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Masaru Suzuqi
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There is a very famous weekly manga magazine called Weekly Shonen Jump in Japan.
When I was a elementary and a junior high school boy, I was a fanatical fun of DragonBall. Every monday, we can buy the magazine. About 20 manga titles are included in the magazine. Probably every boy of my junior high school was reading the magazine then. DragonBall was overwhelming popular. Probably most boys or possibly every boy must have read it on mondays. I just could not wait for monday to read DragonBall. Each of manga artists of Jump draws about 20 pages a week. I don't remember well other titles except SlumDunk. But also DragonBall got dull because editors usually have a habit of forcing poplular writers to keep continuing their works. (btw royalties are usually under 10%, it seems)
I lost interest in DragonBall and stopped to buy Jump. After a few years, I started buying Jump again and then Taizo Moteking Saga started. That was the second time for me to be able to feel that feeling, I cannot wait for monday.
Every week I got a big laugh, sometimes I got a great laugh. It is really my favorite manga. Too funny.
Of course I bought his comic books. They wtiters usually publish their works they drew in magazines in book form after a few months.
They usually add a short comment on their comic books. The writer of Taizo (Taizo is the hero who got boiled water) has written an interesting comment on a book, it was summary of reaction from readers of Jump. They writers receive fan mail from readers. The writer cited some of fan mail in the short comment. It was like...

> It was great! Keep at it!

> It was terrible.

> That parody of **** (other popular title in Jump) was great! Do more it! (He uses parody quite often)

> You are the lowest of the low to make parody of ****. Never do that again.

> I hope your work will never come to a end.

> Go to Hell!!!!

"Reactions to the same manga work and this difference... as I expected, WAR WILL NOT DISAPPEAR FROM THE WORLD." (his comment)

I didn't understand why they were so angry. The manga was just so much fun. And I wondered why they read the manga. If they don't like some manga, they don't have to read them. The writer also has muttered the same question modestly. But he concluded, "Well, it might be better than ignoring." Btw, a brief summary of the story is that somehow or other Taizo keep hitting on every bit of cute girl inspite of deeply unpopular with girls. Girls always take him knock around but he always takes the knocks. And the servant always plots a chance to laugh Taizo's misery and keeps a straight face.

andyprough
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My son was a Dragon Ball fan. He had several years worth of Shonen Jump and would read them over and over. I never could understand it at all.

Masaru Suzuqi
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You have Shonen Jump in your country... I am glad to hear that. Your son might have tried spouting kamehameha in private. I have. But just once. I failed but someday someone might achieve it. I found the English version. I am going to buy it. My half soul is made with Dragon Ball so I know the lines it by heart.

andyprough
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You think kamehameha is possible for a human? Seems more like a god or a demon would do that.

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I think the logic of DBZ is nonexistent, as someone who used to be way to obsessed with it.

For one thing, there are many times where if you emitted the amount of energy they did, the planet would implode. That show was merely for fun I think. Frieza almost kills namek with a destructo beam. Weaker than Goku SSJ.

Goku goes SSJ3 planet doesn't explode.

See logic!

not really...

Vegeta in SSJ2 form suicides to kill Majin Buu but the planet also doesn't explode. I don't buy that bs. xD

The list is probably longer than this, but yeah. I was once a very devoted crazy fanboy. But now I regret that.

Don't get me wrong, the characters in that show are more powerful than any other anime characters that I know of...

but that doesn't make a good show. I am glad they aren't real. sheesh...

as for the original question of demon or God...

Depends on the class of demon, if its Satan I fear he could do it.

but God ultimately can in the smallest moment of time possible, end everything if he so choose, so he could do that easily.

Masaru Suzuqi
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That is a show for children. Why are you guys talking about it so seriously. How old are you? Don't you have any shame? And such your criticising about the power of those energy beams have already been discussed by numerous regular guys and numerous times besides more in detail, thoroughly. However, some manga works indeed belong to time image. From that perspective, yes it is worth to talk about it even for adult philosophers.

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I had two points to make, one that the show is very creative to the point of no realism, and two: there is a partial reason I lost interest in it, one: I was bullied alot about my fandom online, (when I was naive enough to think people valued my opinions) two, looking back one-two years ago, I decided there were better animes out there. (as long as it isn't the one with that evil shinigami.) Not Bleach either... btw.
Think anti hero then think shinigami who is never punished for sending a human into total darkness. Then you get the perfect storm for some really hateful anime that never should've been made. *EVER*

Ps, the fanbase of this anime ignores the *REAL* bad guy I speak of to focus on the anti hero who doesn't realize he has poisoned with the forbidden fruit which will make him eventually rot inside and die.

https://www.quora.com/Who-is-the-most-evil-character-in-Death-Note

Ryuk is the evilest character in this anime.

