The next DE for trisquel
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I am curious as to what the next DE for trisquel would be come Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. Assuming that it uses the latest GNOME, Fallback won't be an option. So what would you use instead? Are you going to replace gnome with Xfce, MATE, or Consort? Maybe it's too early to ask this... but since I bet you want to avoid llvmpipe...
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I vote for GNOME 3 Shell, with software rendering for users who don't have a free-software compatible GPU.
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My vote goes to KDE.
Nice interface, and a general amount of KDE apps have a very nice push on Freedom ;)
(Example: Calligra words can accept .doc files, but can only save in Free formats ;P)
I do not understand.
Are they going to drop support for the fallback?
They already did. As of GNOME 3.8, Fallback has been removed and replaced with "GNOME Classic", which uses GNOME Shell + certain extensions and a different theme.
The GNOME project dropped the support of the fallback desktop... but now proposes a "Classic" option. It is GNOME 3 + extensions that make it look and behave like GNOME 2 (clasic menu, icons on the desktop, etc.). I believe it would be the choice of continuation for the Trisquel project.
I personally use the GNOME Shell interface and my vote would go to it (with software rendering for video cards without 3D acceleration support in Linux-libre).
The reason I didn't mention KDE was because I thought you wanted to stick with gtk programs. I don't recommend Gnome Shell or Cinnamon because of llvmpipe and it's inherent slowness.
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Meh.. At the risk of sounding vaguely conservative.. Screw Gnome Shell. Screw it hard, along with the bloated batshit biscuit it rode in on. ..Please pardon my french, nonsense always brings out the asshole in me. X)
That is to say, would vote for MATE. =x Least it's functional.
I think GNOME Shell would be a good choice. It's reliable, easy to use, and fast. People who are still resistant to the changes and aren't satisfied with Classic mode or some other combination of extensions can install KDE, MATE, Xfce, Cinnamon, or whatever their choice of DE is themselves, and people who don't get good performance (maybe they have a Pentium 4 still, like my mom does) can use Trisquel Mini.
I'm also paying attention to LXDE's migration to Qt after they joined forces with the Razor-Qt team:
KDE for sure, because they do it right. Did KDE follow Gnome and toss the desktop in place of a touch interface (just like Win8) Nope! They kept the desktop interface, added a netbook interface, added a media center interface and also added a touch interface, or are working on one. No matter what hardware you run, KDE has an interface for it, with all interfaces on the same code base. And KDE runs whether you have a capable graphics card or not. Here's what I want to see:
Trisquel Desktop
Trisquel Netbook
Trisquel Media Center
Trisquel Tablet
KDE gives you all of the above.
Seriously, KDE netbook interface, on an ancient Acer Aspire netbook FLIES, even with the old Intel GPUs.
> Trisquel Desktop
> Trisquel Netbook
> Trisquel Media Center
> Trisquel Tablet
Except for the Media Center interface, GNOME has all that covered, too. The big difference is with GNOME, they're all the same interface. GNOME Shell works great on a PC or tablet, on big screens or small screens.
I disagree: GNOME Shell is a good interface for desktop/laptop computers. I actually use the keyboard more now, with GNOME Shell, than I used to with GNOME 2. You press the Windows key and some letters of an application or a recent file or a favorite folder or ... to get to it. For an application, the default behavior is to switch to it if it has already been opened, not to run a new instance. Alternatively, Alt+Tab still works to navigate between the opened applications and GNOME Shell added Alt+[key above Tab] to navigate between the windows of the current application (say, several windows of Abrowser are opened). First that confuses, but once you got the habit, you save time.
I found a second fork of Gnome Fallback called Gnome Flashback.
https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeFlashback
I think it might be better supported than Consort, but IDK and YMMV
Maybe borrowing some of the stuff used by Elementary OS. It looks great.
I second that. It's gorgeous.
But it needs 3D acceleration. The best option is Consort or XFCE. Or forget all discussion about graphics and use it. If the person have the computer without 3D install Trisquel Mini with LXDE or another version with XFCE.
