Proposal: We should stop shipping Gnash
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This isn't a promotion of the proprietary Flash plugin and I'm certainly not encouraging anyone to install it, but what I will say that I think we should stop shipping Gnash by default.
I've been using Gnash for a long time and hoping it would get better with time, but I'm just not seeing it.
I have the utmost respect for Rob and the work that he and the rest of the hackers are doing on the plugin and player, but I just don't think it's up to par with the rest of the free software we ship by default in Trisquel - outside of essentially YouTube none of the Flash sites I visit work even close to properly, and the inability to properly disable Gnash is a pain, but a whole different issue altogether. I'd rather, at the quality of Gnash, be shown nothing at all than whatever this plugin attempts to do.
Don't get me wrong, Gnash can still be in our repository, but I don't think it should be installed by default or a dependency of metapackages installed by default.
The only way I've found to uninstall Gnash from my system is to also remove packages trisquel-desktop-common-recommended and trisquel-gnome-base-recommended. This will mean that given updates to these I will simply not get the the updates - that's not particularly appropriate and I'd rather wish to keep them, but only were they Gnash-free.
You can just disable the plugin from the add-ons menu.
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I see Gnash working out well for two purposes atm: flash based adverts don't start playing when the site loads and require me to click on "play now" first. Also gnash plays back youtube videos that are embedded somewhere else. Besides that, it isn't of much use. Afaik some flash based games can be played with it, but that's all.
It never bothered me, I've configured abrowser in a way, that gnash is the last thing it tries when playing back videos, so it never gets in the way of some other plugin that is more likely to play back the video. Also, if someday it will become better, I'll automatically notice it because more videosites will run properly.
I actually think we should ship Gnash out of pause mode.
Also, the intention of Gnash is executing code which probably is
non-free. Maybe it should be tweaked to something similar to the libreJS
aim. Maybe we can suggest some kind of solution to the current
developers of Gnash.
It's not a matter of being able to disable it - it's not up to par with the software we ship.
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This does bring up a good point. It is the difference between playing keep up to developing a market of our own for free software. The revolutionary I think would do the later. Why are we trying to support sites that are hostile to free software? The alternatives to the mainstream need funding and the only way they are going to get it is if we all work together.
Trisquel GNU/Linux indeed is a distro for a fringe group, a ubuntu for the proprietary software challenged.
I'm sorry I can't comment on the actual subject since I don't use Gnash. I guess that does add one data point however for what it's worth.
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