Horizon-1 High-Tech Experimental Community

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islander
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There are many interesting self-sustaining libre communities springing up around the world, but I believe that Horizon-1 has the necessary funding and on-site scientific personnel to truly explore advanced high-tech methods of developing peaceful, sustainable cities of the future, as proposed by Jacques Fresco, Peter Joseph, myself, and many other futurists. This video is a demonstation of the possibilities using freedom technology and technology freedom. Enjoy!

Horizon-1 High-Tech Experimental Community
Location: Western Europe
Established: 2006
Population: 2,000
Funding: Horizon Global Project Consortium
The European Centre for Social Advancement
International Institute for Sustainable Cultures
various International Scientific Communities

Video: Filmed March, 2015

Freedom Culture: http://valhallamovement.com/video/new-cutting-edge-high-tech-community-horizon-1-springs-up-in-europe/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUmdKcYwFLk

Live Free & Do Good Things!

islander
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se unió: 05/27/2013

Forgot the Screenshot :)

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SuperTramp83

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se unió: 10/31/2014

nice! thank you!
I see you run Devuan with xfce. That is Debian 8 without systemd, right?
But the actual question is - how did you manage to have only 107 processes running. I locked my system down quite a bit and I have 135..
I'm on Debian 8 with xfce (not devuan).
cheers!

tomlukeywood
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"I see you run Devuan with xfce"
is devuan stable yet?

islander
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se unió: 05/27/2013

Hello SuperTramp83,
Yes this test-driver is Devuan-based, and was updated from gNewSense Parkes Xfce to Ucclia Xfce in December, 2014, then cloned onto extra / and /home partitions so I could easily test Devuan. As a group, the 101 team decided against using systemd after hearing about RedHat-M$'s future plan at a closed-door seminar over a decade ago. Totally unnecessary on a single-user, libre PC; whether it be new or newly revived using a GNU-Linux-Libre OS.

Not sure about why our process load is lighter. We do check for clean, libre code before adding it into our systems. Gnome, KDE, zeitgeist, tracker, pulseaudio, systemd, etc. were blocked way back when Squeeze was morphing into Wheezy. A simple dbus change blocked libsystemd things. And, we still use the gNewSense linux-libre kernel on all of our PCs, many of which are 5 to 10 years old.

Tests show that normal launch-load on our Devuan Jessie-based OS is 101 processes, and 101 processes has been a multi-year average for the Wheezy-based desktops. Systemd may be causing your higher load, but that is just my opinion. Icewm, jwm, e17, fvwm-crystal and other WMs start up at about 70 to 90 processes, but Xfce (we call it "tinface") makes for a great mid-weight learning workstation for people coming from the Widoze XP world, and for beginning PC users.

Hi tomlukeywood, I have been using Devuan for over 8 months, with no major problems. I did holdback and pin a handful of programs to Ucclia, mostly multimedia related, since there is glitch in Devuan Jessie main that attempts to install non-free libfaac0. It poses no problem since we prefer the Exaile, VLC, RoseGarden, Audacity, GNU Denemo, Lilypond, Performous, and other programs from Ucclia anyhow. I should probably let Jaromil and Nextime know, but we're all busy as a cat at the dog pound.

Magic Banana

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As a group, the 101 team decided against using systemd after hearing about RedHat-M$'s future plan at a closed-door seminar over a decade ago.

systemd's project only is five year old. And what is that "RedHat-M$'s future plan"?

We do check for clean, libre code before adding it into our systems. Gnome, KDE, zeitgeist, tracker, pulseaudio, systemd, etc. were blocked way back when Squeeze was morphing into Wheezy.

Those programs are all libre. I am not sure what "clean" means in this context.

islander
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se unió: 05/27/2013

RH and Micro$oft are both corporations that make money by providing services and products. The plan, no matter when, or what name is used, was to create and implement a standardized base within the *nix infrastructure that would eventually be adopted by most distros. Backdoors were included. The plan has been a success, obviously, as Debian, Ubuntu, some of the BSDs, and even Slackware have or are adding systemd in the near future.

To our knowledge there are very few distros that have decided NEVER to implement systemd.

