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Masaru Suzuqi
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It makes sense philosophically (east philosophy) if I think that it is not that an object moves in space. It is that there is something matter which fills space/the universe then that something matter changes its form in accordance with an quality of an object such as our bodies. So the universe has everything.
It is not that we are moving in space, space makes our bodies with the matter. So space is perfectly fixed. After a few seconds, the matter where I was will be expressing a tree or a car or a bird or something. The earth goes around the sun at tremendous speed.
I have sent email to a person who is maybe a scientist to ask if this my thought was already proved as a wrong idea scientifically. He said that my idea seems to be similar to quantum field theory.
Are you familier with the theory? If so, please let me listen to your opinion.
It makes sense philosofically means the feeling that, if I think so, all of things seem to make sense, reasonably. Reincarnation is one of the things. Some evil bugs seem to be almost full of thanatos. They desire to be killed by us at the end. Their habit seems to be very similar to some kind of people. They will become those bugs or viruses or something. Becoming viruses is maybe the worst. They do self-reproduction. That would mean they purely love only themselves. Besides they are parasitic. I really am reluctant to even write about them. Creepy. The majority organism on the earth must be bugs. That would mean raising is difficult and lapsing is easy, like the apple. We might be really lucky being able to be human beings. Maybe e.g. some birds are very happier than most human beings, though. They would have the sense of reality, instead of your Bentley or something.
I think that arrogance is almost unavoidable for so-called the highest-class.
They might become like the evil bugs because of mainly that arrogance. They really look very alike, aren't they? Eating crap is flies's habit. The hell must be there. Living as them with almost or perfect pure rage. Basically viruses are pure maliciousness. The Hyuga Virus appeared at a cattle shed. I think the highest risk of pollution is at the cattle shed. It seems that they form their maliciousness into viruses. His prophesy is often fulfilled.
btw, I have heard that a pleasure of some people who have Bentley is to look down at Mercedes when waiting for a traffic light. Do you want to do it? He must not suit the car. His soul might form a suitable body in next life in accordance with the quality.
What I was talking about? Ah that something string theory or something. That would be true.

andyprough
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So - superstring theory, karma, and reincarnation. I see what you are saying, but I do not believe the laws of physics are related to karma or reincarnation. I studied quite a bit about Tibetan Buddhism over the years, and my understanding is that "life force" or "spirit" or "soul" is not considered to be a part of the physical universe, and therefore would not be subject to the laws of gravity, relativity, etc.

However, if you are saying string theory is SIMILAR to some aspects of philosophy about karma and reincarnation, then I can agree that there are similarities. In Tibetan Buddhism, the "life force" is compared to a flame on top of a candle. When there is reincarnation, the flame itself does not pass to a new candle, but the heat, or "essence", from the flame causes a new flame to start on another candle. And so, the "essence" of a spirit is reborn in different forms, as human babies, or as animals, or insects, and lives again in "this life", or "Samsara". Similarly, in string theory, there may not be any real mass, but just a vibration or "essence" of mass. I believe that some have compared it to the "vibrating shadow" of another mass from another universe that shows up in our universe.

> So the universe has everything. It is not that we are moving in space, space makes our bodies with the matter. So space is perfectly fixed. After a few seconds, the matter where I was will be expressing a tree or a car or a bird or something. The earth goes around the sun at tremendous speed.

This has a similarity in the way that humans take medications when they are sick. If you know about medication, you also know there is such thing as the "placebo" effect - when a patient feels better even when they are given a fake pill that has no medication in it. The theoretical reason this happens is that the human brain and body already have all the chemical compounds needed to make the same effect as the medicine. As soon as the patient becomes convinced that he/she is taking the medicine, his/her body produces the same chemical effect and they feel better. So, in the way that you say that the universe and space already has everything, the human body also already has everything.

Masaru Suzuqi
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I see... especially the candle and placebo stories gave me new and maybe essential perspectives. I am not good at math so studying this type of science is difficult for me. While studying philosophy, I can bear to reread a same sentence 20 times but those sciences make me sleepy soon. I think I would study about quantum mechanics to some degree, though.
What do you think about after death, and vegetable life? and the beginning of the universe?

andyprough
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> What do you think about after death, and vegetable life? and the beginning of the universe?

