pc mainboard low priced which one do you suggest?
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My pc mainboard stopped working. Likely the power supply too. It was an amd athlon ii x2 250. What mainboard and cpu should I buy, if I want highest level of free software and similar performance? I cannot get a mainboard without uefi etc? Can you get mainboards that are not new but unused? Build in graphic card? Required power supply not more than 500w. Thanks.
if you want a desktop your best bet freedom(and performance) wise is a ASUS KGPE-D16 (max of 256GB RAM!) or a ASUS KFSN4-DRE (max of 64GB of RAM)
as you can run them with a free BIOS using Libreboot
you can find them on Libreboots compatibility page here:
http://libreboot.org/docs/hcl/index.html#supported_list
what are you wanting this pc for?
as the CPU, amount of RAM etc will depend on what you need it for?
Thank you. Can't I ask about ordinary mainboards, that are known to enable a higher level of free software? Those listed are libreboot but apart from that, nothing I want. There are a lot of parameters. Price, performance, free software, libreboot, coreboot, eufi, intel, amd. I had this mainboard http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/M3A785GMH128M/index.asp?cat= with a 2 core cpu. I want something comparable.
currently those are the only Desktop motherboard Libreboot supports
"There are a lot of parameters. Price, performance, free software, libreboot, coreboot, eufi, intel, amd."
Price:
the Desktop motherboards i listed are quite expensive
(cost me about £100 second hand including postage from the US to the UK) and after that you need to find cpu, RAM, case etc
so a cheaper option may be just to use a Libreboot compatible laptop like the ThinkPad X60 or Chromebook c201 and then connect them to a monitor to get a full screen.
the Thinkpad X60 also has a dock you can use to get more USB ports, more HardDrives and a DVD drive
you can also buy higher power libreboot laptops from
MiniFree
Performance:
you should have no problems with performance on those Desktop machines but those laptops i recommended are quite low power you can get higher power ones Here
intel, amd:
you don’t have to chose between intel or amd the Chromebook c201 uses ARM
if you tell me specificly what you would be using it for? (internet browsing, gaming, video editing etc etc)
i could recommend a specific model of computer
I want a mainboard with a cpu. An ordinary mainboard that rather runs on much than less free software. Think penguin's pc is not all free software, but likely more free software than most computers. Can you get mainboards with no uefi and tpm?
"Can you get mainboards with no uefi and tpm?"
i think most of the AMD motherboards do not use TPM's (Correct me if i am wrong)
as for uefi i don’t think you can find a modern x86 computer without a uefi BIOS
unless you can install libreboot on it
Any PC sold since 2012 uses and supports UEFI, but you can still boot in BIOS mode (that is, you can install your OS either in UEFI mode, which is the recommended way to do it, or in legacy BIOS mode).
I am a translator!
I have no idea about UEFI. You say UEFI is the recommended way. What is the difference between installing in UEFI and BIOS mode? And why the former is the recommended one?
UEFI is a specification originally made by intel
which has been implemented on some machines to do some bad things like preventing booting other operating systems:
(thats what i got from Wikipedia anyway)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface
Installing in UEFI mode will bring you a few benefits:
- Potentially faster boot times
- Dual-booting might be easier
- Not relying on a legacy stack that might go away some day
- It's not that hard to install in UEFI mode on modern distributions, even Trisquel supports it, if I recall correctly.
You can disable UEFI, using only EFI.
Sorry for interfering but we must also note UEFI can either be good or
evil, depending on how it's implemented. Good UEFI implementations
deserve to be called Secure Boot, evil UEFI implementations are called
Restricted Boot.
BIBLIOGRAPHY
[1] https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot
[2] Other references from [1].
[3]
https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/whitepaper-web
[5]
http://hemingway.softwarelivre.org/fisl16/high/40t/sala_40t-high-201507101505.ogv
is uefi a non-free BIOS program or just a standard??
so could libreboot implement a uefi BIOS???
UEFI is a standard. In theory, you can implement a fully free/libre UEFI. In practice, I don't know of anyone running a free/libre UEFI on their system (due to hardware support probably).
Short of Libreboot, but anyway........
http://www.coreboot.org/Board:gigabyte/ga-b75m-d3h
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg1MTM
(OK, that's short of already-available Libreboot options, but if you want a non-server Mobo, or an Intel iGPU, or a Mini-ITX case.....would be a better bet than pretty much anything else out there
Or not??).
david, when you write 'short of libreboot', you mean because libreboot not available?
To me it looks like a relevant mainboard. Which cpu if I want integrated graphic card and the lowest priced duo core?
Not for it is Libreboot available, yeah (well....that's some terrible grammar on my part).
And I forgot to note that Coreboot still needs to be flashed onto the mobo after buying if you don't mind that. Instructions seem to be here on http://www.coreboot.org/Board:gigabyte/ga-b75m-d3h
The socket on it is compatible with https://www.cpubenchmark.net/socketType.html
(The lowest priced duo core (eith iGPU) I think would basically be every non-ridiculously-expensive ones, including the lowest priced (i.e. Celeron), full stop. Do you really not need anything above that though?)
I had an amd athlon x2 cpu on the mainboard. It was fast enough for one virtualbox system. It seems there are not many vendors of the gigabyte mainboard in europe.
Elsewhere I got the advice to get an amd mainboard and mount a nvidia graphics card. Agree? Which graphics card?
"AMVIDIA" combinations don't go well in my combination, you will probably profit more from an Intel + NVIDIA system. It's not like AMD processors are much of a competition to Intel these days, anyway...
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