What's wrong with Lineage OS, if there is any?

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GrevenGull
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So Replicant OS is often mentioned as free OS for mobile devices - but there seems to be something holding people back from recommending Lineage.

It feels like the "Signal" thing.. Like on paper Signal would seem like a great app, but there is something something there that's holding people back from recommending it.

Adrian Malacoda

I am a member!

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As I understand it, it's largely the same issue with most Linux based OS's - proprietary drivers and/or firmware. I don't think anything in the userland of LineageOS is non-free but someone more knowledgeable can correct me on that.

Andy
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Perhaps this makes situation clear…?
https://lineageosroms.com/sargo/#extract-proprietary-blobs

LineageOS-PropBlobs-01.png
gaseousness
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"INFORMATION WE HAVE

Certain information (e.g. a device unique anonymized ID, device model, etc.) is transmitted to us solely for the purpose of measuring non-personally identifiable installation metrics"

https://lineageos.org/legal/

nadebula.1984
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It's Google and hardware manufacturers that should be blamed, not LineageOS developers.

Legimet
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Yeah, I'm looking at working on the postmarketos port for my cell phone (the vendor stopped releasing updates after about 2 years) and there will be a lot of blobs needed for hardware support. However, I view this as better than throwing away perfectly usable hardware.

nadebula.1984
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This depends on what device it is. If you unfortunately "own" an Amazon Kindle (or Swindle as RMS calls it), you'd better throw it away.

Legimet
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It's not, it's a low end phone from several years ago, I don't want to promote the company so I won't say which one it is. But if I already had a Kindle, I don't see the harm in running postmarketos on it. After all, it's not like the DRM is built in to the hardware. In my opinion throwing away existing usable hardware and buying new hardware (thereby contributing to pollution, sweatshops, and warlords) is the greater of the two evils.

tonlee
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Does lineageos search for anything google
surveillance? And remove
it, if they find something? I could not
find any statements or people
saying anything about the matter.

If replicant.us discovers google
surveillance in the software, they will remove
it.

Jorah Dawson
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A rejoint: 12/13/2020

LineageOs still has some connections to Google servers.

Captiveportalmode, in order to verify internet connection.
You could disable it with adb or using the Terminal being root:
settings put global captive_portal_mode_0
reboot

Google NTP servers.
Your may change them typing the following:
settings put global ntp_server theserver.youwant. For instance ntp.pool.org servers.
I don't use any server, BTW.

Finally a couple of connections are present:
-Qualcomm Izatcloud servers for downloading gps almanacs.
-Stats.lineageos.org with statistical purposes.

Andy
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A rejoint: 02/02/2020

I know this is similar to the other post but to save you looking:
Got to go with SwissScientist, Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey, Edward Snowden and my own experiences with smartphones and their OSs – use GrapheneOS - if you can survive without google apps. Sure it locks you into Pixel phones but ironically all other phones are less secure – end of…! This is why all security phone vendors like Freedom Phones, Omerta etc rely on GrapheneOS whereas AFAIK none use LineageOS or e.
As you may know I returned an eS7 phone to efoundation for a full refund because of poor security not being as advertised. ephone is forked from LineageOS which has security issues like unlocked bootloader and if you use microg and google app store – why bother…? I have been using self flashed GrapheneOS on a used eBay Pixel 3a for a long time without one issue – lot cheaper than an Omerta Phone…!
Recent review: https://cellularnews.com/mobile-operating-systems/grapheneos-review/

https://omertadigital.com/

Yes - I too have an old S3 mini which I take to be very insecure so it is only rarely used as remote shutter for Samsung NX-mini camera or Navfree.

PublicLewdness
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"Sure it locks you into Pixel phones but ironically all other phones are less secure – end of…"

I wouldn't mind being locked into a Pixel phone if any of them had a removable battery. That's a deal breaker for me. While I am waiting for the software for my Pinephone to mature and possibly money to purchase a Librem 5 I went with a Teracube 2E. Removable 4000 mAh battery; support for /E/ OS. I don't use MicroG or anything from the Google App store though, just F Droid. As for the bootloader, what's keeping people from locking it after installing the OS just like they recommend on the Graphene site ?