I was raised a Christian, and most of my religious studies over the years have been Christian based, so my view of life after death (for people) is that eventually there will be a day of judgment in front of God, and that those who are "saved" will be resurrected into eternal life with God. I've studied quite a bit of Tibetan Buddhism, and find their ideas about reincarnation and life after death and being re-born to be highly interesting. I enjoy thinking about the world in both the Buddhist way and the Christian way, and seeing which one is more likely to be correct. So far, I haven not been able to resolve this question, and so I continue to view the world from my Christian perspective, since that is the one I am most familiar with and where I can read more about it in English.

Vegetable life - due to my Christian background, I do not believe vegetables have sentience or consciousness. They live, but they do it without awareness of their own life. That's my opinion. I believe the same is probably true of most insects and many lower level animals. They are imbued with life force, but they themselves are not sentient, thinking creatures. If I thought about these things from a Buddhist viewpoint, and thinking about karma and Samsara, I might think about them differently. Maybe a flying insect is actually the reincarnation of my dead grandfather? And my pet dog is the reincarnation of my dead grandmother? But even if that were true, if Tibetan Buddhism believes it is not the actual "person" who is reincarnated, but only their "essence", then does it really matter what form they come back in? The insect then is not really my "grandfather", it's just part of his life essence. And the dog is not really my "grandmother", it's just part of her essence. And how would I know anyway? Maybe the insect is Hitler, and the pet dog is Winston Churchill? The only way to know would be like how they find the next Dalai Lama, where they show the child some of the previous Dalai Lama's personal belongings, and the child is able to remember which one's belonged to him in his past life.

Beginning of the universe - I believe too much thought is put on that. How do we know this is not simply the remains of some much older universe? Astronomy and advanced math seem to show that the matter in the universe is moving away from itself like it was all started from a big bang, but there are many problems in that idea, like the problem of measuring dark matter. And what is dark matter, and what is its purpose? If its only purpose is to make a math formula work, then I believe we have much more to discover. Also, as you say, string theory could indicate that the universe may be self-sufficient, and space may be able to create and dissipate matter at will. In which case, maybe there was no big bang after all, but all we are seeing is the illusion of a big bang.

Masaru Suzuqi
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I think that the energy of plants which I can see from kensho is the strongest among all beings.
The most powerful aura of a human being cannot compare with their auras.
I have written that the sea world must be similar to the internet but it might have been the lie:P
The plants world would be what similar to the internet world.
The ratio of goodness to maliciousness seems to be almost opposite in their world.
There are just few maliciousness plants. Even they are contributing oxygen for us.
My ability seems to be helped by plants very much. Have you experienced kensho?

andyprough
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>My ability seems to be helped by plants very much. Have you experienced kensho?

I have not. I see that you must be an advanced Zen practitioner to have achieved such level of Kensho.

Masaru Suzuqi
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Yes I also think that kensho has level. Maybe more we become free, more we return to monkeys who had not things bind us in a certain sense, or part. Some birds seem to master circular breathing inherently.

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I would agree, I don't think vegetables have a conscious, but I disagree on animals. I think we will see animals in the next life that were in fact from our *now* life.

I myself find other faiths and beliefs fascinating, albeit, I do find atheism kind of sad, but everyone has a path to navigate. And we all choose that path whether we know it or not. Our ultimate fate is not our choice, but I believe that most of our fate can be chosen by our short term and long term actions. But the final outcome as I say is not our choice.

Your thoughts on the beginning of the universe are also well thought out.

Albeit, one thing really sticks out, you are probably right about that hunch, the big bang was probably an illusion. I also think though, those nutters who think the earth is 6000 years old, are taking the bible way, way too seriously in the literal sense. I mean what is 6000 years to a God. Particularly the one true one who has all power at his side. Note I said there can be other gods, what I mean by this, isn't that there really are other gods but rather that some are mistaken as gods. Anything in our lives that is exalted beyond God's wishes is a god in the false sense. But sadly falsehoods become temporarily real while we live. Thus a stronghold is born.

By the way, remember Balaam of the Bible? He actually was blocked from doing wrong by a donkey who was given the ability to speak for some amount of time, not sure how long...

That is why I believe animals do have a soul. I do however think it will be a while before we can see animals in heaven for what they really are though.

There are countless issues though with the Bible sadly not because its imperfect perhaps, but more because of people's interpretations of it.

Many things about it confuse me, but someday we will understand it all according to the Revelations part of the Bible.