PS, yes it is Death note, that anime literally is *HELL*

and Ryuk should have been given a punishment infinity times worse than Light Yagami.

Also, if anyone says Light Yagami was pure evil, they are fooling themselves especially if you watch the whole series...

The episodes where he forgets the Death Note exists, he tries to figure out the people who are causing the crimes. Thus..

he is not pure evil. He is just tainted with the power Ryuk gave him.

The thing that bugs me about this is, the entire fanbase ignores this, and tries to act like Light deserved to die.

This is a falsehood. He needed to die, but he was not evil on his own. Ryuk is the one who is and I "*Pure Evil*"

Thus, the fanbase is full of devils.

This is more of my exact thoughts:

https://www.quora.com/Was-Light-actually-evil-or-was-it-the-Death-Notes-effect-on-him

ps, I know its off-topic, but I felt like venting about this anime, because it is pure evil, just like the creator himself and his sick idea of justice.

Thankfully such animes are rare in the America at this time. Or at the least, are harder to find and/or I haven't heard of them yet.

I mean come on man, giving someone absolute power just to entertain yourself... that's just sick man.

andyprough
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> ps, I know its off-topic, but I felt like venting about this anime, because it is pure evil, just like the creator himself and his sick idea of justice.

It's the troll lounge, I don't think there's any concern about on topic or off topic. Besides which, your post seems perfectly on topic for this thread.

Good post. Interesting that you and Masaru both point out that the Manga world has many unethical business people and even fans. Once again, I think if they published under an open creative commons license it could make the community much better.

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Dunno, I think an idea like Death Note has very little light at the end of the tunnel.

If I could end the story though, I would probably have Ryuk die, Near die, (Because he is an arrogant prick) and Light kill himself at the end due to grief of what he had become.
*NO one is beyond redemption* As for if people want it, that's different.

I tend to think the hardcore fans of death note and the creator of death note may fall in line with the category, if they believed Light deserved to die and didn't consider Ryuk deserving of an even greater anguish.

Did you look at the links at all btw? Those opinions mostly fall in line with my thoughts.

andyprough
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I did, but it's a bit beyond my ability to easily understand. My comics were Batman and the Fantastic Four in the 1970's. My son read a lot of Manga, but try as I might I could not really understand it.

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Trust me, you are better off not going anywhere near this manga...

It's about an anti hero who essentially tries to be God by using the power of this special notebook to kill people.

He doesn't realize when he first uses it the danger it would pose, or that it is like a crack addiction in that if you use it once, you want to keep using it.

He thinks he can use it to wipe out all crime, but as time passes he becomes more and more evil. But, Ryuk the Shinigami basically randomly throws it and Light Yagami the anti hero, picks up the notebook.

Ryuk's reason for doing this? Entertainment... and he knows full well, the human who does this will die, etc... and all the problems that erupt from it.

That is the most evil reason I can think of to potentially poison a human with good intentions till they become almost pure evil. ;/

*for the love of GOD, do not read/watch this manga/anime.*

The ending drove me mad for many years. It still has a scar within my life, and it still tries to fill me with hatred of the horrible fanbase, etc...
I wasn't really mature back then at all, but even mature people probably will be horrified by this. I would imagine it would be nothing but depressing.

meh... once again, I say too much.

Just remember my warning *this manga/anime is a large sample of the taste of hell*

ps, even as mature as I am now, I want to warn people about this, because I don't want anyone to suffer like I did.

andyprough
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> He thinks he can use it to wipe out all crime, but as time passes he becomes more and more evil.

That outcome is pretty easy to predict. "Let's just kill the criminals" always is going to devolve into evil and widespread butchery. The early decades of Soviet Russia and of Maoist China had many such instances, as did the early decades after the French revolution. And those are just three of many, many examples in history.

The Taliban in Afghanistan is an interesting example. At different points in their history, they have been seen by some of the local communities as liberators against local warlords or local opium drug traders or local terror groups. But ultimately they themselves tend to get caught up in the opium drug trade, human trafficking, terror camps, etc. And they become the oppressors of the people who called on them to liberate them from other oppressors.

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Yep, my main problem though is one: ryuk gets away with being a devil, and two light yagami otherwise would have been a good person if he hadn't been given that book of evil. Aka, it warped his mind...

But I grow weary of this now, I have lost interest in this for now... its just well... sad.

Masaru Suzuqi
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We must to be

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andyprough
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> That is a show for children. Why are you guys talking about it so seriously. How old are you? Don't you have any shame?

