Chris from TP is a hypocrite
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That could indeed be a good idea. But maybe to to create another distribution. I mean, if Ruben is willing to use some of the packages from Mint then why not, we could have a free software distributions with Cinnamon, Unity, Gnome3, Mate etc... and That could be a good idea... if this is not an idea that Ruben want's to fallow then creating a new Distributions is also something to think about.
I am personally trying to create the bases for a Gnu/Linux Free Distribution based on Arch, something easy to install, easy to upgrade and easy to use, and all of this free software, a little bit like if this was Ubuntu and Arch Linux was Debian. But that's something different.
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I think the main issues I'd focus on is back porting critical pieces to LTS releases. However any Linux Mint Libre edition would be best for marketing free software to the masses. Its advantage to free software enthusiasts is not really in that it offers a different user interface.
If the Linux Mint project ends up with an environment that is very good it is likely that Rubén will adopt it for Trisquel. Linux Mint is developing free software even though they do other things that are bad like include non-free pieces in the distribution. This is if it meets all the criteria with which he has to work (supports non-3d accelerated cards well, etc).
I definitely like the idea of MATE (but I like Xfce as well - it's similar to GNOME 2).
Mate is excelent if the adaptive work is well done. As an example, a lot of bugs are available on Trisquel because of the switch from Gnome2 to Gnome3, so, why not use Mate and allow the installation of gnome shell, since mate allow to run gnome3 application, and can be installed along side with gnome3?
Even that could help Ruben with Trisquel itself.
I like MATE and run it on my laptop and would like to see it by default run on Trisquel instead of trying to hodge podge Gnome Session Fallback.
Ever try running mate with a screenreader? It's completely inaccessible,
which is probably why gnome fallback is used, it's accessible with a
screen reader.
On 11/03/2012 11:25 PM, name at domain wrote:
> I like MATE and run it on my laptop and would Luke to see it by
> default run on Trisquel instead of trying to hodge podge Gnome Session
> Fallback.
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It appear to me that mate and cinnamon are not a more stable and/or
mature alternatives, when compare to Xfce.
This is the DE that I use in my Brigantia setup without any issues and I
truly fill to be in control of the desktop v/s the actual Gnome
fallback, that while is very nice, it lacks customizations options when
compare to Xfce.
I guess that´s why the terminal and synaptic for that matter are my
friends. :)
Yeah, Linux Mint does have some interesting things other than nonfree software. One thing that really got my attention the first time I used it, though I don't know for sure that it isn't a result of nonfree software, is the terminal tells you exactly what to type to get a command working. So for example, if you type "gedit" without Gedit installed, it tells you that you can get that command to work with "sudo apt-get install gedit". I always thought that this simple feature was a very good idea. I guess it must require maintaining a massive database or something, though, it might not be feasible for Trisquel (though I would love to be proven wrong).
I can't say I like everything that it does even without nonfree software, still. In particular, I don't get why they insist on a weird login screen that requires you to type your username, or at least doesn't have an obvious option to show a graphical list of usernames (recently with Mint 13, and also with Mint 12 LXDE at least).
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I'm betting that the reason this isn't included in Trisquel is the database would suggest software from the non-free repository. It could also just be missing because Trisquel happened not to be built with this particular package of course. I know know how much of Trisquel is built from the ground up vs removed from based on a list of bad packages.
I asked myself about the same, but this feature doesn't come from Linux Mint, I used on Ubuntu for a long time ago, and to be honest, it is very useful indeed.
Maybe someone could "clean" that package (even knowing, that, if I'm not wrong, this package only searches for installed packages on the actual repository and nothing else).
Maybe trisquel already has it but it isn't installed. Or maybe it will come on the next version of it (6.0). I will have a look at this.
There is 2 packages for that :
1 - command-not-found that is the old one used, the output is something like this :
$ gdit No command 'gdit' found, did you mean: Command 'edit' from package 'mime-support' (main) Command 'gedit' from package 'gedit' (main) Command 'gdis' from package 'gdis' (universe) Command 'git' from package 'git' (main)2 - auto-apt it is the new one, the output is something like this :
"gparted" was not found. The program 'gparted' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install gpartedI'm not using trisquel right know so I can't say which of those 2 is available in Trisquel. But, at least, command-not-found should be available in the repositories.
I hope this helped.