What are your thoughts on this Andy?

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> By the way, remember Balaam of the Bible? He actually was blocked from doing wrong by a donkey who was given the ability to speak for some amount of time, not sure how long...

I did say that my thought about not having a soul applied to lower forms of animals and insects. I agree, I think more advanced animals like Balaam's donkey, or the chimpanzees and dolphins who can learn different language concepts, that they seem to show some level of sentience. Possibly they have a soul, I do not know. There seems to be plenty of evidence to support it.

> I also think though, those nutters who think the earth is 6000 years old, are taking the bible way, way too seriously in the literal sense.

Well, and they are also almost certainly reading their Bibles incorrectly. And counting their dates incorrectly. And doing a lot of other thinking incorrectly. But, if that's what they want to believe, it doesn't seem to negatively impact me or anyone I know. So I guess they should feel free to believe it.

> Many things about it confuse me, but someday we will understand it all according to the Revelations part of the Bible.

I've studied some historical works about the Book of Revelation, tying much of the prophecies to the historical destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by Rome in AD 70. Here's a fantastic video series on the subject if you are ever interested, by a brilliant Bible teacher named Bruce Gore: https://invidio.us/playlist?list=PLC68MDs_GwO3_9225oCDtlPcEYUXrZf68

I'm more interested in the historical context of Revelation than in trying to figure out the prophetic meaning for our time or the future. Can anyone really know for sure what it means for our future? For thousands of years, no one could figure out that the prophecies in the Old Testament pointed to the coming of Jesus. Martin Luther himself seemed quite conflicted as to what to think of Revelation, almost rejecting it early on, and later coming to acceptance of it: https://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2016/01/luther-on-revelation-i-feel-aversion-to.html

> I myself find other faiths and beliefs fascinating, albeit, I do find atheism kind of sad, but everyone has a path to navigate. And we all choose that path whether we know it or not. Our ultimate fate is not our choice, but I believe that most of our fate can be chosen by our short term and long term actions. But the final outcome as I say is not our choice.

I'm glad that you spend time thinking about these things! I also find it all quite fascinating.

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"I did say that my thought about not having a soul applied to lower forms of animals and insects. I agree, I think more advanced animals like Balaam's donkey, or the chimpanzees and dolphins who can learn different language concepts, that they seem to show some level of sentience. Possibly they have a soul, I do not know. There seems to be plenty of evidence to support it."

I hadn't realized that's what you meant, but regardless, bugs I can understand maybe not having a soul, although even that seems a bit odd. Souls probably have different sizes I would think depending on what is needed for each creature. That being said my response to your response here,

"Well, and they are also almost certainly reading their Bibles incorrectly. And counting their dates incorrectly. And doing a lot of other thinking incorrectly. But, if that's what they want to believe, it doesn't seem to negatively impact me or anyone I know. So I guess they should feel free to believe it."

I don't know, I think it depends on a variety of factors. The thing is, some beliefs when expressed, can have a negative backlash or bring ridicule to Christianity or any other belief set. Yes it will happen anyways, but do we really need to make it easier for people to attack our faith or as some say, religion...?

The thing about faith is that you don't want to become a religious zealot in the sense of being judgmental like some people have become albeit in one small part of any belief. Extremism is a more accurate word for this... Alas, many fall for that trap, no matter if people are atheists, believers, religious, etc...

But yeah, I might look at that video in the future. As for what I think of Revelations, I think no one will fully understand it till its right in our faces.
And even then few people will know what to do about it, etc...

I don't care too much about it now, other than to say, its a fascinating interesting book. I need to delve into it deeper though no doubt.

But yeah, I do find all this fascinating, same with the other faiths of the world.
I only find two things sad, multi-god worship and atheism. To be honest, I said one of those already, but I will mention why here:

Multi-god worship because of some of the evil practices mentioned with it, child sacrifice and prostitution which shouldn't have existed in the first place.

Child sacrifice is especially heinous... But yeah...

As for why I feel sad about atheism, I think we both know why, but I will add more insight to my thoughts,
Though I feel some atheists will repent at the end of their lives if they were good people, it does require honesty and repentance somewhere. I mean look at Steven Hawking, Even on his death bed he remained stubborn. I feel sorry for him in spite of his pride towards himself and against God.

