If I install CentOS 6......
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Can I "do a freedora" (any better term for that?), install Linux-libre, and be sure the rest of the repo is libre (OK, ignoring Chromium in case it's in there)?
not sure
but blag is based on fedora so if you don’t get a good answer here try asked the blag pepole
The latest BLAG 200000 Alpha isos can be downloaded from Distrowatch
http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=08668
http://forums.blagblagblag.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5679
Abdur-Rahman Morgan the main developper has annouced a Beta soon.
You can free a Fedora with
http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/freed-ora.en.html
The project is still active despite a very small community
hoping the Beta will bring in more people to the project.
CentOS doesn't has a policy about rejecting proprietary software. Fedora has a partial policy on excluding proprietary software, but they make an exception for firmware which CentOS doesn't according to the GNU project (but this has no sources at all and it is rarely updated). If that is the case, then there will be plenty of proprietary packages in CentOS mixed with free software, not only Linux. I haven't used either system; this is based on the linked pages.
CentOS is a gratis version of Red Hat's Enterprise distribution, which has mostly the same policy as Fedora (the only exception is a trademark restriction on the Red Hat branding, I believe), so any proprietary software that exists in CentOS, other than the firmware Fedora and Red Hat make an exception for, would be there because the CentOS developers added it in. This doesn't create any guarantees about the system in itself, but it means that if such added proprietary software exists, it should be easy to find and filter out.
Why would they? Its basically the enterprise OS rebuilt from source.
>Why would they?
What do you mean? As written, your question is not clear. On the other hand, asking why they should do X, o why they did not X stating what X is, would be a clear question.
I mean't "why would they" in regards to rejecting proprietary software. They have to appease to enterprise clients who want more support and perks than CentOS.
Economical activities ought to be a means to advance society, profit should only be an effect of providing a service to society; companies or individuals who seek otherwise do a harm to society (almost all of them). Proprietary software may be more profitable because it generates artificial scarcity so that the developer then can economically exploit it (but it also hinders the opportunity of collaboration by other parties interested in it, which means better software), not because it provides an higher benefit to society. Developing proprietary software is like selling rotten food to people so that they will first pay you for the food, then again for the medicines. Distributing proprietary software is helping proprietary software developers to succeed in their harmful actions.
Here are some examples in the economic sector of informatics: Thinkpenguin, and Gluglug are committed to provide a real service to society. Facebook, Google, Microsoft and Apple are only interested in serving themselves, sometimes they serve society, and very often they harm it.
I interpret your question “why would they?” as “what motivation do they have?”: the answer is that they should avoid proprietary software because it gives an unfair power to their developers over their users.
They do not “have to appease to enterprise clients who want more support and perks than CentOS”, they chose to do so, and therefore it is not a justification for ignoring the ethics of the respective discipline. See also the essay “Have To” Is a Relative Phrase.
Hi David,
You could try Freedora, however, I suspect it may break some programs as CentOS is, contrary to popular opinion, different from RHEL and Fedora. There are quite a few additional programs and scripts they add into the OS that RHEL and Fedora do not include.
It could be possible to remove the added programs from these CentOS specific repos.: (under section 14 of Q&A)
https://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General#head-4b2dd1ea6dcc1243d6e3886dc3e5d1ebb252c194
Also, there are quite a few changes going on over there, they are in the process of being taken under the wing, so to speak, of RH, and over the next year they will launch a "new" CentOs with changes from this "merger". You may find these links useful.
https://www.centos.org/about/
https://www.centos.org/about/governance/
It will be interesting to see how much it can remain a "community" program now that RH has direct influence over its Board of Directors.
PS: Most of the people involved with Blag are running Fedora 21 or 22 with Freedora. Which is basically Blag anyway. They are working on removing SELinux and other items from the next Blag as well.
PSS: completely unrelated, but there is a great way to install Parabola via an Arch specific GUI installer if anyone is interested I could post it.
Yes! That would be nice i was struggling on mount/ after partitionioning...Thanks
HuangLao xrote:
PSS: completely unrelated, but there is a great way to install Parabola via an Arch specific GUI installer if anyone is interested I could post it.
Here you go Mangy....
Start with the Evo/Lution Arch installer, it uses a very easy Installer to give you Vanilla Arch with Arch repos. You choose your DE, DM, etc... Pay attention to your mount points and read each step carefully, it is a breeze once you do that. You may want to run it once through a VM for practice. http://www.evolutionlinux.com/
Then go to Parabola's site and follow the instructions on converting an Arch install to Parabola. You run a few scripts and switch the repo's to point to Parabolas and BAM, you have a GNU/Linux Libre OS that is bleeding edge and contrary to popular belief fairly stable. Not server stable but stable still.
https://www.parabola.nu/
This deserves a seperate topic :)
A seperate forum actually but name another libre OS with a forum!
No, do not use the Freed-ora repos, as these track kernel changes in Fedora and will not install the correct kernel for CentOS.
Just compile the GNU/Linux-Libre equivalent of CentOS's current kernel, this is what I do. In CentOS 7, the kernel is currently 3.10, so I go to GNU Linux-Libre's LATEST-3.10.0 and compile that. From there it is possible to use CentOS in a completely libre manner, just be conscious as to what packages you use. CentOS follows the same policy of Red Hat/Fedora (which while under direction of Red Hat does remain community driven, even correctly using 'free' over 'open' in most cases) which does insist on free packages (aside from the kernel containing blobs, but, linux-libre fixes that).
The only glaring error I can find in Fedora and Red Hat/CentOS' packages is the use of Firefox and other Mozilla trademarked packages, but you can easily avoid those and use their free counterparts.
However, having said all that, this is a Trisquel forum and this is mildly off topic. If you would like any other support in using CentOS in a truly libre manner, I can help via PM.
Thanks for the replies! (by the way, I was specifically wanting to use CentOS, and not Fedora)
So the answer's no, then.
with regards to freedora and CentOS that seems correct, however, "rmmmusical's" reply seems very interesting and should work with little trouble.
Yeah, certainly very interesting!
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