The problems that exist with DuckDuckGo and Startpage
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I love both search engines, especially DuckDuckGo when I can quickly use a ! and search a crapload of sites and Startpage is pretty reliable. Both sites don't track you and allow you to search Google's and Bing's search engines in the most private way possible through http or https.
The big problem though is that DuckDuckGo is reliant on Bing and Startpage is reliant on Google. I know that many of you don't support the ethics of either company, but are you comfortable in having some reliance on them no matter what?
I don't know if there are any truely open search engines out there that don't rely on either two that can come close to the results. I bet that some of you have known of a couple in the past, but they were probably low on resources and shut down.
Where do you get that DuckDuckGo uses Bing? You didn't defend this point when it was challenged a while back.
Also, Seeks.
They list it at
http://help.duckduckgo.com/customer/portal/articles/216399-sources.
https://duck.co/topic/did-you-know-that-duckduckgo-bing
Comment from the developer himself:
"We do use results from Bing. Our zero-click info and some other stuff we do, however, uses results from all over. You'll see for instance if you do sort by date, you'll get a uses results from blekko message. Bing and other API providers would like attribution and so I'm testing out the UI."
But I agree with Seeks. Their nodes suck however.
The only one I use is seeks.hsbp.org. Valid CACert https certificate and doesn't share your anonymous searches in the sidebar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duckduckgo#Features
They also list Yahoo but I believe Bing powers Yahoo search.
I find YaCy interesting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YaCy (GPLv2)
It is somewhat resource intensive though.
I am a translator!
I use both services, and yes, it does somewhat bother me that they run on the back of much less scrupulous search engines. But a search engine, to be effective, is a tremendous undertaking in code and server-side hosting, and I doubt either one could make a competent search engine itself.
One thing I WOULD like to see, though, it DuckDuckGo deferring to StartPage for image and video results. That would be more secure ... forwarding an image search directly to Google DOES result in getting tracked. Unfortunately, I feel like there is some sort of commercial competition between the two that prevents them cooperating.
There is a !s bang for DDG that takes you Startpage. I do agree that the image and video bangs should take to Startpage and keep the !gi for Google Images just in case you need it. I do like that the Google redirects are under https by default.
On 01/04/13 01:42, name at domain wrote:
> I love both search engines, especially DuckDuckGo when I can quickly
> use a ! and search a crapload of sites and Startpage is pretty
> reliable. Both sites don't track you and allow you to search
> Google's and Bing's search engines in the most private way possible
> through http or https.
>
> The big problem though is that DuckDuckGo is reliant on Bing and
> Startpage is reliant on Google. I know that many of you don't
> support the ethics of either company, but are you comfortable in
> having some reliance on them no matter what?
>
> I don't know if there are any truely open search engines out there
> that don't rely on either two that can come close to the results. I
> bet that some of you have known of a couple in the past, but they
> were probably low on resources and shut down.
Even if DDG and StartPage shut down like Scroogle did, I'm confident
that others will pop up. Some of the DDG code is made available as free
software as well.
YaCy is an interesting idea, but I have tried using it a number of times
in the past and it has not worked. I mostly got timeout errors on the
homepage.
Andrew.
Might I suggest sommat like ixquick?
Made by the same people who made startpage, but does not use Google, Bing, or Yahoo.
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I love the idea of YaCy, and have an instance installed on my server, but to be honest the search results are crap and it's painfully slow. Also the user interface is pretty terrible.
However, if enough people start using it then that could all change. It just needs some publicity to get off the ground, and improved user-friendliness.
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aka it needs money in the form of crowdfunding, donations, or commercial backing.
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Yes and no. Money may help, but it's not necessary to develop a nice user interface.
And as for publicity, a good social media campaign can be as effective as anything a PR comany or commercial advertisement could do.
Not sure what they'd use the money for.
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Money helps so the devs don't starve and pass out on the computer. :-)
http://www.faroo.com/#q=&s=1&l=en&src=web
a dht search with web frontend, the results vary much though.
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