There is one other person, he's not dead yet, but he does mock God in his shows a whole lot, I do dislike him,
But I hope he (Seth Macfarlene) changes his course, he was to go on the plane that experienced 9/11 and rather than be grateful he missed his flight he doubled down and refused to count his blessings.

Sometimes we do hope for things not rooted even in spiritual reality, but I hope someone changes this guys mind. Even though he made those ghastly awful Ted movies.

Sorry if I rambled a bit but yeah, that's a bunch of my thoughts here.

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Good stuff, I'm glad you wrote your thoughts. Have an upvote.
I did not know that about Seth, that he missed his scheduled flight on 911 and missed dying. How interesting. I myself had a near death experience that changed me in a profound way. At age 18 I was in the passenger seat of a vehicle that lost control in a rain storm and was headed straight for a concrete post at 65mph. With no seatbelt. I was going to be thrown through the windshield and die for sure. At the very last moment, the vehicle spun around due to some unseen force and we hit the concret post going backward instead of forward. I got a concussion, but I survived. Those kinds of incidents make you think about God and the meaning of life pretty deeply.

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I am sure they give people hope for the next life, I initially was being an atheist before I was a teenager. Around that time I began to believe God existed, but it wasn't till much later that I actually realized the price that needed to be payed to live in victory. Even now I have trouble sometimes, but my heart is in Christ now, though I do screw up from time to time.
It took me till I was in my mid twenties to figure this out.

As for Seth, sometimes I do struggle with anger when I remember how people told me, (when I didn't need to know,) how ted 2 ended. For one thing, my belief is that leaving your spouse, is an evil thing to do unless the following:
A: Both people aren't happy
B: There is an unfaithful mate who is unwilling to change (though such a person should not have the choice to end it because they have failed to be mature in their decisions)
C: They are being physically abusive

That is basically why I hate any discussion about the Ted movies and for that matter, R rated movies are pure trash for violating these invisible standards which *should* exist in all movies but are sadly only within some people like me.

That being said, my beliefs of this do not stem from experiences my parents had, but rather, things I hear, see on TV and media caused me to feel emotion that I didn't understand till I was seventeen.

Strange how emotions build within you things that make almost no sense at the time... right?

Meh...

Glad you are alive though.

Unrelated...
but,
Tell me something, do you have a libreboot device+X200?

I wondered because I do and I am interested to know how many people have used Full Disk Encryption on Hyperbola or Parabola. :)

Sorry if some of this stuff is off topic, but yeah, just curious.

andyprough
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> Tell me something, do you have a libreboot device+X200?
> I wondered because I do and I am interested to know how many people have used Full Disk Encryption on Hyperbola or Parabola. :)

I do not have any libre-booted devices. Rather than getting into a Thinkpad, I'm looking forward to spending some money on a Raptor Blackbird and/or a Pinebook Pro if possible when Trisquel 9 comes out in support of ARM and Power9 chip architecture. For the time being, I'm running a Samsung laptop with an i3 that I had laying around.

> That is basically why I hate any discussion about the Ted movies and for that matter, R rated movies are pure trash for violating these invisible standards which *should* exist in all movies but are sadly only within some people like me.

I've found I just have to ignore anything coming out of Hollywood or on TV. I've lived without a TV for the past 10 years, and rarely watch any movies. I don't really mind that they are disgustingly immoral, since I don't expect anything better from Hollywood, but what I really mind is that TV and the movies are so filled with other propaganda that I disagree with. For example, almost the only time you would see anyone in a movie or TV show using libre software would be if they were some fictional criminal cracker, trying to crack into a computer system to commit some crime. In real life, we know that quite the opposite is true.

> Around that time I began to believe God existed, but it wasn't till much later that I actually realized the price that needed to be payed to live in victory.

Yup. All He demands is everything.

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Wise to ignore anything from hollywood. They are really immoral, evil and nasty.

IT does get hard though when people keep advertising stuff from it though. Whether you are online or watching ads on TV.
I admit, I am not always using free software, sometimes there are situations where that isn't easy. I don't use cable for anything but internet, but let's just say I have a device which has that awful youtube on it. It's Roku to be exact, I wish there was an equivalent to Roku in free software... One with Invidio.us instances... xD

That aside,

You might be wise to wait for more libre devices to come out.
Raptor Blackbird you say... Pinebook Pro you say...