Andy
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A rejoint: 02/02/2020

Guess you’re stuck with an insecure phone then..!
For me the dealbreaker was insecurity of other phone ROMs like efoundation, LineageOS etc. By the way what Android update are you on at present – eleven perhaps..? Nine more likely at best, then some downgrade OS to avoid or fix issues – you can see why I demanded a refund…!
As with Trisquel – after GrapheneOS install; just sit back and relax but not blind to new developments. Perhaps battery in my Pixel may be replaced at a phone tech shop when expired. It is often said that, as with my phone, battery charge lasts about seven days – due to lack of google spying, reporting back etc.
You say > “As for the bootloader, what's keeping people from locking it after installing the OS just like they recommend on the Graphene site ?”
As I understand it if you manage to lock the bootloader it stops your Lineage based phone from updating.
Talking about updating – with GrapheneOS you get regular seamless OTA updates – you guessed it – no issues whatsoever. Sit back and relax – cool – as endorsed by Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey and Edward Snowden.

Avron
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A rejoint: 08/18/2020

I have the same view like PublicLewdness with respect to the removable battery but it is not only a matter of replacing the battery, it is also to remove it to be sure I am not spied via the phone.

Then, all phones are insecure as they all have a non free modem firmware. The only way to sit back and relax is to remove the battery.

PublicLewdness
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"Guess you’re stuck with an insecure phone then..!
For me the dealbreaker was insecurity of other phone ROMs like efoundation, LineageOS etc. By the way what Android update are you on at present – eleven perhaps..? Nine more likely at best, then some downgrade OS to avoid or fix issues – you can see why I demanded a refund…!
As with Trisquel – after GrapheneOS install; just sit back and relax but not blind to new developments. Perhaps battery in my Pixel may be replaced at a phone tech shop when expired. It is often said that, as with my phone, battery charge lasts about seven days – due to lack of google spying, reporting back etc.
You say > “As for the bootloader, what's keeping people from locking it after installing the OS just like they recommend on the Graphene site ?”
As I understand it if you manage to lock the bootloader it stops your Lineage based phone from updating.
Talking about updating – with GrapheneOS you get regular seamless OTA updates – you guessed it – no issues whatsoever. Sit back and relax – cool – as endorsed by Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey and Edward Snowden."

Everybody is stuck with an insecure phone as 99.9% of phones require closed source blobs for the modem; wifi; bluetooth; etc and that includes a Pixel phone running Graphene OS. All we can do as users is to try to accept what trade offs we find acceptable in order to get what privacy and security we can. You have simply accepted a different set of trade offs than I have to acheive a slightly different result. I like what Graphene OS has done and what they try to acheieve, I just don't know if it is worth it to me if I have to give up a removable battery which would put an instant shelf life on my device. I like how they have pretty frequent updates; accept one time pay pal donations; and don't waiver from their agenda just to get more users.

One thing I will add is that I don't consider an endoresment from Jack Dorsey to be of any value. What self respecting privacy/security advocate cares what the creator of a toxic, closed source, data mining platform like Twitter has to say ? As for Snowden, well while I respect the man he also endorses options like Signal over Matrix or XMPP even though they require your phone number in order to use it which is a huge privacy/security red flag so it's not like he has a perfect track record.

I should have the option for a Pixel 5 at $33/month in a few months time which will actually only be an increase of $13/month over what I am paying now for an old phone so i'll see how I feel then I guess. At the end of the day we are both better off than if we were using Android itself and we're both happy with our choices so try to see others points of view a bit more.

Andy
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A rejoint: 02/02/2020

Suggest you read and research a little - perhaps even visit GrapheneOS...?
I'm sure that you know better than Edward Snowden so please tell us where you acquired this knowledge or reference? Perhaps inform Omerta and the others that their phones are insecure? Let us know how you get on?
Have you never heard of a Faraday pouch for your device (from Disclabs) which I was using prior to getting GrapheneOS - so much easier than removing and replacing the battery but then, you are located and profiled as soon as you fire it up!
Sounds like a very poor idea to me.

Avron
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A rejoint: 08/18/2020

I visited the GrapheneOS website already. It has a long list of features but they are worded in a highly technical way, it is difficult to understand in which situation is feature is useful and what it ensures exactly and it does not say what is still not mitigated.

I checked the commments from Snowden at https://nitter.net/Snowden/status/1175419013402374145?s=20, they are far easier to understand. First, he does not use a phone, isn't that the clearest?

