Trisquel Planet Idea
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Hello, greetings for everybody! I am a new member here so thank you for all kindness in this forum especially for Ruben our project leader. I am Trisquel user, I blog it, I teach it, and I love it. In order to educate Trisquel to wider audience worldwide from this community, I think we already have in 2 ways good things:
TLDR: what do you think if Trisquel makes a planet?
First, we have good examples from GNU, Debian, KDE, GNOME, Ubuntu:
1. https://planet.gnu.org
2. https://planet.debian.org
3. https://planet.kde.org
4. https://planet.debian.org
5. https://planet.ubuntu.com
Second, I believe many of us have blogs that talk about Trisquel. For example, jxself https://jxself.org/rss20.xml, Strypey https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey, Magic Banana dcc.ufmg.br/~lcerf, and Adfeno https://ecodigital.social/@adfeno. I do not know programming, but I write about Trisquel at UbuntuBuzz.
My idea is, I think it is good if Trisquel has Trisquel Planet something like http://planet.trisquel.info that aggregates blogs talking about Trisquel. There 3 reasons at least:
- to refresh Trisquel front page everyday so it looks more lively
- to centralize info about Trisquel in one place
- to expose Trisquel to wider audience (people can see many more, diverse info updates about Trisquel)
My observation is, other Fully Free Distros didn't have planets as well & we see that their users / developers number is not great. gNewSense is still recovering, GuixSD is still very young, Parabola or Hyperbola is not that popular, PureOS despite gaining popularity does not seem to have good publication, while I cannot say anything for Dragora and Ututo. Please correct me. With a planet, not only we can gain 3 benefits above, but we also encourage developers & users to write more about Trisquel.
What do you think?
I believe I am not the first person to encounter this idea as many of you here might have better ones. Of course this is not easy, it needs money and more works but I don't have money and I know nothing about server or web things. If Trisquel decided to make one, I wish I could participate. Thank you. Please forgive my English and this long post.
Regards,
Ade Malsasa Akbar
I personally like the idea. But the problem is always the same: implementing it is not worth delaying more urgent matter, such as releasing Trisquel 9. Do you propose yourself to implement the idea?
(I do not blog; dcc.ufmg.br/~lcerf lists my research articles, code, etc.)
Sorry for my late reply. Thank you all for you opinions, insights, and
criticism.
On 12/18/19, name at domain <name at domain> wrote:
> I personally like the idea. But the problem is always the same:
> implementing
> it is not worth delaying more urgent matter, such as releasing Trisquel 9.
I understand.
> Do you propose yourself to implement the idea?
As I said, I have no server / sysadmin knowledge, but I have my
personal aggregator http://buaya.cloudaccess.host that fetches news
from multiple sources, including the FSF and GNU news, Debian, PureOS,
etc. I did that just by RSS Feeds. What is your opinion? And how to
turn a mailing list into RSS Feed? (so I can easily subscribe messages
into my aggregator).
> (I do not blog; dcc.ufmg.br/~lcerf lists my research articles, code, etc.)
Yes, I am aware about this and I like you posts. What I meant was
everything information on the net that can be subscribed (relayed) in
an aggregator website. So I said yours was "blog".
Really thank you lcerf for your reply in particular and your
dedication here in general. Sorry I am following Trisquel Forum using
email.
There is an RSS feeds for Trisquel's blog: https://trisquel.info/node/feed
And for Trisquel's forums too. For instance https://trisquel.info/forum/trisquel-users/feed for the English-speaking forum.
Don't we have any other worries?
from
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/why-does-trisquel-take-much-time-release-new-version
It is reminded that new versions are very long in coming.
I agree with that criticism.
But there are (for me) more important things than a new major version of the system:
It is unacceptable that updates, especially of important programs like LibreOffice, take endless time and that you can only get the latest versions "by crooked means".
Basically I see it as a mistake to take a major system like Ubuntu here and make a free version out of it. By this (bad) "strategy" one has (always) problems:
1. You always have to react to new versions and cannot go through your own development cycles -> the users get annoyed, which is why no new version comes when the "template system" appears in a new version.