Raptor Blackbird is worth it? As for pinebook pro, will that be librebooted in the future you think?

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> I don't use cable for anything but internet, but let's just say I have a device which has that awful youtube on it. It's Roku to be exact, I wish there was an equivalent to Roku in free software... One with Invidio.us instances... xD

I'm into 3 Bible teachers, I've listened to thousands of hours of podcasts and lectures the past 2 years:
Dr. Michael Heiser - Scholar of ancient Semitic and middle eastern languages - The Naked Bible podcast - https://nakedbiblepodcast.com/. Really cool stuff - he explains the nephilim and a thousand other oddities in the Bible from a scholarly, contextual angle. He has an eclectic mix of videos up on an invidio.us channel: https://invidio.us/channel/UC99vZUe84LuuZQKzf_l_M3A (he's also into debating/debunking UFO and ancient aliens theories, so there's a lot of interesting material)

Bruce Gore - Hundreds of video and audio lectures putting the books of Bible in their ancient middle eastern historical context: https://www.brucegore.com/brucewgore/Default.aspx. Also has a big collection on invidio.us: https://invidio.us/channel/UC99vZUe84LuuZQKzf_l_M3A

Steve Gregg - Nearly a thousand verse by verse audio lectures for the entire Bible, with a good review of historical context and of the relevant commentaries for each verse and chapter: http://thenarrowpath.com/verse_by_verse.php. Also has a huge number of video lectures on invidio.us at https://invidio.us/channel/UCxjboKtWGPrVVfzCfoMac7w

> Raptor Blackbird is worth it? As for pinebook pro, will that be librebooted in the future you think?

I think the Blackbird will be worth it. It's got the ability to run some amazingly fast future ssd drives on PCIe 4.0 that you just won't be able to run on a typical $1,500 desktop computer. And Pinebook Pro does not have a bootloader. Boot will come with whatever ARM image you run, is my understanding. Hopefully Trisquel 9 will have the ability to boot it.

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I shall consider looking at one of those links you mentioned. The teachers of the bible I mean. Not sure which yet though!

I especially am interested in the gospels and Revelations though.

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>I especially am interested in the gospels and Revelations though.

I prefer a teacher who does not have a specific denomination, but gives you the ideas from all the different viewpoints so you can decide for yourself. That is Steve Gregg's strong point.

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I have no interest in denominations either. I just want to know more about those particular parts of the bible.

Revelations is incredibly complicated and has so much complexity when it comes to the future.

Yes I need more than those parts, but those fascinate me the most. :)

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> I have no interest in denominations either. I just want to know more about those particular parts of the bible. Revelations is incredibly complicated and has so much complexity when it comes to the future.

Watch the Bruce Gore lectures on Revelation - best ones I found to give you a solid foundation of information and historical context. https://invidio.us/playlist?list=PLC68MDs_GwO3_9225oCDtlPcEYUXrZf68

It's an excellent starting point to make it seem a lot less complicated.

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I downvoted this comment and encourage you to see this short clip just under 3 minutes https://invidio.us/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo

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I would also encourage you two andyprough and calmstorm to check out the youtube channel (using invidio.us of course) "dark matter".

andyprough
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I will, thank you. I hope to learn about all the new new new dark matter calculations that correct all those frightful errors of those dusty old 2018 dark matter calculations, LOL.

andyprough
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And have another up vote! I appreciate that you are bringing another viewpoint to the discussion!

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Have an upvote, and feel free to down vote me anytime. I'll pray for you and for you to come to recognize that radical atheists like Fry have zero understanding of the Old Testament or even just the Pentateuch. I would refer you to Genesis 6:1-4 if you want to get just the first glimmer of an idea about why our world has so much pain and misery. Dr. Michael Heiser refutes these infantile arguments with reference to the actual historical context of mankind's evil toward the most innocent, he's a PhD expert in ancient semitic languages and well worth reading and listening to (drmsh.com). If nothing else, you'll learn to discard the pathetic appeals to emotion of obvious conmen like this Fry fellow. If you are going to be an atheist, I pray that you please don't be one who falls for silly mind games and emotional scams. Base your ideas on sound reasoning. Who knows, you may just find that there's more to the historical Biblical context than what you had previously thought. And that it informs your own cultural past in ways you never realized.

Masaru Suzuqi
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I don't understand well though, how about introducing a "too much" button or something to this forum.