Then, should he use one, he would physically disconnect the microphone and the camera, so he would not trust GrapheneOS on that. In any case, a Faraday pouch won't stop the phone from listening and reporting later and removing the battery on a phone that allows it is even faster than switching it off.

I can understand that GrapheneOS is useful if you want to use a number of features of the phone but I personally attempt not to use it and I don't put any personal information on it.

Andy
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A rejoint: 02/02/2020

You write... > In any case, a Faraday pouch won't stop the phone from listening....
It sure does just that...
Kills location too... where switching off does not kill.
Much faster than removing battery!
https://faradaybag.com/faraday-bags/

Re Microphone - Snowden:- According to NitroKey, Edward Snowden would use Daniel Micays' modified Android in a smartphone configuration. However, not without unsoldering the microphones. In line with Snowden's tip, the company offers to remove the microphones before purchase. Afterwards, phone calls could only be made via a headset.

Avron
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It sure does just that...

If the phone has an integrated microphone, the pouch won't prevent it from detecting voice, recording and reporting later after the pouch is removed.

Much faster than removing battery!

Opening the S3, removing the battery and closing takes me less than 5s.

In line with Snowden's tip, the company offers to remove the microphones before purchase. Afterwards, phone calls could only be made via a headset.

Excellent. They should also offer to remove wifi, bluetooth and cellular modem.

Andy
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A rejoint: 02/02/2020

> "the pouch won't prevent it from detecting voice"
Do you have any evidence for what you write re Disklabs pouch + S3..?"

> "Opening the S3, removing the battery and closing takes me less than 5s."
Popping S3 in Disklab pouch and closing takes me less than 2s!

> “Excellent. They should also offer to remove wifi, bluetooth and cellular modem.”
Both microphones and acceleration and rotation sensors can be removed. Indeed, acceleration and rotation sensors can be misused as microphones. This physically prevents conversations in the environment from being recorded.
Never mind in a secure padded Disklab pouch!
Phone is dead after period of activity – also on my phone I have switched off both Wifi and Bluetooth and NO apps cannot turn them on...!

According to CellularNews. “In addition, GrapheneOS gives you the option to revoke full network access of any app on your phone — a feature that neither Android nor iOS offers. By revoking an app’s full network access, you can limit its ability to track you and access your data.” Does LineageOS…?

Avron
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Do you have any evidence for what you write re Disklabs pouch + S3..?"

I don't know which product you are referring to exactly. I looked at https://faradaybag.com, I found explanations on testing of shielding radio communications but no claim to be shielding sound.

Does LineageOS…?

I am not sure but I have an app on a tablet running LineageOS on which I revoked network accesss but I forgot how I did and I am now unable to find how to allow it again.

Andy
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A rejoint: 02/02/2020

Thanks - so you have no evidence whatsoever and you are not sure about LineageOS. I think you would be better with GrapheneOS on a Pixel - did you not view the techlore video?

gaseousness
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These instructions might not be correct for your device!

Read this forum topic for prolonged explanation.
Disclaimer

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If you don't use root applications, don't root!

Remember, everything is on YOUR OWN RISK! We are not responsible, if your device doesn't work or has some malfunctions. "
https://f-droid.org/wiki/page/Should_I_root_my_device%3F

Andy
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A rejoint: 02/02/2020

Lineage front page says “And to make your device more secure, lock everything behind an enhanced lock screen.” Are they being honest..?
Oh Dear – more issues with lock screen still allowing functions – option to fully disable the drop down menu while the screen is locked either with pattern or pin/password. Could devs lock people completely out of the status bar so prying eyes can't see the notifications when locked, nor change settings.
Users begging devs whereas one posted - > I recently flashed GrapheneOS and they have this exact feature implemented.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LineageOS/comments/f576q3/a_security_flaw/
Guess he won’t be going back to Lineage OS any time soon. Even though an old post it highlights the difference at the time – and still does…!
How do I disable the notification bar entirely on the lock screen? Answer – it’s not an option on LineageOS – Oh Dear…
https://www.reddit.com/r/LineageOS/comments/odgdh4/how_do_i_disable_the_notification_bar_entirely_on/
So glad that I am using an OS that gets the basics sorted; that’s GrapheneOS – simple.