That's very funny, especially when reading your first post.

Masaru Suzuqi
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When I tried that, I noticed if it was actually emitted, it could destroy my house and the next door house. So I think that I turned toward the windows and emitted it to the sky but I think that I must have not opened the windows. If I succeeded in it, I could afford to buy such windows...

andyprough
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With great power comes great responsibility, Masaru.

Masaru Suzuqi
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Yep, seems true... If Sayen was going to attack the earth, maybe the strongest professional fighters must fight against Vegeta and Nappa... Well, actually if U.S.Army bombards their spaceships with nuclear bombs, maybe it is enough though. Btw the word Sayen is a pun of the word yasai. Yasai means vegitable. It might be well-known too, though. Akira Toriyama writes in the short comment that he was asked others to get rid of the creepy black bug and then he took the bug with his hand and got rid of the bug, then others were like, "Eww..."... He was complaining that but they asked, so he did. There was a rumor that he was enthusiastic about a religion, now I guess he might have been a jain or something. But even if I was a jain, I would not be able to do that. His love seems to be too much, too.

andyprough
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Do you think that a story like DragonBall could be made with totally libre software and libre hardware? I wonder what it would take?

Blender
Talos Raptor II with 2 28-core Power9 CPU's
A discrete AMD video card running on libre drivers
Tons of memory and drive space, including NVMe SSD drives
Some kind of Manga comic drawing software that is libre
A digital drawing pen and pad that have libre drivers

You could probably make a lot of money selling the comics and videos. It would probably be the first fully libre Manga. Release it under an open creative commons license, and let other Manga fans fork it and write about its characters.

Masaru Suzuqi
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I have been thinking a way of supporting young ambitious people who desire to be a manga artist.
Publishers of the manga world seem to be worse than the film world. In the film world, I don't know the current situations but many film directors have complained about the film industry. It seems that producers tend to exercise their power by changing a plot, the cast, use my lover as a hero, Beethoven said that he could not move even one note to the pope, all of young artists must have the pride. The editors of publishers do censorship. They let artists change the plots. Unbelievably they even say they "created" those popular manga works finally. There must be many people who failed to continue their works on those magazines. They editors must have exercised the power while the artists had the chance to be able to write works on the magazines. That is contaminating. I call it contaminating. The pope should have written his own work. They have no right to contaminate other's works. Even if laws forgive it, I don't forgive it. If they want to do it, they should retire from editing if their charge of manga works failed. They don't have the responsibility. They are still sitting the chair of the publishers and taking high salary. I'm afraid that probably royalties are usually under 10%. That is nothing but exploiting. The system. They also should write their own works or make every effort to "support" the manga artists. I'm not sure what you want to say but nowadays young people themselves can publish their works online freely. But they might need support for other troubles. The publishers must have been supporting the artists in those troubles strongly but absolutely under 10% is exploiting. Obviously it is not fair. I'm not sure what you want to say, but I got some of new ideas about how to support them. They would want to make their works freely with their responsibility, win or lose. They would be disgusted that despite the editors have contaminated their works, the editors did not take the responsibility even if their works failed.
I think that every human should be an artist. Even if it takes 50 years to make one good work, we should aim to break the top work that like Bernini's instead of infesting and contaminating. I wonder why they like contaminating so much. Maybe because many people give up to be an artist in the system, I guess.

andyprough
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> I'm not sure what you want to say, but I got some of new ideas about how to support them. They would want to make their works freely with their responsibility, win or lose. They would be disgusted that despite the editors have contaminated their works, the editors did not take the responsibility even if their works failed.

You've made good points about the editors and their greed. What I'm trying to say is that free software, free (libre) computers, and creative commons licensing could make it possible for more people to be creative in Manga.

Masaru Suzuqi
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Yes there is possibility... btw recently I was reassembling X60s. Lastly, I was screwing the bolt of the hdd cover. Then the bolt fell down. And I could not find the bolt somehow. But after a short while, I noticed something rattling inside the laptop. I thought something came off so I started to disassemble it again. Firstly I took the hdd cover off and then the bolt fell from the space of the hard disk. There was no hdd. So there was empty. But I wondered how the bolt had entered the space. I checked whether or not there was something hole or something on the surface that could lead to the space but it seems there is no such hall on the surface. Or is there? That was one of "This is God power...". What was that. Off-topic...??

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> But I wondered how the bolt had entered the space. I checked whether or not there was something hole or something on the surface that could lead to the space but it seems there is no such hall on the surface. Or is there? That was one of "This is God power...".

