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Hi,
Which web browser do you use and why?
What is the difference between Icecat and Abrowser?
I noticed sometimes they do not show the same things when visiting a site.
Thank you.
By default, IceCat includes the GNU LibreJS extension, which blocks proprietary JavaScript. That is the main difference with Abrowser (apart from the fact that Abrowser follows Firefox's releases, whereas IceCat follows Firefox ESR's releases) and probably why they differently render the pages you visited.
I use ABrowser on Trisquel, and when I have to, I use Firefox on other platforms. Not because it's perfect, but because it's not as bad as any of the alternatives available for Windows, MacOS, Android etc. I have also tried Dooble on Windows and MacOS, but it's a hobby project and a bit rough around the edges. Not sure how to install it on Trisquel 7.
I have used also Midori in the past, but only because it was the default browser of some DE or other I was testing. It's appalling for anything other than browsing plain HTML/CSS pages from the 1990s. Also, I believe it's been discontinued.
May I recommend Iridium for Windows/MacOS?
And Privacy Browser for Android
I now use QupZilla and previously Iceweasel, ABrowser, IceCat, Epiphany, Midori etc, in Parabola a dep from Epiphany (GNOME web) and Midori is violated against your-privacy, that's also a dep from WebKitGTK. And I'm quite sure Midori is dead.
Icecat is my favourite browser. The LibreJS extension is basically a very good thing, but makes many sites not really usable (my personal experience).
If Dillo would offer proper support for HTTPS, it might be an alternative (at least for things such as plain text reading).
I also would be happy to hear about a libre-compatible fork of Chromium.
Thanks, sounds interesting.
What is your experience with HTTPS connections in Netsurf? If I remember correctly, Midori often failed in establishing secure connections, even on sites that offered HTTPS.
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traxter: yw. As far as https goes, I observed no issues whatsoever. Try it and see.
That looks interesting but my lack of knowledge leaves me uncertain about how netsurf handles ads, tracking, fingerprinting etc?
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>ads, tracking, fingerprinting etc?
Uncheck 'enable javascript'. Problem solved (mostly) :P
SuperTramp83 Said: raxter -> try netsurf
Traitor you betrayed Firefox!!!!
ill rather stick to my new Firefox Quantum
59.0.1 64bit
latest Firefox Release
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>Traitor you betrayed Firefox!!!!
But..I..still..still use it? ^^
> 59.0.1 64bit
It's 59.0.2
Time to update, mate :)
Tried NetSurf on Belenos. Like Midori, it's a cute toy, but not suitable for production use, at least on a 14.04 based system:
- when a malformed URL is entered in the address bar, it goes back to whatever URL was last successfully browsed, leaving the user none the wiser as to what went wrong, and forced to take a guess
- keyboard shortcuts for resizing don't work
- randomly crashes in the middle of tasks
Uninstalling.
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>randomly crashes in the middle of tasks
Never crashed here
Try QupZilla 1.x that's Qt written and small.
If you're using GNOME shell just stick to Epiphany, small and simple too, but you will need to manually clear histories that Epiphany doesn't have this option to do this for you.
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Seamonkey/Iceape (version 2.48 as newer versions are less stable) as it supports most Mozilla add-ons and Greasemonkey extensions and it is also very fast (and it also inverts colors much better than Firefox based browsers).
CalmStorm said: wonder why their website hasn't died yet.
Answer is: someone still receiving capital funds to cover the operation of those life support machines.
No death certificate yet, for it to be completed just pull out the ELECTRICAL cord from the wall or just turn it off. Then you will have a digital funeral for Midori.
LOL
Has anyone looked at Dooble?
https://textbrowser.github.io/dooble/
Its development seems to be very active.
The license is BSD-3, which I read on Wikipedia is workable with FSF;
"The Free Software Foundation, which refers to the license as the "Modified BSD License", states that it is compatible with the GNU GPL. The FSF encourages users to be specific when referring to the license by name (i.e. not simply referring to it as "a BSD license" or "BSD-style") to avoid confusion with the original BSD license"
I see source is available and it's in the flidas repository. Maybe I'll try netsurf too. I tried it on an old laptop with openBSD which really had a hard time surfing no matter what browser I tried using. The laptop crashed a lot when ever I tried Midori, netsurf, firefox etc.
As I said in my first comment, I have tried it on other people's Windows/ MacOS systems. Although I see now it is available for Belenos using Add/ Remove Programs, the reference to SF makes me thing this is a long out-of-date version (dev moved to GH with version 1.0 I believe). I like that it uses the P2P Yacy project as the default search engine, rather than a corporate run one. Looking forward to trying Dooble 2 when I get Flidas installed.
"I tried it on an old laptop with openBSD which really had a hard time surfing no matter what browser I tried using."
This sounds like the problems I was having with Belenos on my AA1, before I put in the SSD and doubled the RAM to 2GB. If you are still trying to get that old laptop into a usable state I recommend any or all of the following:
- have JS disabled by default, and only turn it on when you really need it
- use a more lightweight desktop environment
- replace the internal drive with an SSD
- upgrade the RAM
Out-of-control JS, combined with multi-tab browsing habits, is one of the main things that crash browsers, and sometimes freeze your desktop session completely. Ideally, use a tool like NoScript that lets you choose exactly which bits of JS on the page are allowed to run (eg the pages own JS but not goOgle Anal-ticks, or other third-party trackers).
When it comes to hardware upgrade, it may seem counter-intuitive but increasing the RAM doesn't make nearly as much difference as the SSD. It doesn't hurt though, and the older your hardware is, the more likely it is you can buy the RAM you need cheap (eg 2nd-hand) or even find a geek hoarder who has some in their shed that they don't need (worked for me ;).
Dooble is great but unfortunately not yet ported to Parabola. Just like QupZilla it's Qt written and small.
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