Andy
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One poster on the other thread referenced another Klutz – lightweight would be too kind.
Saying:- “To sum up, GrapheneOS has vast amounts of closed source files, likely more than an average LineageOS.”
I shall now quote from a reliable source….. the horse’s mouth!
https://lineageosroms.com/sargo/#install-the-platform-tools
Seems an over complicated palava – GrapheneOS was much simpler to install on the same phone….
https://odysee.com/@techlore:3/grapheneos-installation-guide-simple:1
Okay Lineage page instructs you to download and install the Platform Tools from Google – What OMG.
WhatsApp sorry – What’s that; google api’s and Java too: Holy Cr4p OMG – now make directory mkdir -p ~/android/lineage OMG
Then Enter the following to download the repo binary and make it executable: -
curl https://storage.googleapis.com/git-repo-downloads/repo > ~/bin/repo
chmod a+x ~/bin/repo.
OMG whatever next! Holy Shit – Extract Proprietary Blobs – you cannot be serious…?
They, Lineage sure are: in the folder
~/android/lineage/device/google/sargo folder. Then run the extract-files.sh script:
The blobs should be pulled into the ~/android/lineage/vendor/google folder.
Yikes! Are we done yet? No! Where is instruction to lock anything. Are there any steps to mitigate any google api risks or anything else – Er… No.

Andy
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Why do you think Freedom Phones, Omerta, OpenYX, and the Nitro Phone company are all using GrapheneOS and not LineageOS?
As they (Nitro) say…. “LineageOS, CalyxOS, /e/ and other Android distributions essentially rely on the standard Android which only comes with its own selection of apps. GrapheneOS, on the other hand, is an elaborately hardened Android and should therefore be seen as its own operating system. In addition, security updates are often provided late by the distributions mentioned at the beginning.” - “Unfortunately, "Linux for Smartphones" (Replicant) is not yet mature enough for most users. In order to offer our customers a professionally usable, stable and secure smartphone, we have chosen GrapheneOS.”
https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop/product/npo1-nitrophone-1-199
Hey so did I – a long time ago, after returning /e/ phone (forked from Lineage) as not fit for purpose as advertised.
According to CellularNews. “In addition, GrapheneOS gives you the option to revoke full network access of any app on your phone — a feature that neither Android nor iOS offers. By revoking an app’s full network access, you can limit its ability to track you and access your data.” Does LineageOS…? Did I mention proprietary blobs in LineageOS..?
https://cellularnews.com/mobile-operating-systems/grapheneos-review/

Avron
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“Unfortunately, "Linux for Smartphones" (Replicant) is not yet mature enough for most users.

Replicant is not mentioned on the site that you have indicated. By "Linux for smartphone", they probably mean "GNU/Linux distributions for smartphone", such as Mobian, PostmarketOS, PureOS on mobile, etc.

Andy
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A rejoint: 02/02/2020

Yes Avron - you are correct – I snook it in there to save my time writing a derisory piss take of Replicant..! Thank you for your precision – respect.
So as not to be too harsh on this ROM; perhaps Replicant can trash themselves…!
https://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/DeviceStatus
So for example > Replicant 6.0 with 110 open issues “Replicant 6.0 cannot be built with a GNU/Linux distribution that is compliant with the GNU Free System distribution guidelines.” Wo, and this is an excuse for release 6.0 last updated in 2017...OMG so no security updates for 4 years OMG. Hang on a minute guys what did I just read on front page…
“Replicant is a fully free Android distribution running on several devices, a free software mobile operating system putting the emphasis on freedom and privacy/security…”
Are they are joking or taking the piss…?
https://www.replicant.us/
https://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/DeviceStatus
Replicant’s Road Map - If it were not so sad it would be hilarious – look for yourself.
https://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/roadmap
Do they have even one phone that works as advertised..?

So making a choice between the stable, reliable, security hardened GrapheneOS and Replicant or LineageOS, CalyxOS, omniROM, AOKP, /e/ and other Android distributions could not be simpler. That is if Replicant ever replicates into something secure and reliable? Stay Safe All

Avron
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no security updates for 4 years OMG

Everyone using Libreboot is using a version released in 2016 and I have not heard of it being a security problem, but it is a much smaller piece of software of course.

I just got a phone that supports Replicant and installed it (very easy from Trisquel).

Replicant has no protection against modifications by someone having physical access to it so I'd rather keep the phone with me at all times (it is small and I can remove the battery if needed).