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GrevenGull posted a link to a video where a wise looking man says "there is no God, because God would not create a world with pain and suffering". I responded that God is not Santa Claus, bringing joy to everyone through magical gifts. The Christian Bible makes it very clear that mankind and demons and false Gods are who made Earth to have suffering and misery. The whole point of the Christian Bible is that God offered us an eternal life without such suffering.

And yes, a "too much" button would be good. I think I would get the "too much" vote often, almost as often as you. ;P

Masaru Suzuqi
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Religion must have relieved many people who had not gone to even school of the fear of death, but it caused too many wars and made those too many parasites on religion. They infest everywhere gathers money. Law, art, sports, land, big companies, weapons (e.g. NRA), etc etc. It is challenging for cleaning.

typo: parasitic > infest

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> but it caused too many wars

Some wars, yes. But also billions of acts of unselfish charity and kindness. Gautama Buddha was the first to say "love your neighbor as you love yourself", and that one point changed the world for the better.

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Yeah... I used to be an atheist till I became a teenager, and it took me 15 years+ to get past all my arrogance. Basically, I used to say there was no God before I was a teenager, of course even when I acknowledged God, I still had problems remnant of my old life which took me till like a few years ago to find relief from in any form. I have felt God's peace, I know he is real. You are feel to believe what you want and I am free to do the same.

Still, I do feel sorry for people who would rather be in a world where the good people of this world perish and the evil people get away with everything upon death. That is a false reality, and one that if believed lead people to do things that are absolutely terrible. :(

Wouldn't be surprised if that is what's leading my government to be so heartless. (the GOP aka)

Not all of them, but too many. If they really believed there was a God, in their hearts, they would be frightened, and repent of their evil ways immediately.

I think they favor humanity's other father.

alas...

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>Yeah... I used to be an atheist till I became a teenager, and it took me 15 years+ to get past all my arrogance. Basically, I used to say there was no God before I was a teenager, of course even when I acknowledged God, I still had problems remnant of my old life which took me till like a few years ago to find relief from in any form. I have felt God's peace, I know he is real.

I myself once dabbled in atheism as a young teenager. But, God has a way of making His presence felt very very clearly when He wishes. When He decides He wants your attention, there's no denying Him.

I agree with you - we are each free to reach our own conclusions. I would not want to live in a country where you were forced to believe a state-approved religion. That would be awful, no matter the religion. It's no surprise that modern atheism historically took hold first in France and England in the 17th century. Those were two countries that were forcing state-supported religions (Catholocism in France and Anglicanism in England) on their populations. In that context, atheism as a reaction to authoritarianism was a sensible alternative. Another alternative that became wildly popular in Europe at that time was to flee to America, where you could believe as you liked.

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I had not known you were once an atheist. But yeah, he does have a way of revealing himself doesn't he.

:)

as for atheism being a reaction to forcing state-supported religions, I don't know... it may seem rational to react by moving to atheism, but I think anything the state supports as religion in an authoritarian rule is not really of God.

Evil usually doesn't bring people to God but rather the reverse.

God can use evil against evil, but even then, that isn't evil bringing people to God. That is God bringing good out of evil which only he can do!

Therefore, becoming an atheist for that reason would be doing something as dumb as the authoritarians... albeit nowhere near as evil... but yeah.

Life is complex though.

I wonder what the future holds often.

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> I had not known you were once an atheist.

I was not really an atheist. But I dabbled in the idea, read some books by the great atheist philosophers. I recall carrying around a masssive hardback copy of Jean Paul Sartre's "Being and Nothingness" in middle school, trying to be cool by making a show of talking up atheism and existentialism and nihilism. I lost interest after awhile. Philosophies of nothingness and of mankind living all alone in a cold, dark universe are a bit depressing, and frankly boring. After that, I got very interested in Buddhism in high school and studied everything I could about it, and eventually came back full circle to having an intense interest in Christian scripture again.

Masaru Suzuqi
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Maybe Sartre is talking about a thought that why I exist, not I don't exist. Nothingness frightens me. If the Universe has everything, there would be nothingness, too. In my opinion, perhaps a being that have experienced hell long exhaustedly, eventually desire to be nothingness. He would be literally exhaust, after trillion reincarnation. The most likely explanation is dark matter.

Masaru Suzuqi
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>trying to be cool by making a show of talking up atheism and existentialism and nihilism.

