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> It's not a good feeling when you get up every morning knowing that your own government is tracking you. They told me later 'we knew when you got up, we knew when you left your house, we knew which vehicles you used, where you stopped, where you shopped', for every electronic communication was being monitored, on a 24/7 bases, including my phone.
> Where do you go in that regime? Where do you go? Where do you go? Where is a safe place? Where do you go to be yourself?
Those "nothing to hide" (or "nowhere to hide" as you say) people generally have no or very little concern about their government tracking them.
> If you think you are innocent, or that you have nothing to hide, you do not understand what is happening. Justice, like truth, in this system is not relevant. Ask Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange or Edward Snowden, along with whistle-blowers like Thomas Drake, where justice and truth got them.
"whistle-blower" is the keyword. Not many people decide to disclose secret information or do something else that bother their government, they don't believe that things happened to Manning, Assange or Snowden can apply to them, not to mention some of them have no respect for whistle-blowers.
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“It’s possible that in 20 years we’ll look back at the current generation of children and say: ‘Look, they are socially different from every other generation of humans that came before and as a result this is a huge problem and maybe we need to regulate these behaviours.’
The damage is already done, their behavior is radically different from my generation's behavior and it doesn't take a genius to understand so. Have you been on a train lately or a bus or any of those places where kids get to be together? They could not be more alienated and separated from any reality than they currently are. It's disgusting, a shame.
Noam Chomsky once said: 'You have to pose on people what's called a "philosophy of futility". You have to focus them on the insignificant things of life, like fashionable consumption. And it makes perfect sense. The ideal is to have individuals who are totally disassociated from one another, whose conception of themselves, the sense of value is just "how many created wants can I satisfy?'
There's one positive shred in that article.
"a growing number of coders and designers are quitting their jobs in disillusionment at what their work entails"
It's nice to hear that some individuals in Silicon Valley have a conscience. Unfortunately, quitting now might be too little too late.
Dear Akito
Don't tell your family that using facebook is bad.
It is not bad to share picture with other persons.
Just tell them that when a company like facebook is getting so bigger and lets no place for other social medias like diaspora* or gnu social (you can add the example of google), this is no longer a real liberal state.
Your family certainely compares food trades, TV channels, smartphone, clothes...
Why the f*** not be able to compare another social media ? Or another search engine ?
Maybe other social medias can offer them features they don't have on facebook (and of course privacy).
People will think they will downgrade by using such social media like diaspora*.
Facebook is free, and always will : so you are the product.
Diaspora* asks people to contribute to it wheras Facebool don't !
https://diasporafoundation.org/get_involved
People are asked to build their OWN social media !
The more people will use it, the more it will progress.
And when it's really builded by the people, it belongs to the people. Not to some shareholders. And you are sure it is fitted for you, because you contributed to it.
The real price of Facebook is around 5€ per mount if it wasn't free (I live in europe).
I heard that whenever you send a photo on Facebook, the copyrights doesn't belong to you anymore.
Voilà !
> Don't tell your family that using facebook is bad.
> It is not bad to share picture with other persons.
>
> Just tell them that when a company like facebook is getting so bigger and
> lets no place for other social medias like diaspora* or gnu social (you can
> add the example of google), this is no longer a real liberal state.
I think you understate the problem. This is about more than market share. It's about mind control and surveillance. Using Facebook *is* bad, as in using it you subject yourself to psychological harm. Sharing pictures *is* bad when you are contributing them to a massive facial recognition database.
Mason,
You are preaching a conviced person.
The market share is also important and have to be noticed.
I live in a country where 51% of the people are on Facebook ! Even after Snowden revelations. And nothing have changed ! It is even worst !
A lot of people don't give a f*** about recognision database by private companies because of terrorism.
So, as people are always so intrested by the money, I talk about money.
I prefer relying the time people spend on Facebook and the time they can spend by earning money in exchange of a service as an employee.
Facebook is intresting for them because everyone's on it ! And spend precious time to make it "intresting" (or sort of when you read the average message you find on Facebook who are mostly stupid).
They create content !
But is this content creation is making a better world with less chemicals in food, or a fair-play economy ? No way !
Marketing by big companies and mass surveillance walks together on facebook. This a fact !
heyjoe,
I haven't ever meant that something free meant freedom.
I've well understood the term "Free software". I speak french, I still use "Libre".
You quote me but edited the sentence.
When I say "you are the product" it means that by being on Facebook, you are bringing FOR FREE contents to make Facebook attractive.
But you are not involved in the Facebook developement.
The content of Facebook, or the life of a lot of people is Facebook's fortune !
If you pay the cable, you pay the cable company that gives you TV channels. If you pay a TV channel to watch their programs, you're not excepted to have any ads. But this channel is only for the ones who have paid. The are examples. It is simple.
But if your newspapers have ads, this is not a true independant newspapers. And they will not tell you anything wrong about their announcers.
Hey guys, so we had a celebration last night and they said they want a family picture but they will not upload when it includes me. Now this morning I am very surprised that the person who said that will not upload the pictures (my photo) uploaded it.