Replicant has no protection against malicious software, either directly or by exploiting bugs in other software, so I'd rather install the strict minimum, like phonebook/calendar sync and XMPP, using apps in the Free Software Directory.

I don't know whether it is less secure than if I did the same with GrapheneOS. This makes me think of https://jxself.org/afraid.shtml.

Andy
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You say > Replicant has no protection against modifications by someone having physical access to it...
You say > Replicant has no protection against malicious software, either directly or by exploiting bugs in other software...
Yet you then conclude > I don't know whether it is less secure than if I did the same with GrapheneOS.
Which part of my post did you not understand - do you understand security at all?
Which incomplete, insecure version of Replicant did you install and how many "open issues" does it have? Is your device's hardware secure?
Phew - and I thought /e/ forked from lineage was insecure and had issues...!
Praise be to GrapheneOS

Avron
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Which incomplete, insecure version of Replicant did you install and how many "open issues" does it have?

The version is 6.0 0003.

I am not sure counting issues helps, the most problematic ones are indicated:

Most problematic security issues that need to be fixed:

    The last security update for Android 6 is from October 2017 .
    The Webview browser component is outdated and has security issues because of that (bug #1786).

My protection is not to allow anyone to touch the phone, not install any app, not use the web browser or anything that may rely on it, and not use any non-free firmware (due to that, the phone has no wifi and no bluetooth).

Andy
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Feeling uneasy as we are going off topic – we should be discussing Lineage, not Replicant in depth here..? Could you start a Replicant topic please?
So you have downloaded and installed insecure Replicant 6 with 110 open issues that has not been updated in 4 years onto an insecure device! Yes; issues are important and I find it shocking that Replicant with so many issues has to break them down into three categories. Unbelievable!
Please buy a forensic grade Faraday pouch from Disklabs uk for your phone.
Having tried three, I cannot imagine a worse OS ROM….

Andy
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A rejoint: 02/02/2020

Why Lineage OS is not Best Android Rom ?
Uploaded by Game of Roms
You will have to get used to the accent of the tester; much easier after a pause and running it again.

https://tube.cadence.moe/watch?v=_tTrN9tqCRU

I could add a shedload more reasons but there again, are there any LineageOS users interested in security...?
Please do not forget; as with pharmaceutical products and vaccines, India is also huge in IT with mega smartphone user base and some very knowledgeable professionals.

gaseousness
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"Perhaps battery in my Pixel may be replaced at a phone tech shop when expired. It is often said that, as with my phone, battery charge lasts about seven days – due to lack of google spying, reporting back etc."

Modern apple dumbphones have a long battery life, but they are no doubt snooping? Removing the batteries is done to be more sure that one is preventing being spied on through cell towers, microphone, etc.,?

"So you have downloaded and installed insecure Replicant 6 with 110 open issues that has not been updated in 4 years onto an insecure device"

Any android has severely out of date linux kernel though, at least replicant aren't appearing to be lying and using laughable non-free "security"?

"There is one huge caveat when using a kernel like this. The number of security fixes that get backported are not as great as with the latest LTS release, because the traditional model of the devices that use these older LTS kernels is a much more reduced user model. These kernels are not to be used in any type of “general computing” model where you have untrusted users or virtual machines, as the ability to do some of the recent Spectre-type fixes for older releases is greatly reduced, if present at all in some branches."
http://www.kroah.com/log/

Andy
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You are by your own admission - "basically like a complete novice when it comes to dumbphones" it shows like a beacon!

gaseousness
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I am what by my own admission? I don't follow.

*Meant to respond here? https://trisquel.info/en/forum/re-secure-smartphone-graphene-os-google-pixel-4a

Andy
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A rejoint: 02/02/2020

Some of us remember - Apple Settles ‘Batterygate’ Lawsuit For $113 Million – it was a huge scandle in UK too – Global fashionistas! Others put cost at half a billion dollars!
Breaking Nov 18, 2020
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/11/18/apple-settles-batterygate-lawsuit-for-113-million/
While in Europe - European consumer groups tell Apple to give €60 to everyone affected by iPhone battery scandal or face legal action – and in France…
https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple-demand-batterygate-3792378/
Would you by an iPhone based on battery life or crow about it on a forum…? No, me neither.
To address gaseousness > Modern apple dumbphones have a long battery life – what evidence is there for this brash statement – is it yet more distraction and jive?
According to techlore the iPhone though extremely fast, got so hot it had to be given a break between benchmark testing. As anybody with basic knowledge will tell you that heat is generated with power from the battery and as Apple will warn you of high temperatures being detrimental to your phone and battery life.
Well after wasting much time best I could get was ‘Longest battery life ever in an iPhone’. But as they said it turns out there were no specifics only a disclaimer ‘Battery life varies by use and configuration’. How long does Apple guarantee their iPhone batteries for…? What’s in the small print tcs disclaimers etc..?
I am quite happy for others to judge the efficacy or veracity of the jive! I’m none too bothered but hate our members being given bogus false information – hence this post.

