How do you pronounce GNU/Linux?
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Do you say "GNU slash Linux" or do you say something else instead of "slash"? Do you actually pronounce "GNU/Linux"?
The French version of https://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#pronounce recommends saying the English word "slash" which I think is not common in French and that don't use. The only somehow common usage of that character that I can think of in French is to shorten a city name like "X-on-Y" where Y is a river name (the word for "river" is not used) as X/Y on road signs to save space and everyone will pronounce "X on Y". That usage is directly inspired by how fractions are pronounced in French.
I say "GNU". Kernel is a part of the OS, why even mention it?
I guess mentioning the kernel describes the OS more completely and distinguishes a GNU/Linux OS from a GNU/Hurd or GNU/BSD one.
Trisquel use the GNU kernel, or a derivative version of it called GNU Linux-libre, so is not needed mention it since you are using the whole GNU System.
You do not use the whole GNU system. There are many packages in the GNU packages: https://www.gnu.org/software/software.html
Linux-libre is one of them. Nevertheless, although I absolutely do not want to diminish the excellent work of those working on Linux-libre, that work is minor compared to that coming from upstream, the Linux project. As far as I know, Trisquel does not actually takes Linux-libre's kernel. It modifies the kernel sources coming from Ubuntu with similar script that those used by Linux-libre (and the scripts used by both projects, Trisquel and Linux-libre, certainly share code).
GNU has a kernel but it is not the one Trisquel uses. It is GNU Hurd: https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/
> Nevertheless, although I absolutely do not want to diminish the excellent work of those working on Linux-libre, that work is minor compared to that coming from upstream, the Linux project.
Clearly, software freedom is a minor preoccupation for the Linux project and its top contributors: Intel and Red Hat.
https://www.linux.com/news/linux-in-2020-27-8-million-lines-of-code-in-the-kernel-1-3-million-in-systemd
>" Nevertheless, although I absolutely do not want to diminish the excellent work of those working on Linux-libre ..."
... proceeds to diminish the work on Linux-libre ...
>"that work is minor compared to that coming from upstream, the Linux project"
I'd argue that the work done on Linux-libre is harder than the work of most individual kernel contributors, who only look at one or two narrow slices of code. AND that the Linux-libre devs probably know the kernel itself better than the vast majority of kernel contributors. AND that the kernel would be packed full of much larger amounts of non-free software to this day if it hadn't been for the Linux-libre contributors questioning why all that garbage was in there in the first place.
So, no, it's not minor. In fact, compared to the work of all but the upper level kernel maintainers, it's probably significantly harder and more important.
"Nevertheless, although I absolutely do not want to diminish the excellent work of those working on clean water, that work is minor compared to that coming from upstream, the pollution project."
No, upstream for water is those benevolent space aliens that brought the water here from Mars one jar full at a time.
They have large ears. This is a sign of wisdom. Or totalitarianism.
It is not like 30+ million lines of codes in Linux are dropping from the sky. I believe there is a factor above 1,000 between that number and the number of lines of code the Linux-libre project wrote (i.e., I doubt the scripts written by Linux-libre accumulate 30,000 lines of code). I can download the source codes and run sloccount if you wish.
You forgot that water comes in a cycle. Pollution upstream in the cycle destroys the whole resource, which is what makes the clean water project necessary, and hence crucial. Only a deluded troll would call that work "minor". Or someone who does not consider clean water a valuable resource.
I usually say "GNU Linux" or more rarely "GNU plus Linux". Like most people I write it as "GNU/Linux", but actually saying "slash" each time is a little unwieldy.
Another I've heard is "GNU with Linux"
I listen to a lot of Distrotube's videos, and he always says "GNU slash Linux", and so that's helped to train me that way. When I hear someone else say something a few hundred times, it sounds more natural to my ears.
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I've never spoken it aloud.
Saying 'slash' is just too weird.
Unless:
I only use XhguorpydnaerbiL 23. I cannot pronounce it.
Otherwise, I say "GNU" when talking about the OS, and "Linux-libre" when talking about the kernel, as in "Trisquel, a distribution of the GNU operating system, with the kernel Linux-libre." This has the added advantage of attracting your interlocutor's attention to "libre". More often than not, they are going to ask about it.
I used to say "GNU Zappa Linux" but that would inevitably change the subject.
What's so hard about saying Xorp-Idna-Erbal?
It's the final "23" of the current version. I cannot count up to anything higher than 10 without getting dizzy. So I have to use its code name instead: XhguorpydnaerbiL Hastee Hellefant.
The official website now says "XhguorpydnaerbiL-UNG-xuniL-erbiL 23".
Looks good, I have taken to pronouncing the "2" and the "3" as separate numbers, as in XhguorpydnaerbiL-UNG-xuniL-erbiL-2-3."
...or "Xuxe 23".
> "X-on-Y"
"GNU on Linux-libre" does not sound so bad after all. "GNU on Hurd" sounds a bit more...unheard of, though.
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GNU on Linux-libre makes full sense to me, and this is easy to translate to any language.
I have no clue how to pronounce Hurd in my native language but anyway, nearly no one cares about it.
Hurd being part of GNU, GNU using Hurd as a kernel is just a GNU operating system, mentioning Hurd is useless anyway.
https://vid.puffyan.us/lE4UXdJSJM4?t=41
Now seriously, "gnu-linux"
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I find this really interesting.
My native language is german and if we write "a slice of bread with cheese/ham" we mean "a slice of bread with cheese or ham" but pronounce "a slice of bread with cheese, ham"
So now I try to say "GNU with Linux".
When I want to be specific: "GNU forward slash Linux"
I do my best impersonation of RMS and say "GNU plus Lin-ox".
I say: /gny linyks/ in french and /gnu linʌks/ in English, I rarely use the word “et” in french or “and” in English and never the word “slash” or (I don't even know how this is called in french, I only know the English word).
“It's the final "23" of the current version. I cannot count up to anything higher than 10 without getting dizzy.”
Speaking about Slash, I assume this is this Dizzy (with a capital “D”).
By the way, libredrs should wonder about the size of Slash's Marshall's wall.
Oh, I forgot about the debate about should we say Linux or not, and (in my humble opinion) yes we should, Magic Banana's argument is enough, but I add that without Linux, there would be no Linux-Libre, so, it worth mentioning it and the fact that Linux-Libre is part of GNU is just a question of circumstances, what counts in that matter is that Linux is not part of GNU.
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