2. You have to start over and over again by scanning the template system to see if non-free software has "crept in" somewhere if you only want to offer real free software yourself. Thus you do the full work of building a free system every time and cannot build on existing (own) changes.
3. Stress, which at least in parts could be avoided, causes unnecessary wear and tear and the system is constantly threatened with death due to overloading the developers -> and new developers are difficult to recruit -> the system always remains in the niche and remains meaningless.
I think Trisquel is great - without a lot of frippery and well focused on "productivity" - but I won't be on Trisquel much longer if it doesn't show a clear improvement.
What use is free software to me if I don't get updates for the important main programs?
Many greetings
detlef
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Detlef:
> What use is free software to me if I don't get updates for the important main programs?
I hear you, and this is a complaint I've made as well. One solution is for Trisquel users to upskill ourselves on how to do backporting of newer versions so we can help, as discussed in the comment thread starting here:
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/jami-version-trisquel-8-repos-still-called-ring#comment-144251
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@strypey:
[I ask for your understanding for a perhaps bad English - this is a machine translation from German]
There are several arguments against it:
1. Only very few users are capable of intervening in the system themselves. And only a few want that. The "normal user" wants to use the system ONLY, nothing else.
2. Whoever publishes a program or a system is also responsible for its topicality. Even if I want to update my programs (manually and on my own responsibility), I cannot do that at all, because current versions are not offered by the system publisher at all. I have to go "crooked ways" to use the current versions.
3. It is a very weak and above all bad reason, the "mother system" is outdated and therefore my system cannot be up to date. Then why should I use this "child system"? Then I can use any other system -> then the system was already dead at startup and it is pointless to use it.
4. The internet and thousands of books and thousands of seminars are full of reminders to bring in updates because they are important for security. To stick to my example: LibreOffice is now not only updated for its beauty, but also includes bugfixes and security improvements. Here, too, it is a false argument that it would not always be security improvements and therefore updates would be unimportant -> a dangerous policy that causes serious damage to one's own system.
All in all:
No wonder that Trisquel (or other good systems) do not come out of the niche and do not grow old overall when argued like this. . .
It looks like you want a rolling-release distribution such as Parabola GNU/Linux or, if you are more adventurous, GuixSD. Trisquel is stable. I doubt that will ever change. Especially with Parabola and GuixSD being FSF-recommended distributions filling the rolling-release niche.
No - wrong thinking.
I really like Trisquel. But I am annoyed that updates of important programs (like Libreoffice) are not available - you only have to add package sources.
It is not that there are no current Linx versions of the programs - they are only made unavailable by Trisquel. If you don't search yourself, you won't get security updates or only very late.
That's what I'm criticizing.
The actual system doesn't have to be new all the time.
I like to live with "Never touch a running System!" - I grew up with it.
> I really like Trisquel. But I am annoyed that updates of important
> programs (like Libreoffice) are not available - you only have to add
> package sources. It is not that there are no current Linx versions of
> the programs - they are only made unavailable by Trisquel. If you
> don't search yourself, you won't get security updates or only very
> late. That's what I'm criticizing.
While I also wish that Trisquel development moved more quickly, you seem
to have a common misconception about LTS distributions. Whereas with
proprietary software, the only way to get security updates is usually
to use the latest version for the developer (which might introduce
unwanted changes or new bugs and/or vulnerabilities), with free
software, distro maintainers can backport security patches and other
fixes to older versions of the software. This allows for the distro to
remain stable while still receiving bug and security fixes.
Trisquel 8 is based on Ubuntu 16.04, xenial. As you can see from the
changelog,[1] the xenial version of Libreoffice *does* receive frequent
updates patching security vulnerabilities, so you do not need to upgrade
to a newer version of Libreoffice to get these security fixes. In fact,
upgrading to a newer version comes with the risk of introducing new
security vulnerabilities that haven't been caught and fixed yet in the
newer version. If you require some new feature of Libreoffice then
that's a good reason to go out-of-repo, but if you are only concerned
with security then you should use the stable package provided by the
repo.
thanks for the clarification.
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