gaseousness
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LOL, it's the truth IRL? That forbes link was relating to crapple dumbphones from 2016, these days they know how to snoop with longer battery lives? Snooping is not the same as some sort of benchmark? High heat probably is not good for any lithium ion?

"Battery life varies by use and configuration"
That's not the same on other phones? If you could take out the battery would be ideal, and great to avoid being spied on?

Andy
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It was clear that a bit of background history was required to establish Apple's credentials - you missed the point - again.
I say your statement > Modern apple dumbphones have a long battery life is complete utter cr4p - again.
Where is your evidence...?

gaseousness
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"Where is your evidence...?"

Uncommon sense, and what happens in real life? Someone I know in real life iThing can last for a long time without having to charge up again. It has nothing to do with any crapple vs google. If crapple again decides to install some malware for non-free planned obsolesce I'm not arguing against, just saying really looks like they've gotten better with longer short term battery life on one charge. Also, that battery life may not be the best way to try and measure if you are being spied on and by how much? Maybe controlling nearby cell phone towers and personal router would be better way to start to know more for sure?

Andy
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We are talking about two separate issues here I was talking about the lifespan of the battery as in your > " Modern apple dumbphones have a long battery life"
and asked for any evidence.
You now seem to have craftily switched to recharge frequency...!
Nice try Dude! Either way you have no evidence; so may I submit as before and point up deliberate lack of clarity by Apple. Generating that much heat - unique to iPhone AFIK - must increase battery charging frequency AND shorten the lifespan of the battery itself.
The only time my cheap Pixel 3a gets moderately warm is when it is being charged. As posted before the charging frequency is usually seven days with moderate use of phone, texts, browser and webmail. I usually charge when down to about 7%.
ps: my ebike gets let down to zero miles left then full charge gives eco range of 203 miles (327km) when new it was 173 miles so strangely seems to be getting better with age from 2018
pps: NYT tracked Trump in real time via his bodyguard's iPhone!

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gaseousness
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LOL, you literally said in message 12 " Perhaps battery in my Pixel may be replaced at a phone tech shop when expired. It is often said that, as with my phone, battery charge lasts about seven days – due to lack of google spying, reporting back etc."

"Nice try Dude! Either way you have no evidence"

Not that hard to ask people in real life if their newer iThings seem to last longer on battery?

I would not consider this to be good "evidence" due to vendored rigged studies, false marketing, but? https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/iphone-13-battery-life-adds-several-hours-to-a-single-charge-apple-says/

Side note:
"“Battery life” is the amount of time a device runs before it needs to be recharged. “Battery lifespan” is the amount of time a battery lasts until it needs to be replaced."
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208387
^ Good enough for technically terminology that we can live with?

Andy
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A rejoint: 02/02/2020

I never use the "my friend says" trick in a desperate attempt to validate my post - it's so cheesy it's untrue!
Yes; been to apple pages read all that but cannot find Apple's battery guarantee.
Lifespan of the battery is simple to understand as is recharge frequency...!
More importantly both are devoid of ambiguity.

Apple got a half billion dollars fine and costs whilst still conning the public over batteries - perhaps you too?
They got fined how much in Europe too over battery claims - perhaps you missed that too?
Did not bother with your other link - apple says....
A fishmonger never cries stinking fish!

gaseousness
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"I never use the "my friend says" trick in a desperate attempt to validate my post"

You do use personal experience, but others can't, apparently, and I'm not desperate, if it turned out that crapples ithings don't last longer than older crapple ithings did, guess that I was mistaken, not a big deal can happen to anyone. And it's obviously not a trick unless untrustworthy friends you have that want to trick you, that's not very friendly? I'm not arguing with you that crapple hasn't added some malware, some meaningless public scandal, wouldn't surprise me. But guess what, planned obsolesce is still a thing and my notion that they can still spy on you with longer battery life is not dis-proven?

gaseousness
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https://9to5mac.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/04/Screenshot-2020-04-16-at-10.14.48.png

Dumb phones in recent times have been getting slightly larger? Larger batteries, and maybe they wait until you're on the charger to transmit the spyware could be why, i don't know?

