What is linux and how can i use it to get some nice young girls
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[sarcasm]Welcome to the forums, vPro/chaosesqueteam![/sarcasm]
Seriously, how many accounts is this guy going to make?
GNU/LINUX is an operating system.
can we block his ip address?
IP blocks are terrible. I would be strongly against this move. All they end up doing is effectively banning the use of proxies, like Tor.
It would be better to implement some kind of privilege earning system (e.g. earning the privilege to post without moderator approval). Then doing this kind of thing just wouldn't be worth it, because you'd have to spend a month or two re-earning the community's trust each time (and not allowing it to be known that you're a user who had your account deleted, in the process).
That's a good idea onpon4, although it might be better to not require moderator approval initially and only require it once the user posts stuff like this. The vast majority of users are not trolls. Also, we need a moderator :P
That would eliminate the whole purpose of it, though. People like vPro would be able to just make a new account, and we'd be back to square one.
It could be some other privilege, though. Requiring moderator approval to post was just the obvious possibility I could think of.
Yeah, I guess it makes sense. But it shouldn't be too hard to get the privileges.
Bad idea. They can always use Tor, and we don't want to block Tor.
Basically, Ruben already implemented a very good way to deal with troll posts.
However, instead of a minus-sign, there should be a "spam" button.
Posts like this would be hidden in no time and the problem would be basically solved.
I mean, the community is huge, so even dealing with a very active troll is only a tiny bit of work for every one of us.
Oh, and there should be a way to hide or even delete troll threads, not only single posts.
And the "troll-hole" should be renamed to "smalltalk";
don't think we need a place for real trolls or spam in this forum.
Basically, Ruben already implemented a very good way to deal with troll posts.
I agree. I believe it is better than banning or even having moderators because it does not generate any tension. I recently wrote more about that: https://trisquel.info/forum/3g-modems-coming-integrated-next-gen-intel-atom-real-time#comment-66173
However, I still think that the hiding system could be made a bit more "severe": a user with a negative average (i.e., who has received more down-votes than up-votes) would have his/her post hidden as soon as it gets -1 (instead of -3). I know quidam could set this policy up in minutes (no implementation work). What do you think of it?
I don't really like the system.
If this were the 1200s and someone in the troll hole makes an argument that the world is round and magically provides scientific evidence from 200 years later with it, he'd be considered a troll worth blocking :(
Trying "to get some nice young girls" is not a fact. It cannot be proved right or wrong. It is a behavior that raises ethical issues. The perspectives on those issues have certainly changed along centuries. Anyway, that is no reason to accept anything. Especially if our community intends to be welcoming.
https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/trisquel-community-guidelines asks for respect among community members:
- Discrimination -- Do not discriminate against people based on age, gender, sex, sexual orientation, disability, religion, ideology, ideas, social class, nationality, race, intelligence, or any analogous grounds.
- Profanity -- Do not curse or use hard language here. Social norms differ from place to place; hard language can deter people from our community.
- Incivility -- Do not insult others here. Disagree and challenge ideas instead.
vPro/chaoesqueteam/maybe im a lamp repeatedly infringes all those guidelines. Collectively hiding his messages through the minus button is making our community friendlier. Especially to newcomers. In the present case: especially to women.
Trying to prove vPro/chaoesqueteam/maybe im a lamp wrong is no solution. See https://trisquel.info/forum/3g-modems-coming-integrated-next-gen-intel-atom-real-time for instance. Replying to him is just giving him more opportunities to repeat that men have a divine right to marry female children (< 13 years old), that women are the enemy of men, that they are conspiring against men, that they should always obey men, that they should never be accepted in a free software programming team, that the husband should have a right to rape his wife, that feminists should be killed, that Hans Reiser was right to kill his wife, etc.
vPro/chaoesqueteam/maybe im a lamp has been repeating this speech for at least 10 years: http://geekfeminism.org/2009/10/08/psa-mikeeusas-hate-speech-and-harassment/
Because "the old testament says so". It is not an argument and there is no argument against that.
And according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth :
The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to ancient Greek philosophy from around the 6th century BC, but remained a matter of philosophical speculation until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given. The paradigm was gradually adopted throughout the Old World during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages.