You think God dropped your screw in your empty hard drive case? Or that you did it through God-power? Sorry to say, but I have my doubts. I think God probably doesn't do the little things. Could be a naughty demon though!

Masaru Suzuqi
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Or an alien?

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Ah... Jain... you mean like Hidan from Naruto?

Jain is a type of cult if I remember correctly... a cult-like religion.

andyprough
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> Jain is a type of cult if I remember correctly... a cult-like religion.

Jainism is an ancient religion in India, with 4-5 million modern day followers. It has many concepts in common with Buddhism and Hinduism.

Masaru Suzuqi
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I think that these sentences explain well the common feelings of Japanese toward religion.
From Wikipedia (google translation):

"According to an opinion poll conducted by the Yomiuri Shimbun on August 6 and 7, 2005, 75% of those who chose the option "do not believe in religion (no religion or atheism)" Those who chose "believe" were down 11 percent compared to 34 percent in the 1979 survey, at 23 percent. As for "Do you ever wanted to scrape with God or Buddha?", 54% answered "Yes" and 44% answered "No" ("Do not believe in religion" Of those who chose, 47% answered "Yes." "For a happy life, 35% chose" I think big ", 60% chose" I do not think "[28].

The majority of modern Japanese people are actually involved in easy-to-understand religious ceremonies, but the sense of belonging to a particular religious organization is weak, and many consider themselves "non-religious". "No religion", unlike atheism that denies the existence of God or Buddha, believes in what it is, but does not recognize it as religion, and it is all personality in particular religious organization or doctrines It means that it is not a result.

Also, under the influence of the Aum Shinrikyo subway sarin incident and the terrorist attacks on the United States due to the Islamic fundamentalist organization, "people who are enthusiastic about religion are dangerous people" and risk to the special religious activities of established religions and emerging religions. There is a widespread awareness of risk."

Masaru Suzuqi
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So I think that most Japanese would have the common feelings that those religions are all cultish (except Buddhism). When we meet a person who is religious, we feel a certain kind of cautiousness.
I feel that other countries's situations might differ from our country's, but in Japan, computer geeks have a similar reputation. Basically computer geeks are supposed to be gloomy, especially by women. A certain notorious web forum spurs the feelings very much. But in fact computer geeks are usually gloomy, in my feelings too. Of course there are jolly computer geeks but they seem to be minority. That must be one of the reasons why there are only few Japanese people who have an interest in computer security. Using Linux could cause to be unpopular with girls unless they are decent sysadmins or something. Using Windows is safety. Mac is much better. Something like that. Topics are extending to some threads though.

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> but in Japan, computer geeks have a similar reputation. Basically computer geeks are supposed to be gloomy, especially by women. A certain notorious web forum spurs the feelings very much.

Don't you also have the big problem of hikikomori (ひきこもり or 引きこもり) in Japan? The boys and men who refuse to leave their bedroom in their parents house for years? I read there were up to one million hikikomori in Japan.

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Ah okay, maybe I am thinking of the way it was interpreted in naruto.

My bad...

Yeah... Naruto Shippuden's version of it, is to the extreme and beyond. ;)

Masaru Suzuqi
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Yes yes that's it. That's bad. What Hikikomori is doing is supposed mainly to compute. Then naturally most of them are diagnosed as mental illness, at worst. Then there are reraly normal doctors then they fall over prescription, it pressures Japanese finances, media report, etc etc. It is a deflationary spiral.
I think that basically the cause is the issue of communication. They are too sensitive. And additionally the natural feelings that why do I have to work 10 hours 6 days? I can understand the feelings but... that's bad.
It seems that so-called developed countries also have a similar issue. An author has mentioned that they cannot do hikikomori if they could not afford to do it. Please do something Andy. Hikikomori cannot find a woman. Btw young Japanese tend not to want a car. Young couples seem not to care of moving by trains, buses. When I was young, I had refused to kiss a girl. After the event, the girl got a boyfriend and he had a car! I realized I needed a car. But from the beginning, I wanted a private space with my girl friend.
I have recently heard that they also tend not to want even a girl friend! or it might have been a lover from the context. I'm not sure. We were talking about FaceBook. I told it must be difficult to cheat on their girl friends because of social media compared to our era. We had a mobile phone but we did not have such trackers. Anyway that's really bad. Basic desire is getting vanished. I also think that they young people know material satisfaction not always don't give them happiness since they have been seeing their parents. They might know comfortable communication is much more important so that might be why they don't have material desires very much . But that is also an important desire, I think. I wanted a cute girl friend, I wanted Ferrari, so I was able to put a lot of time and effort into it...
What do you think about it? Is there something we old men should do for it?