The OP is rude, but also does not reflect the reality of the world. Ask yourself this:
How many people do you know who switched from 100% non-free system to 100% free system in one switch?
I don't know anyone who did that. I myself didn't do that. I went from a 100% non-free system to overwhelmingly free system (which wasn't 100% free). I then played around with mostly free, but not fully free systems before I finally switched to 100% free system. It took a few years for me to get here and ultimately, I had to get burned by the non-free in just the right way to finally understand why 100% free will always be in my best interest.
The switch to 100% free is rarely (never?) a complete switch in one move. It can take years for someone to understand why a total switch to 100% is necessary and anyone selling in the market MUST work within this reality. Accepting FACTS and working with those FACTS, hardly makes one a hypocrite.
This happened with me too. Part of the problem is the way people are educated now. You grow up and are instructed in school about using non-free OS's. Software freedom is not a topic that is brought up in school. If anything the subject "open-source" may be mentioned.
Worse than that. When you talk to people about the freedom, gnu, the movement and even simply why we use only free software instead of non-free, people normaly say things like :
- I don't understand the problem, this [non-free software] works for me why should I change.
- Well, if you protect freedom then this is my freedom to use non-free software.
- Why should an entreprise distribute the code under a free software licence ? How will it gain money ?
etc..
People are buying and learning technology these days on smartphones and tablets, which keep people in walled gardens and therefore are more non-free than traditional desktops. Companies like Apple, Google, and Microsoft like keeping you locked into their marketplaces (Google Play, iTunes Store) and making it harder to modify or "root" their devices. We are returning to the days of less hardware and software freedom for the general public.
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The humorous part is that uneducated individuals or those educated by policing organizations/lobbying groups have gotten schools and other institutions/organizations to instruct young people that copying is illegal. Schools and other institutions (even those with a technical angle) are unlikely to understand these issues and almost certainly going to take the easiest course of action. Complicated matters like this get simplified and copying becomes illegal. Even the tools to do it become 'illegal'.
I've seen camps, schools, and other organizations do it numerous times in the 1990s/20xx. In the 1990s one computer camp banned CD burners. If the system had one you were instructed to remove it before arriving. If you were “caught” with one you were kicked out. This was after instruction from the FBI (probably at the instruction of the BSA- business software alliance).
In another instance I saw a school for kids between the ages of 11-13 ban copying. Again in the 1990s they saw CDs being passed around as illegal. There was no concept of user generated content being put on CD, fair use, free software, public domain content, or permissively licensed content.
While I can't recall reading about it anywhere I'm sure that there have been plenty of detentions/suspensions over the copying of free software. With the rise of GNU/Linux in particular in the late 1990s and CD burners I can't even fathom how many young people have been "caught". If a blue screen or DOS can get a kid in trouble despite no explicit rules against it or deviation from the mandated task.... imagine what a ban on copying is going to get you?
The arrogance and claims of authority in most schools / organizations astounds me.
My first experience with using GNU/Linux was little over two years ago when I was working in a different state and was given a laptop for free. I wiped the hard drive and installed Linux Mint 9. I liked the freedom of a GNU/Linux distro and the operating system was pretty. Later on I heard about Trisquel and loaded it on my main PC. The laptop still has an Ubuntu based distro due to the built in networking requiring non-free drivers, but my main PC works perfectly with a libre dist while wired to ethernet.
On 11/04/2012 10:20 AM, name at domain wrote:
> The OP is rude, but also does not reflect the reality of the world.
> Ask yourself this:
>
> How many people do you know who switched from 100% non-free system to
> 100% free system in one switch?
>
> I don't know anyone who did that. I myself didn't do that. I went from
> a 100% non-free system to overwhelmingly free system (which wasn't
> 100% free). I then played around with mostly free, but not fully free
> systems before I finally switched to 100% free system. It took a few
> years for me to get here and ultimately, I had to get burned by the
> non-free in just the right way to finally understand why 100% free
> will always be in my best interest.
>
> The switch to 100% free is rarely (never?) a complete switch in one
> move. It can take years for someone to understand why a total switch
> to 100% is necessary and anyone selling in the market MUST work within
> this reality. Accepting FACTS and working with those FACTS, hardly
> makes one a hypocrite.
>
I did;
I ordered a thinkpenguin notebook with Trisquel loaded on it (This is it)
Works beautifully.
Tom Gilliard
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