What is the Point of Add/remove Applications
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... when I am (seemingly) constantly told by the add/remove application that it cannot remove chosen application and that I need to use the synaptic package manager instead.
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I find that kind of funny. Though if it is true it is a serious problem. I'm pretty bad about using the GUI. I've tried to wean myself off the terminal although am not doing a great job of it. I should try removing the terminal software from a system sometime.
Oh I have no problems using CLI apt-get etc. but if I want to remove 'MyProgamme' for instance I can never tell through anything other than trial and error if the apt-get uninstall command has to refer to 'MyProgramme' or GTK2-MyProgramme or MyProgrammeQt4-main and so on (I hope you get my point).
Point and click and saying remove this application please is simpler.
Yes I can do that in Synaptic Package Manager, but little thought has gone into 'ease of use', I have to know to click installed programmes then hopefully MyProgramme is called 'MyProgramme' (and not as I mentioned before something more arcane) and then I can remove it.
You don't need to remove the terminal software :), just try using the UI for a week and you will see why Linux is not really that friendly (or rather, as friendly as it could be) to the average user.
It's better than it used to be, but something as basic as this - use a program called add/remove programs that doesn't actually remove anything and tells you to use something called 'package manager' (but I don't want to 'manage a package' I want to uninstall a program.
It's little things like this that frustrate me as a user.
Especially as it is installed by default. This isn't Trisquel's fault of course.
gnome-app-install /is/ a package manager, just not as powerful as Synaptic, and Synaptic isn't command-line. Reading this post makes me think you don't know this.
I don't know if Synaptic is shown in the menus by default, but if it isn't, it's in Settings.
Well, it can usually remove packages just fine, but it can't do it if another package is dependent on it, while Synaptic can.
It's a problem, but I still like gnome-app-install better than Synaptic, personally. Of course, if you prefer to use Synaptic, you can change the menu to show Synaptic instead of gnome-app-install.
"Well, it can usually remove packages just fine, but it can't do it if another package is dependent on it, while Synaptic can."
Thanks, I know that of course - but was making the point that why install a program that doesn't actually do what it says, it was one of the first things I did when I just installed Trisquel, so I could remove all the things I don't want. I tried to remove 3 programmes (I cannot recall which now as I am not at that machine) but three attempts and all three different programs told me they couldn't be removed but I have to 'manage their packages instead' when I want to 'remove the applcation' - see my point?
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I have no problem with CLI at all, but why bother with a broken app and have install by default?
It is an older and depreciated Gnome software center that Trisquel still holds on to. Since using the Ubuntu Software Center isn't an option, how about using the one from Linux Mint? Its free software and can easily be tailored for Trisquel.
I swear I'm having deja-vu from having this discussion around a year ago recommending Mint's version.
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It is likely, you discussed using Mint Software Center a year ago, and
will discuss it a year from now; LOL. I'll stick with synapticc, or,
if I know exactly what I want to do, apt-get.
So I've just install Trisquel, then try to remove a program I don't need (three actually), am told I cannot and have to use something else, and now you're saying I should install yet another programme to remove the programmes that doesn't get removed by the programmes that should do it properly?
I don't mean to be cruel - I am playing devil's advocate here - but doesn't that seem faintly ridiculous?
I don't want to tailor. I want to remove the software I don't want.
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It's user-issue like this that frustrate me as a very long time GNU/Linux user. 10 years ago I'd accept this, but not now... not really. This is why I still cannot recommend GNU/Linux to my family and non technical friends. They will try to do this and it won't work.
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Perhaps you should try a KISS-guided distro, like Parabola or Dragora, both 100% FaiF: https://gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
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Trisquel may not be ready for family & friends although GNU/Linux (with some non-free pieces) is more than adequate for a sizable segment of the computer using population. With proper support about 50% of users can be moved to a distribution such as Linux Mint or Ubuntu and not face any major issues. Trisquel is not really lacking much although the support for it is. By that I mean there needs to be more focus on getting commercial entities to support free software operating systems. It would be great for instance if we could get a company to focus on DRM-free movies, music, books, and games that explicitly targets GNU/Linux. There are some interesting alternative solutions to this that I can come up with although I'd be concerned about commenting on them publicly. One I have thought of is putting together a more radical business model to fund entertainment. If you give people the tools, the money, and the opportunity I'm sure there are a slew of people (amateurs) who could produce quality content.
You don't need big budget films, top rate actors, or Hollywood to produce great film. The same is true of other content. What you do need though is a way to wade through it and incentivize capable people.
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You could all-ways install Muon which is in add/remove applications.
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I think the new universal GNOME software manager is called packagekit?
Or, is that an Opensuse-specific thing?
Yes, it's packagekit and it's not specific for any distribution.
Oh, that one... I'm very familiar with that, because that's what Fedora uses (or at least used to use) by default.
"gnome-packagekit" is actually the package you want to install to use it (and it's called "Add/Remove Software" in the menus; you need to unhide it), and to be brutally honest, I hate that GUI for two simple reasons: less importantly, no icons, and more importantly, it doesn't show the actual name of anything, just the short description. That second, glaring flaw in particular makes searching for packages with it a pain in the ass. At the same time, no icons means that it's not very good for just looking through when you're bored one day to find something new to try. On Fedora, it was the program which, when I made the mistake of absent-mindedly using it, my dad would always remind me to ditch because the Yum Extender was far superior (to which my response would be facepalming at my wasted time with packagekit, then immediately installing YumEx and using it).
Use it if you like, I won't judge you... but personally, I much prefer... well, anything else.
Muon brings in KDE dependencies which I do not need. The Mint Software Center is straight up Python and made to work with GTK and Gnome.
I say customize it and make pretty for Trisquel 6 or fork it if it gets to that point. "mintinstall" is just waiting there for the taking and is free software: http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php?release=Maya
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The Ubuntu Software Center isn't terrible. I'd actually probably take a web approach though and develop a plug-in to assist installation. I don't think embedding a browser inside a program is the best idea. The Ubuntu Software Center is basically a clone of CNR (click-n-run) which might even have been a clone of Xandros Networks (although my gut says Xandros Networks was an early clone of CNR- however I think the guy who worked on CNR came from Xandros so I'm not 100% sure- and later moved to Canonical). And CNR was a decent first attempt although CNR (as is the Ubuntu Software Center) also contained a lot of bloat. Lets eliminate that bloat and move to a plug-in web based system.
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