Clean code for me is elegant and simple. It is easier to show an example. This is cat.c compared between GNU and Plan9.
http://aligunduz.org/blog/plan-9-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-unix/

SuperTramp83

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se unió: 10/31/2014

Have you got any proof, any link to show when you refer to systemd as a backdoor or at least you seem to imply that it contains a backdoor?
I am asking because it seems very improbable to me that something like systemd, that is free software and has been around for a long time and hopefully thoroughly audited is indeed malicious software.

Magic Banana

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se unió: 07/24/2010

Backdoors were included.

In systemd? Since you are (and anyone is) free to study its whole source code, show me a backdoor in it (or a reference that technically describes a backdoor in it). Until then, the accusation is groundless. It has no value whatsoever. It only makes you look like a conspiracy theorist. Someone who "raises questions" but never tries to answer them (because an investigation would clearly show that the accusation is groundless). I hope most people in Horizon-1 are not like that...

http://aligunduz.org/blog/plan-9-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-unix/

GNU cat has ten options. Plan 9's cat has none. GNU cat is portable (and you can read comments describing lines that exist for particular operating systems). Plan 9's cat is not. More options and portability make GNU cat a longer program but also a more useful program.

SuperTramp83

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And since he ignores our posts and doesn't answer I will assume that he is indeed "a conspiracy theorist. Someone who "raises questions" but never tries to answer them"..

islander
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se unió: 05/27/2013

My understanding is that Canonical has now joined RedHat, M$, Google, and others as a partner in the server and cloud technology fields. Has no effect on us since we never use wifi, systemd, or the cloud.

Magic Banana

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I am not sure what you try to write by putting alongside the words Canonical, Red Hat, M$, Google, server, cloud, Wifi and systemd but that does not make much sense. Well, except for conspiracy theorists I guess.

islander
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* Written by one of my 10 year old student hackers to explain in storybook form why she changed the wallpaper originally posted by SuperTramp83.
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"The End of the Journey is Near

After the great GNU and his little friend Pinguy had traveled for many miles across streams, meadows, and forests to climb the distant mountain in search of Freedom, Pinguy looked up as a shooting star crossed their path. Excitedly, he exclaimed, "It is the sign that the woman ShadowWalker spoke of, a star showing the way into the hidden valley!"

"Yes, my little friend - so it is. We must read the messages left upon this tree of knowledge, leave a few suggestions of our own, then rest for a while. You can ride upon my back for the remainder of the journey, for I know you must be very tired, oh short-legged one," sighed the great GNU.

Please read the wallpaper from left to right.
The tree of knowledge is within sight of the team called GNU+Linux, and thereupon they will leave instructions so the rest of humanity can more easily find this thing/place called Freedom. Very few people are willing to make this long and difficult journey; but, those who do so will forever share their hacking skills and a life of fun and adventure with all who seek liberty.
<3 ct"

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Garsmith
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se unió: 07/27/2013

Is this real? It seems like they read from teleprompter. Everyone seems very mental, scary mental. The kids isn't kids. No one is relaxed, humanity is missing in them. They are like robots. All the talk is about science, optimal, efficiency, analytic. One type of cloths. They talk that science, technology and research is used to expand and help the collective humanity. Individuality is a problem so we should work together to solve problems.

If this is real I'm scared. This reminds me too much of the book Brave New World. The collective decides the future and with the lack of humanity they all have in this video decisions like helping older people die is better because old people is a unnecessary heavy weight on the communities recourses. And when they talk about cutting edge science it is still limited with sun panels when their is better alternatives but it isn't allowed and isn't taught in schools.

I take this video as fake. I cant find European Centre for Social Advancement, International Institute for Sustainable Cultures or any information about this community.

Time to make better tin foil hat that blocks the mind control rays better. THEY ARE AFTER ME!!!!

islander
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se unió: 05/27/2013

Not sure if this is real, or just a vision of the brothers who had it filmed. Seems they inherited a lot of money in their youth, and have been producing high-quality films for years. I was going to fly over and look at the operation in person like I did with Jacque Fresco's Venus Project, but so far no luck. Oh well...