LLVM (software render) is not option. Try this in a computer with only one core (Pentium, Celeron, Atom). It's horrible.
Hmm... Xfce4, MATE, Gnome Shell, Cinnamon, [sarcasmmode]Unity[/sarcasmmode], Consort, Gnome Flashback, KDE, and now Pantheon. You have a lot of choices. But only one will become the main shell for Trisquel.
I wonder who wins...
On 25/08/13 07:18, danfun360 wrote:
> I am curious as to what the next DE for trisquel would be come
> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. Assuming that it uses the latest GNOME, Fallback
> won't be an option. So what would you use instead? Are you going to
> replace gnome with Xfce, MATE, or Consort? Maybe it's too early to
> ask this... but since I bet you want to avoid llvmpipe...
GNOME was selected by Ruben for accessibility reasons, and apparently at
the time of testing GNOME was superior to the others.
I tried GNOME 3.8 in a Freed-ora VM without 3D acceleration and it's a
little slow.
My understanding is that GNOME Fallback (I'm not talking about
Flashback) IS still being maintained, after the announcement that it
wasn't (maintainers got changed). But I'm not really happy with the
current Fallback mode as it is buggy. I plan to test Fallback mode when
GNOME 3.10 is released to see if any of the reported Trisquel bugs have
been fixed.
Apparently the next version of MATE will support GTK+v3 and will start
depending on some GNOME components rather than maintaining so much
themselves. I would assume that MATE will inherit the accessibility
features of GNOME 2. If MATE is packaged in Ubuntu 14.04, it seems like
a good candidate.
Don't know much about Consort. I wonder if it will be packaged in future
versions of Ubuntu?
Andrew.
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GNOME Shell is accessible, using Orca screen reader, in distros other than Trisquel. When I try GNOME Shell in Trisquel 6, Orca cannot read the top bar, dash, overview, or message areas; apps are still accessible. I have tried the shell in Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, Sabayon, and Open Suse. As of 3.8, it's all accessible, though it's very slow on this hardware. In LXDE and XFCE, as packaged in Trisquel 6, the file managers are partially accessible, and the panels are not. The menus and configuration tools for both seem to be accessible. The pcmanfm file manager is more accessible than thunar; when pcmanfm is set to 'detailed list view', orca can read it.
Consort is great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-Gx971I_9w
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Is Consort available for installation to Trisquel 6? I couldn't do anything with it in a Solusos alpha.
Probably yes.
I saw this tutorial for Ubuntu 12.04: https://top-hat-sec.com/forum/index.php?topic=2938.0
Gnome Shell is horrible and if its installed by default, it will be the first thing I purge. Unity isn't bad, but many here hate it.
Traditional desktop look and feel is Mate with Cinnamon giving a more modern approach. I'm interested in seeing how the classic desktop in Gnome 3.8 turns out for Ubuntu 14.04/Trisquel 7 before giving it final judgement.
I vote for Linux Deepin interface. Its very nice and can be added Linux Deepin Software Center , Deepin Screenshoot, Deepin Video Player, Deepin Music Player. In fact I suggest you to base Trisquel to Linux Deepin.
Look here a presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPh0nXVFU3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNGo4tPzGjU
Regardless if you hate Unity because of it's interface or llvmpipe, there is one reason that it should be avoided. Spyware. Need I say more?
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Unity itself is not spyware, save the fud.
..Of course, it is bloated, messy and utterly inferior to a more traditional desktop metaphor.
It can't be that difficult to remove that feature. The main reason not to use Unity is if you think it's a crappy interface. In all honesty, I think it would be decent if you could open the menu with the Super key (I don't know if you can now, but you couldn't with the version I last tried IIRC).
My choices:
1: Enlightenment
2: KDE 4
3: Xfce
4: Gnome 3
XFCE4 is the most sane alternative. I think the problems with Orca are already fixed on the 4.12 version.
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