I am on a brink of destruction right now.!
I have not read the idea of panopticon. Are you suggesting to hide in plain sight idea? So I convinced them to remove some of my pictures but they did not remove it entirely it still shows my face and facebook's facial recognition is what I or everyone should fear.
> You cannot remove anything from Facebook. It is never deleted, even after the account is deactivated. It will stay on FB's servers and be used for all kinds of things like facial recognition, machine learning etc.
I agree
> You cannot remove anything from Facebook. It is never deleted, even after
> the account is deactivated. It will stay on FB's servers and be used for all
> kinds of things like facial recognition, machine learning etc.
When I finally smartened up and deleted my account Facebook claimed that my data would be deleted from their servers in 14 days. I'm certain this was a lie.
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>old data was there
Which reminds of Binney when he says that metadata dousn't need that much space, even the metadata of the entire world, to get stored. Why do you think they keep building more and more of these monsters? Their motto is 'collect it ALL, so we can know it ALL'. I bet my ass all data is perpetually stored, for ever. God, after all, needs to know everything, even the most insignificant details. Nothing is really insignificant btw.
**monsters
> He explained that he
> deactivated his account
Both deletion (no more account) and deactivation (the account sits waiting for you to come back) are available, but Facebook goes out of their way to lead people to deactivate rather than delete. I could not even find the deletion option in Facebook's settings. I had to get there from an external link in a support thread. In addition to making it hard to learn of the deletion option, they are vague about the details of the deactivation option. It's clear that they don't want you to delete your account. I wonder if there is some legal reason they have to have it as an option at all.
> Personally I am still thinking how to properly get out of FB. I still have
> some people there who insist to remain stupid and to communicate only
> through FB. They would never check their emails any more.
Shortly before I deleted my account entirely, my only usage of Facebook was to log in once a week and respond to the messages sent to me through Facebook even though I had told friends that it was not my preferred mode of communication. It turned out to be quite easy to get them to stop. I deleted my account, and they were forced to contact me by email or text (received by me via XMPP). That would not have worked if they had instead reacted by never contacting me at all. Fortunately they are better friends than that. Everyone's situation is different, though, and Facebook has a lot of power, so just deleting the account might not be an option for everyone.
> Same
> with Gmail, Youtube and what not.
Gmail was a little easier to get away from. My old Gmail address forwards everything to my new one, and I respond via the new one. Gmail will see these incoming messages until people gradually learn my new email address, but does not see my responses or the rest of the conversation... unless of course the other person uses Gmail in which case it doesn't matter, but its better than a situation like Facebook where we can't even communicate without using the same platform.
YouTube, for me at least, has been the trickiest to avoid. Before I came to my senses, I let myself come to rely on YouTube to access music, which is particularly bad because I'm a musician. I now avoid youtube.com and only access YouTube through avideo and youtube-viewer, but those don't work on videos with DRM (the number of which seems to be increasing) and does not solve the larger problem of my depending on Google to access information.
I would remove their contact resources/forms/ways that are not
*federated* (this is a little beyond free/libre software as a product,
and is very important, see: [1], it belongs to a subset of the
free/libre software as philosophy).
Email is, at least by design, federated, so you don't need to remove
their emails.
Besides, it's possible to do such split by sender address. Email clients
which support "splitting" and "scoring" allow you to do this. For
example, Gnus, the email and news client that comes installed with GNU
Emacs by default. I don't particularly use it because I don't receive
emails from the "big players" that frequently, at least not directly,
just through discussion/mailing lists.
[1] https://libreplanet.org/wiki/XMPP#Why_should_you_use_it.3F .
2018-01-30T10:45:16+0100 name at domain wrote:
> I don't know how you will filter GSuite email addresses with custom
> domain names but even if we suppose it is technically possible, the
> person on the other side of the wire will still expect an email reply,
> not a pigeon. Landline phones are also eavesdropped, regular mail can
> also be unsafe, your pigeon can be caught etc.
>
>
> The right question is: how do you communicate with people who like to
> do it. Will you isolate yourself or will you give in? Or something
> else?
>
>
> Are you suggesting that one should remove people from one's life
> because they use Gmail or Facebook? What if those people are your
> family? Do you want them out of your life because they don't conform
> to your *idea* about *serious* life?
>
> And again: if you don't use Gmail but say - another service, non
> PRISM. There is no service provider which will guarantee you that
> their computers don't have Intel ME, that they run only libreboot, and
> that there is no proprietary firmware on any chip. Such computer
> simply doesn't exist. Nobody can give you that service.
>
> So what will you do?
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Why should you have the right to decide what "the other side of the wire" (the person you are communicating with or the server you interact with) runs? You are their "other side of the wire" too!