It is natural and healthy. Calculators study with calculation. They don't love study. If some girl allowed you to kiss after your random philosophical talking, everything is OK.

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> perhaps a being that have experienced hell long exhaustedly, eventually desire to be nothingness. He would be literally exhaust, after trillion reincarnation. The most likely explanation is dark matter.

Very interesting that you have thought about it this way. I have wondered the same thing. What happens to a tortured soul after a few trillion years of hell? Maybe you are right, maybe they become dark matter.

Masaru Suzuqi
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>maybe they become dark matter.

lol... I know I should not laugh, but... I cannot have sympathy at all for them, somehow. God made me so, so perhaps it is not my fault or my love still lacks it. Even me, sometimes my brain thinks naturally like "This is God power..." when I had a strange experience. Perhaps that God differs from you Christianity's God but I feel it might be very similar.
Anyway, I was thinking that my thought about it was quite unique. It might be a quite common sense of some people. I think that usually general Christianity would not think it so though. Becoming dark matter... lol... I'm afraid...

andyprough
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>Even me, sometimes my brain thinks naturally like "This is God power..." when I had a strange experience. Perhaps that God differs from you Christianity's God but I feel it might be very similar.

We call it the Holy Spirit. Very similar. After Jesus Christ was killed by the Romans, he became alive again 3 days later and taught his followers for another 40 days, and then he went into heaven to be with God (according to the Bible). About one more week later, God sent the Holy Spirit to live inside men's/women's hearts, and to guide them and to work wonders through them. This is all according to the books of the Bible called Matthew, and Luke, and Mark, and John, and the Book of Acts. Christians believe God has 3 parts - the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit that lives inside us. One God with 3 aspects.

Masaru Suzuqi
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I have read Wikipedia's article about Christianity and then some sentences about the trinity drawn my attention. I have been having a question how to call kensho in other languages. You know, in East Asia, it is called kensho, satori, third eye, etc. We would be able to say there is still no consensus about how to call it. I like the word kensho because I think that it expresses the idea literally. Ken means seeing. Sho means (true)nature, quality, something like that. The word essence might be most suitable. From the Wikipedia's page:

"It is also a premise in Christian churches that the Trinity theory is difficult.

In the Orthodox Church, "Those are one, and one is beyond understanding." It emphasizes that the Trinity is not an object to "understand" but a mystery as an object to "believe" [11].

Even in the Catholic Church, God has revelated and implied that he is the Trinity, but not only can he not know that he is the Trinity but before the incarnation of the Son of God and the dispatch of the Holy Spirit. Is considered to be a mystery that could not be known in the faith of the people of Israel [39]."

I think that Westerners tend to understand the idea, kensho, with brains, I mean, by writing. Southerns tend to understand the idea with dancing, in a trance. Easterners tend to learn the idea with breathing, yoga, zen.
Do you think that the trinity has something to do with kensho?
BTW, I got to understand a bit more about the Fathers's prayer(speech?) when you guys have wedding in a church in many movies I had Watched :) they say "the Father... the Son... the Holy ghost..." I was wondering especially what was that holy spirit. Btwbtw, maybe most Japanese have weddings in a church because maybe somehow it just seems cool. Many women long to wear a wedding dress and maybe that is the strongest motive. And many couples long to go to Tokyo Disney Land in Christmas. You may know those our curious habits.

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> I have been having a question how to call kensho in other languages.

My understanding is that kensho is like Bodhisattva. In English, we would refer to this as "awakened", I believe. The person has had an awakening, and is on their journey to attain buddhahood (or what English would call "enlightenment"). But I might be wrong. I don't have much understanding of your zen tradition.

> In the Orthodox Church, "Those are one, and one is beyond understanding." It emphasizes that the Trinity is not an object to "understand" but a mystery

Yes, the trinity is the great mystery of Christianity. How can one God be three divine parts at the same time? It is supposed to be beyond our understanding.

> I think that Westerners tend to understand the idea, kensho, with brains, I mean, by writing. Southerns tend to understand the idea with dancing, in a trance. Easterners tend to learn the idea with breathing, yoga, zen.

I noticed that too. Many different ways to achieve an awakening or an enlightenment. It's amazing what Tibetan Buddhists can do by controlling their breathing and thinking. They can control body temperature, health, can change their brain structure. Everything scientifically validated. So many things.

