quitter.no - a new GNUsocial site

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Abjectio

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Hi all,

Just want to inform you about a new GNUsocial site available for public.
It's added a twitter "like" interface.

Available at : https://quitter.no - https://quitter.es

Enjoy!

Abjectio

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se unió: 08/21/2014

the .es link was wrong it is - http://quitter.es

Abjectio

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Ohhh btw - the site is of course running GNU/Linux (Free as in freedom software) only .....- if you where curious. Have a great week !

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On 10.09.2014 19:59, name at domain wrote:
> Just want to inform you about a new GNUsocial site available for public.
> It's added a twitter "like" interface.

I'm not a Twitter user, but I like the user interface. Is this GNU
Social website a free software compliant with its GNU AGPL license? I
would like to request the source code.

Congrats!

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Abjectio

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Sure it's standard GNUsocial - https://gitorious.org/social
with a plugin named Qvitter. - https://github.com/hannesmannerheim/qvitter

AGPL all the way.

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On 10.09.2014 20:27, name at domain wrote:
> Sure it's standard GNUsocial - https://gitorious.org/social
> with a plugin named Qvitter. - https://github.com/hannesmannerheim/qvitter

If you know the developer, please try to explain to him/her that GitHub
shouldn't be used, because it's SaaS and runs nonfree JS. GitHub is like
Twitter to GNU Social.

Gitorious.org without the Google Analytics code or own instance of
Gitorious or GitLab Community Edition respects users freedom.

> AGPL all the way.

Nice! Thanks a lot!

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quantumgravity
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I highly doubt that GitHub is SaaS - or, how stallman know refers to the problem, SaaSS (Service as a software substitute).
You can't do GitHub's job (basically hosting code) using your own _computer_ with an appropriate piece of free software.
Of course you can replace github by setting up an own _server_ which does the same thing as github, but this holds for almost every website and is not covered by the term SaaSS.

See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html

"The original idea of web servers wasn't to do computing for you, it was to publish information for you to access. Even today this is what most web sites do, and it doesn't pose the SaaSS problem, because accessing someone's published information isn't doing your own computing. Neither is publishing your own materials via a blog site or a microblogging service such as Twitter or StatusNet. (These services may have other problems, of course.) The same goes for other communication not meant to be private, such as chat groups."

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On 11.09.2014 21:12, name at domain wrote:
> I highly doubt that GitHub is SaaS - or, how stallman know refers to the
> problem, SaaSS (Service as a software substitute).
> You can't do GitHub's job (basically hosting code) using your own
> _computer_ with an appropriate piece of free software.
> Of course you can replace github by setting up an own _server_ which
> does the same thing as github, but this holds for almost every website
> and is not covered by the term SaaSS.

I believe you are right, GitHub is not SaaSS, while it could be still
considered SaaS as communication service -- this being the reason why
FSF now uses SaaSS instead of SaaS to refer to the issue of not having
control over your computing because it's done on a server.

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.en.html
(SaaSS and SaaS)

http://www.readysaasgo.com/github/

However I disagree that a service such as GitHub is not mistreating
users (besides forcing users to run nonfree JS code on client side) if
it doesn't misuses user data and it doesn't do surveillance (let's
assume GitHub doesn't), as this article signed by RMS explains:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/network-services-arent-free-or-nonfree.en.html

I feel the main problem with services which don't distribute the
software used to run the service like GitHub (so it can't have a license
applied to it to be considered nonfree and boycotted) is *dependency*.

With the "fork me *on GitHub*" motto, GitHub defeats the decentralized
nature of git on which is based, in order to gain more and more users to
have power over them, over the community.

This dependency is building the monopoly that cannot be safeguarded by
hosting your own GitHub in freedom. This of course, opens the way for
censorship of free software repositories (DCMA takedowns).

https://github.com/github/dmca

Also, if GitHub doesn't work or even closes up, you can't access or even
lose your community comments, code review, bug reports, everything but
the code which is safeguarded by the free decentralized version system
git, on which GitHub is based.

Even worse, if you come to understand the issues with GitHub, and you
decide to move to your own git hosting provided by a free software, you
risk of losing a big part of the community of testers and occasional
developers of your project. Because they want to continue to stay on
GitHub and don't follow up your project on another server with a
different software, with a different interface.

Fortunately, GitLab Community Edition is free software and follows up
closely the features in GitHub, so users can more easily break free from
the dependency of GitLab.

Since we are talking about GNU Social, a free software for communication
service, StatusNet developers made efforts to educate users to run their
own server, not sign up all on Identi.ca. Even though it was free
software and decentralized, common (uneducated) users still think in a
centralized fashion and sign up to the biggest service out there. With
pump.io now running at identi.ca, the developers are encouraging people
to open public services and register them so users can be redirected to
a diversity of servers, while at identi.ca they closed the registration.
Everybody can break from none server and set up their own server without
losing data and community. They are still in the same network, even if
on a different server.

Services like GitHub and Twitter should at least release the software as
free software. If not build decentralization protocols for
interoperability of different instances. Other members of the free
software community can build the protocols and propose those as standards.

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onpon4
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GitHub is a really weird case. Finally being familiar with Git after using it for a couple years, I think I can now safely say that absolutely none of the features the GitHub front-end presents to you are not doable using standard Git commands, except for features completely unrelated to Git (bug tracking, wiki, etc). For example, "forks" in GitHub are really just diverging repositories (creating a new repository, then merging the repository being forked with the new repository), and "pulls" are really just cross-repository merges (easily done by having multiple remotes). The problem is Git has such an incredibly steep learning curve, and GitHub makes them more accessible to people who don't know the Git commands, but only within GitHub.

The solution to this could be as simple as educating novice Git users on how to do these things without GitHub's help. That would relieve most pressure people might have to use GitHub in lieu of other Git hosts.

Legimet
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se unió: 12/10/2013

That's true. By the way git has a command called request-pull. Github uses its own implementation, but that can be avoided.

Abjectio

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se unió: 08/21/2014

Thanks for the comment(s).
He (the developer) is notified.

Abjectio

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FYI: - as a user you can disable the "twitter" like interface to get a standard GNUsocial interface / user experience.

Abjectio

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If anybody wan't to - they can replace the link on the right (this site) - Microblog - with this group.

https://quitter.no/group/trisquel

quantumgravity
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se unió: 04/22/2013

by the way, isn't the name of the website a little bit weird?