Honestly, I don't have much faith in this system.
Personally, I very rarely click on the minus button, because it's much easier for me, personally, to just click away. I only tend to do it when I'm personally involved. Now, I'm not going to claim to speak for the entire community, but given the number of negative votes on chaosesqueteam's comments I've seen, I'd say this is a fairly common approach. There might be one or two people who make a point of clicking the minus button on every bad post they see, but that's just not enough. Plus, think of the delay; a bad post can stay up for hours, sometimes even a whole day, depending on what everyone's doing.
And as for hiding posts sooner when the user has a lot of negative votes? What's stopping that user from just making another account?
Suppose, rather than focusing our efforts on correcting bad posters, we just filter all posts until the poster has earned our trust somehow. Perhaps there could be an approval button, only usable by members who have earned our trust, and someone who gets, say, 10 points would be said to earn our trust. As a backup, moderators could have the power to instantly mark a user as trusted.
Untrusted users would still be able to post; they'd just have to wait for a moderator to approve their posts. If we had enough moderators, this would typically just be a delay of a few hours, I think. Legitimate users would get their posts shown soon enough, and if they keep posting, they would become trusted soon enough.
Posters like vPro, on the other hand, would find themselves in a constant battle to re-earn trust after losing it over and over again, each time having to take care not to reveal that they are the same person. It would be doable, but not even remotely worth it.
"Suppose, rather than focusing our efforts on correcting bad posters, we just filter all posts until the poster has earned our trust somehow. Perhaps there could be an approval button, only usable by members who have earned our trust, and someone who gets, say, 10 points would be said to earn our trust. As a backup, moderators could have the power to instantly mark a user as trusted."
Sounds like the typical system that sounds good but gets horribly wrong in practice...
i guess in the end, nobody who talks in a critical way about trisquel will "earn the trust of the community" anymore; i don't like the sound of this.
And i think you exaggerate the problem.
It's no as if the forum was flooded with spam posts _all the time_.
Mostly, it's one troll who occasionally posts something. No need to shut all doors in a sect-like manner.
And as for hiding posts sooner when the user has a lot of negative votes? What's stopping that user from just making another account?
Nothing. But, at least, problematic users (with more down-votes than up-votes) and new users (one down-vote is more than zero up-vote) who post messages that disrespect the community guidelines will have such messages hidden in no time (as soon as one user takes the time to click the "minus" button). And a problematic user creating a new account is a new user.
Having moderators is an option. I am against it but I would definitely vote for you if it was to be adopted! Now imagine your pain: you would have to *personally* deal with people like vPro/chaoesqueteam/maybe im a lamp + people accusing you of censorship (even if it is not: every community is entitled to its own rules).
Perhaps just get a moderator or some such thing to just delete this spam/rubbish.
The community is the moderator. In my opinion, it is better in this way (no tension): https://trisquel.info/forum/3g-modems-coming-integrated-next-gen-intel-atom-real-time#comment-66173
Everyone should click the minus button whenever someone infringes our community guidelines: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/trisquel-community-guidelines
I wonder if there's some hidden meaning to "maybe im a lamp" :P
I'm fine with people expressing their views on things in the forums, even if they're offensive and discriminate, because you can easily ignore their opinion and move on. There's no need to deal with that, because in the end opinions are just information. It's not right to try to get rid of information, just because you find it offensive.
It's not his opinion the main issue here, but the way he's being deliberately disruptive and keeps on spamming all over the place. It's threads like this one.
Even if the thing he was spamming we generally considered good, like green energy or something, you still wouldn't want to see him spamming it over the forums like that. That's the problem that needs to be dealt with.
Unfortunately, the posts being allowed to stay with no counter-argument (which is, of course, useless to do) could make it look like the viewpoint is generally accepted around here, which could put off new community members quite quickly.
That's where the vote-down system comes. It clearly labels how much the community approves of a given opinion, and it shouldn't be used just for spam.
According to Ruben, this is not the way the voting system was intended to be;
the minus sign was invented just for the sake dealing with troll posts, not opinions you disagree with.
Sure, that's what Ruben thinks, but that doesn't mean that's what the system should keep on being.
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