-free software is a bad idea, especially when perfectly free and functional solutions exist.

tomlukeywood
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se unió: 12/05/2014

There is nothing stopping you installing unetbootin on trisquel:
https://unetbootin.github.io/

unetbootin is free software btw its just not included in the trisquel repos as it promotes the installation of proprietary gnu/Linux distros

Frandroid
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se unió: 09/23/2015

I don't know how to compile stuff, and you've blocked me from activating non-iron repositories as I checked for this before posting. Ironic that in my attempt to lower my dependence on walled garden type restrictive software, I downloaded an OS that basically outright prevents me using anything but their own whitelisted stuff

tomlukeywood
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se unió: 12/05/2014

"I downloaded an OS that basically outright prevents me using anything but their own whitelisted stuff"

this is entirely not true you can install any program you want on Trisquel Libre or not
can you give me a program that Trisquel is preventing you from installing?

Trisquel dose not include non-free software in the projects repo's as the people that use Trisquel only want free software on there system as they want to know that all the programs they are installing are free programs

Frandroid
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se unió: 09/23/2015

Non iron should read non free

Frandroid
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se unió: 09/23/2015

Ok so you don't like proprietary, I get that. But actually making trisquel refuse to work with anything proprietary, disabling the ability to use non free repositories, is that ethical or respecting users? It's disrespecting, and will get you a very bad name.

oysterboy

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I have no idea what you're talking about when you write 'disabling the ability to use non free repositories', or 'making trisquel refuse to work with anything proprietary'. Trisquel does not distribute, nor recommend using non-free stuff (obviously), but it sure does not prevent any user from doing what he wants with his own computer.

Frandroid
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se unió: 09/23/2015

And now I can't even get debian installed cos it has some shit about "dchp" and how I need to enter a server IP or something on install. I never got the hang of installing these distro, I was hoping that trisquel would make it easy. Now you've stranded me without ANY OS at all. Thanks once again.

ADFENO
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se unió: 12/31/2012

Sorry for poking my nose around once again (hahaha, I really rarely have
the time to write philosophical topics, but I still find time to be
nosy), and I guess I should stop being so nosy. :D

But, if I recall correctly, weren't you using a VPN? I have NEVER used a
VPN myself, and I DON'T really know how VPNs work, BUT perhaps you
should try disabling the VPN just for a bit.

If my guess is right, the VPN service chosen by you is somehow limiting
your interaction to the Internet. That's not a problem, and MUSTN'T be
interpreted as excuse to stop using the service (although you might have
some other reasons to do so later) because, as far as I have heard, VPN
service providers tend to limit users' interactions with the Internet
for the sake of security (the technical details behind such statement
are NOT known by me).

Frandroid
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se unió: 09/23/2015

Oyster you know exactly what I mean. The trisquel OS does not allow me to use non free repositories. That option is disabled. How much clearer could I be?

oysterboy

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se unió: 02/01/2011

What option? I'm sorry but I'll have to leave that conversation if you're unable to be a bit more specific and give precise examples.

Frandroid
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se unió: 09/23/2015

I have been perfectly clear enough and very specific, but I'll repeat it for the third time and if you continue to deliberately claim you don't understand a very simple remark that's your call.

When using Trisquel I was literally prevented by the OS itself from using ANY repository apart from Trisquel. This is in contradiction to other distros which allow you to add other repos if you want. In Synpatic package manager there should be an option to add a non free repo, there is not, because you won't let anyone use any software that you don't agree with. Which basically backs up what I said about Trisquel (for all its talk about openess) is just as bad as Apple or Windows, the very sort of people I was trying to get away from.

tomlukeywood
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se unió: 12/05/2014

as the root user edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list

and remove all the text inside the file and then add these lines:

deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise main
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise main

deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates main
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates main

Congratulations you just used a different repo!! (although using non-free software defeats the point of using Trisquel)

Frandroid
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se unió: 09/23/2015

And in addition (although this last bit isn't directly your fault), I'm now without an OS having to use an old PC instead. I was never any good with installing distros, and now until I figure out how to get through the myriad of incredibly complex options on setup - including what the hell DCHP means on Debian installation, I'll be without an OS of my own all because I really believed the shit you guys came out with about how you care about stuff being free and open. Don't worry, I'll warn others off making the same mistake so you don't get another thread criticizing it.

quantumgravity
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se unió: 04/22/2013

Don't blame trisquel if you don't get anything done.
You've been told a lot of times:

Trisquel is not preventing you from installing any proprietary software. Period.

You can do that to your hearts content, if you want to. However, trisquel does not maintain a non-free repo. If you want something like that, why not go with ubuntu.

People here were tryin to help you but all you do in return is bitching around and telling random nonsense.