Masaru Suzuqi
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As just a note, I think I should bring this matter decently someday, somewhere. (Well, I think that we ought to take priority over all other considerations about human being's general relationships, though)
I have been having an awareness of some problems of religion. About only this forum, since when I created the first thread, I have been having it.
Firstly I should state that I think that all of religions must have started with something goodness of someones.

Some of you guys might not be able to forgive a joke about some religion.
If I was a jain, I would not be able to forgive some of here jokes.
If I was a religious of my own religion, I might not be able to forgive some of jokes about freedom. You may know, I would always put priority on pollution issues. If we could avoid becoming extinct, there always would be chance. But about relationships with other people who believe other religions, including atheists, would be given priority over all other considerations. I didn't expect how difficult the problem is. It is deep-rooted seriously. It would have huge energy to crack relationships very easily.

Then the crack seems to be similar to the ones which we human beings have got when we started each of the great number of wars.
Risk management...

andyprough
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> Some of you guys might not be able to forgive a joke about some religion.
If I was a jain, I would not be able to forgive some of here jokes.

I don't feel concerned about any jokes about Christianity or any other religion. I would hope that a follower of Jainism would be able to hear a joke, or to have a discussion about their beliefs, such as to discuss if an insect has a soul.

> You may know, I would always put priority on pollution issues. If we could avoid becoming extinct, there always would be chance.

Many religions put forward the idea that mankind cannot do anything to save itself - that mankind needs the intervention of God, or that people need to achieve enlightenment or nirvana.

Masaru Suzuqi
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As general feelings of Christianity, is there a difference between a soul and emotion?? just out of curiosity.
Probably most Japanese also don't think a insect or an animal has a soul. Strangely, they seem to recognise that their pets have emotions or souls. In that sense, they seem not to distinguish souls and emotion. Some woman has said that she didn't think that birds were thinking. Birds just eat, fly, etc with their instinct. I think "will I also die?... probably..." is that, how should I say, every existence might think at least once if we can live until we think about it. I think wildlife and people living under war conditions would think about it quite earlier than us.

andyprough
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> As general feelings of Christianity, is there a difference between a soul and emotion?? just out of curiosity.

Just like in Buddhism, emotions in Christian theology do not seem to be trusted. As Buddhists have understood for thousands of years, emotions can be dishonest and deceiving. A person can feel a false sense of happiness, when they should be feeling concerned or sad. A person can also be manipulated to feel anger, and to go fight against other men in dishonest wars.

The soul in Christian theology is created by God, and has a divine nature. So, similar to Buddhism, the soul is the pure and honest part of the person.

> Some woman has said that she didn't think that birds were thinking. Birds just eat, fly, etc with their instinct.

But some birds can learn to talk, like Parrots. And they live for a very long time with one person as their pet. For an entire lifetime in some cases. Many bird owners would probably tell you that their birds are very much like people, and have a soul.

I have a wild goose that has become my friend at the lake near my house. Every morning when I walk near the lake, she comes and finds me and sits with me for awhile. She wants to see if I brought any food for her. She is like a person, with a lot of personality. Some days she is happy to see me, some days she is angry and yells at me (if I brought food she doesn't like, or if I wear some color of clothes she doesn't trust). Some days she ignores me. Does she have a soul? Or is she just a wild animal, seeing me as a source of snack food? Hard to say.

Saint Francis of Assisi was a Christian monk who lived about 800 years ago, who was famous for many things, including that he would preach about Christianity to flocks of wild birds. Why would he do that if he did not believe they had souls? Some stories claim that the birds would sit quietly and listen to his long sermons. Interesting, right?

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I do though have to say, we have to be good stewards of the land.

Not just assume if we trust God while simultaneously dumping toxic chemicals everywhere using fossil fuels that God will wave his magic wand and everything will be fine.
I doubt you believe this, for one thing magic is Satan's power albeit it is a far cry from God's power.

But yeah, there are people who believe this and I think that's what Masaru is trying to say to an extent. Not positive, but if that's it, then it is a wise thing to consider.

Masaru Suzuqi
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I just noticed that 3D games exactly express my idea (in the first post of this thread). I was looking vacantly a demo of a game. The virtual space is fixed. There are only a coordinate and color. A object doesn't move. It just seems so. Wow I can explain this idea easier from now on and it opened a lot of new perspectives.