Andy
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I never use that old trick - "my friend says" - it's as old as the hills and is used by people desperately trying to add weight to their argument.
If the massive fines in USA and EU do not ring any bells for you or the phone getting so hot in testing it had to be rested - there is little else I can say to bring you into the real world.
I have none of these problems plus I have all the security and privacy I need.
Have a nice day

gaseousness
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LOL, what's my argument? And I simply suggested you could ask people, dumbphones are a common thing these says, No trick, I don't care if you accuse me of lying? And yes I have heard of batterygate, and it's still about battery lifespan, not battery life? And no, if someone hasn't heard of batterygate, that wouldn't be a big deal. The publicity stunt doesn't really matter in the end, because planned obsolesce is still a problem?

gaseousness
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https://tube.cadence.moe/watch?v=Iwfldf60wpE

Third link that correlates with my notion, not sure why it matters so much?

Andy
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Is this my final test on - How long does it take to play you out on an irrelevant off-topic thread..? This should be about LineageOS and nobody minds a brief detour, but you my friend take the prize and then some..

I never use the "my friend says" trick in a desperate attempt to validate my post - it's so cheesy it's untrue!
Yes; been to apple pages read all that but cannot find Apple's battery guarantee.
Lifespan of the battery is simple to understand as is recharge frequency...!
More importantly both are DEVOID of AMBIGUITY.

Anyone with half a brain would guess the content of your latest link…
….A ton of variables invalidates any such test … so why bother..?

And no it does not matter one jot – just playing you out – testing your resolve to smother a topic with irrelevant cr4p over and over and over…..

I have none of these problems plus I have all the security and privacy I need – best in class!

With seven days between charging the battery on my Pixel 3a running GrapheneOS is okay by me. How this compares to other phones+OS I do not know or care – it does not matter at all.
Best Wishes - Have a nice day

gaseousness
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"Is this my final test on - How long does it take to play you out on an irrelevant off-topic thread..? This should be about LineageOS and nobody minds a brief detour, but you my friend take the prize and then some..

I never use the "my friend says" trick in a desperate attempt to validate my post - it's so cheesy it's untrue!
Yes; been to apple pages read all that but cannot find Apple's battery guarantee.
Lifespan of the battery is simple to understand as is recharge frequency...!
More importantly both are DEVOID of AMBIGUITY."

Appears that falsely accusing me of things will not get me to stop making comments? If I come across something online, I guess I'll make a comment. I won't dismiss all real life observations and what I hear. It really doesn't matter if one says a friend's device or what I've seen or someone told me, still all personal experiences in the end, but others can't mention them, just you can? You mentioned battery life and I didn't claim spyware increases battery life, but I believe that it's probably mostly hardware related (maybe a little bit of firmware?) increases it more over time (recent times) more than spyware decreases it? Kinda absurd to think I would lie just to win on some not relevant point to some argument, I'm not exactly sure that we are having, on an online forum, what's the motive, popularity?

"And no it does not matter one jot – just playing you out – testing your resolve to smother a topic with irrelevant cr4p over and over and over….."

Trying to troll me in the forums, ain't going to make me silent?

"Anyone with half a brain would guess the content of your latest link…
….A ton of variables invalidates any such test … so why bother..?"

In another video the "you"tubber claimed he buys new batteries for the tests, and how do you think it was rigged, seemed like it could be legit to me, or as legit as possible?

"I have none of these problems plus I have all the security and privacy I need – best in class!

With seven days between charging the battery on my Pixel 3a running GrapheneOS is okay by me. How this compares to other phones+OS I do not know or care – it does not matter at all.
Best Wishes - Have a nice day"

That's great for you, others may have different needs though and other unanswered questions and concerns regarding stuff like this, no need to take offense if what would be better for someone else might not be the same as your choices?

gaseousness
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https://tube.cadence.moe/watch?v=3cX1H5Y12W8

^ I believe this may have been the video where the "you"tubber claimed regularly buying new batteries or something like that.