Frandroid
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se unió: 09/23/2015

As I have said, it did prevent me. I'm not asking you to maintain a non free repo, just dont have your OS block me from downloading from one if I chose. I dont want Ubuntu as it's loaded with bloatware and crapware, and the Unity thing just freaks me out with how privacy intrusive it is. I wanted a good distro that was quite secure, well maintained, and put the users and their desires above all.

tomlukeywood
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se unió: 12/05/2014

"I'm not asking you to maintain a non free repo, just dont have your OS block me from downloading from one if I chose"

In Synaptic if you goto Settings -> Repository’s -> Other Software -> Add

you can add your repo of choice or you can use the manual method I showed above

but as said before the hole point of Trisquel is to have a user friendly system that is fully free software so if you want to run proprietary software you may want to use a different distro.

Frandroid
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se unió: 09/23/2015

Ye, I ended up reinstalling Mint, I just don't think I'm cut out to be using Trisquel. I did try adding other repositorys but the list wouldn't show any new available stuff, so at the end of the day I stuck with what I know. Maybe in the future when I'm more experienced I'll come back and try it again, but at this point it honestly did look to me as though I couldn't use anything else other than whitelisted stuff, and until I'm more experienced in knowing how to manually install other things it's a waste of both our time if I stuck to using it.

onpon4
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se unió: 05/30/2012

Ahem...

When I first used Trisquel, I added on proprietary software to it. I won't name the particular program I'm thinking of, but I will say that it was a game. Additionally, my brother had no trouble whatsoever installing a proprietary Web browser onto one of my mom's computers (with her authorization). So, no, Trisquel doesn't prevent you from installing proprietary software.

How would Trisquel even do that, anyway? Short of being designed to refuse to connect to any resource on the Internet without special approval by some authority (which a team of only a couple of people simply doesn't have the time to do)?

amenex
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se unió: 01/03/2015

Getting back to the original point of this thread:

When I installed Trisquel 7 to my external 1TB SSHD I first used Gparted to make three partitions: 30GB (ext4) for the OS, 8GB (linux -swap) for swap, and 864GB (xfs) for Data. Running the Trisquel live DVD, I chose "something else" (i.e., the checkbox at the bottom of the list of choices) and then chose the 30GB partition for mounting the root (/) folder and the 864GB partition for mounting the home (/home) folder.

What I ended up with was as nicely functioning Trisquel installation in which all my data is in the 864GB partition, and all my OS is in the 30GB partition.

When I run the other Trisquel OS that is installed on the 320GB internal HD, I see the data on that external SSHD residing on the 864GB partition and another home (/home) folder listed among the folders on the 30GB partition of the external SSHD. However, that latter home folder is empty, insofar as the internal Trisquel OS is concerned. When I run the external Trisquel OS, this distinction disappears and there is just one home folder. That's how it's s'posed to work.

Back to the current rants: Wine will take care of many proprietary applications, some better than others. If you try an independent way of running proprietary S/W, don't expect Trisquel to support its idiosyncrasies. My installation of Windows 7 (which came with my Lenovo T420 notebook) didn't object when I used Gparted to squeeze it into the corner of my HD, and Trisquel happily resides in the balance of that HD without any interferences, but with the luxury of being able to extract data from the Windows portion of the HD seamlessly and without having to reciprocate ... I don't even try to get data from the Trisquel installation back into Windows when running the Windows OS.

quantumgravity
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se unió: 04/22/2013

Just because you don't know how to use the door handle, it doesn't mean the door is locked.

onpon4
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se unió: 05/30/2012

I'm getting a picture of aliens coming into your house and forcibly stopping you from adding the Ubuntu repositories to Trisquel. Maybe by threatening you with a laser gun?

Frandroid
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se unió: 09/23/2015

But I tried adding them with software manager but it wouldn't let me see aby of the non trisquel approved stuff. That's like locking someone in a room with a combo lock and saying they are free to leave but they need to learn the combination.

davidnotcoulthard (no verificado)
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The point of free software seems to me to be to be allowed to find out the combination (not possible legally with many kinds of software) rather than to show it more up-front than the tasks it can do.....

But I guess it's just me.

onpon4
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se unió: 05/30/2012

I'm sorry, but you're talking nonsense. When you add a repository and then update the package lists, packages from that repository are available. There is no filtering process, no special blacklist of "non trisquel" stuff. Either you don't actually know how to add a repository, or you don't actually know how to install a package, or you are lying. Given your arrogance, I tend to believe the third possibility. But if it's one of the other possibilities, you can't blame Trisquel for your ignorance. Just learn how to do it. It's not even that hard, and usually people distributing additional software provide very specific instructions for it (as in, exact commands to type in).

Frandroid
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se unió: 09/23/2015

Ok sorry, it seems I was wrong and there was a way to add non free repositories. I overreacted. I still don't think trisquel is for me though yet, I wanna be a bit more experienced but I've wanted to get away from MS and Apple and I'm happy with another distro for now, I may reconsider trisquel in the future.

Thanks to the guy who told me how to get the other repositories. Ultimately it's not needed as I just put my old OS back on, but you were willing to help anyway so thanks.