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>I could not even find the deletion option in Facebook's settings. I had to get there from an external link in a support thread.
the very excellent privacytools.io website gives two links (which I post so akito can sneak on his memberz_fams backdoored computers and secretely "delete" ("delete") their accounts ->
https://www.facebook.com/help/delete_account
http://deletefacebook.com/
>It's clear that they don't want you to delete your account. I wonder if there is some legal reason they have to have it as an option at all.
I guess they prefer to sift all your data legally. I guess once you delete your account they have to sift it illegally. I guess they feel more comfortable knowing they are doing illegal stuff legally, just like their NSA colleagues.
Now, I'll take example from Adfeno the boss and pretend I am posting this through the mailing lisztdts so I can leave some nice addendum in a very casual and random manner..
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- Encrypt it All so they can Know Shit
- free is not gratis, it's better
- "WhatsApp"? The coppers use it daily, Need I say more?
- Once any bit or byte leaves your computer and enters teh Internet you should assume it will always be everywhere, forever. Your assumption will prove itself true, give it time.
- contact me: don't
- If you think data brokers will just hand you legal tools to actually protect or amend your present, past or future privacy, you need to be checked.
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always welcome, mate Joe!
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon
Perfect analogy.
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/me hands the solution for family member outrageous privacy disrespect to akito
**solution (use it wisely)
A solution for everyday ?
Well, I don't think mass surveillance is a joke.
This article is actually quite serious and face recognison is used everywhere, even in the streets. Not only on Facebook.
I'm an funny person.
Making a surprise to the family and friends who are using a lot Facebook for trying this method can allow him to create a real event in a party for fun. He can create his own mask. Try some others. He can be the king of the party !
If it's really working, he can enjoy the party and not be afraid to be pictured.
Why not have a try ?
I've been pictured on Facebook twice recently. But this was within the context of my associative participations who are public. This is not my private life.
I only regret I have to do this for people to come because a lot of persons follows us on Facebook.
Being pictured in private is something more problematic.
Concerning our friend Akito, I think this is more a family/friend problem where I shouldn't interfere, but I have confidence in him to think and to react as a responsible adult by choosing the better solution for him and his family/friends concerning his presence on Facebook.
Again, making a parallel between working time and facebook time is a much more effctive argument to people for giving up Facebook.
The only stupidity is not taking advantage of what people can imagine to face something : face recognition for this example.
Akito has been pictured during a party and this picture have been posted on Facebook without his conscent. Right ?
It could have been anyone. I'm not someone special to give him advices for his own life.
Having a real trouble with his family is awful. I know this situation.
It would not cause any problem for me because I'm a funny person and I have self derision.
And it would not be a problem for anyone who is taking pictures because it can be sort of a game with digital cameras with face recognition options.
People are always talking about the party when it's over. And maybe they can think about face recognition with digital cameras and applications.
A party is made to be enjoyed. Not to talk about serious things.
Spoiling it by hammering arguments against my family and friends is unproductive.
I tried to install diaspora but the server which is a ra*berry pi (it is n ot open hardware i asked in the forums and they CAN NOT release the gpu code, and they say it does not have backdoors but who will believe that,
eoma68 is too much expensive that I cannot buy locally) not being able to handle it (low ram) so I just installed humhub community edition, but disasppointed to not find any mobile apps and I saw a discussion that the offcial mobile app will not be free.
I tried gnu social but I need something that almost mimics book of faces, friendica cannot be installed for some reason and no other alternatives that I can think of. Thank you for suggesting the deleting their accounts @SuperTramp but that would just spark world war, they did not remove my face in the post and I am still pissed of because of that, in the next family gathering I will refuse to take any pictures whatever be the consequences of it.
You can get your copy of GNU Social to be like Facecrap, most
importantly change the character limit to something equal or greater
than 500.
Also you don't need the Raspberry stuff if you are going for a simple
home server, various free/libre system distribution projects use Beagle
Bone Black and other which at least initialize completely with
free/libre software for this stuff, specially because serving a GNU
Social instance doesn't require GPU.
For more information you can also see [1] and [2].
RPi crap is not an option unfortunatelly. :S
Addendum: Thanks for those responsible for Raspberry Pi (and future
versions) for making this thing so difficult for us.
[1] .
[2] .
2018-02-06T06:08:23+0100 name at domain wrote:
> I tried to install diaspora but the server which is a ra*berry pi (it
> is n ot open hardware i asked in the forums and they CAN NOT release
> the gpu code, and they say it does not have backdoors but who will
> believe that,
>
> eoma68 is too much expensive that I cannot buy locally) not being able
> to handle it (low ram) so I just installed humhub community edition,
> but disasppointed to not find any mobile apps and I saw a discussion
> that the offcial mobile app will not be free.
>
> I tried gnu social but I need something that almost mimics book of
> faces, friendica cannot be installed for some reason and no other
> alternatives that I can think of. Thank you for suggesting the
> deleting their accounts @SuperTramp but that would just spark world
> war, they did not remove my face in the post and I am still pissed of
> because of that, in the next family gathering I will refuse to take
> any pictures whatever be the consequences of it.
>
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to mason ;;; i dig what you're sayin'. -- cms
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