Gigabit libre router?
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Hi,
I am looking for gigabit libre/FOSS/ryf router but I can't seem to find any.
Any suggestions?
Hi,
How about this router?
https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/free-software-wireless-n-mini-vpn-router-v2-tpe-r1200-0
name at domain wrote:
> How about this router?
>
> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/free-software-wireless-n-mini-vpn-router-v2-tpe-r1200-0
That page lists the device's WAN/LAN speed as 10/100Mbps which is slower
than gigabit and not what the original poster asked for.
> not what the original poster asked for.
I don't think so. But yeah you may be right.
name at domain wrote:
> I don't think so. But yeah you may be right.
The original poster put "Gigabit libre router" in the subject of this
thread (a subject that is still on this thread) and said in the body of the
request "I am looking for gigabit libre/FOSS/ryf router..." (see
https://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/freedom-misc/2019-November/005214.html).
You replied asking about a router that was listed as only handling
"10/100Mbps"
(https://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/freedom-misc/2019-November/005215.html).
The Netgear WNDR3800 but you're not limited in options:
https://gogs.librecmc.org/libreCMC/libreCMC/src/v1.4/docs/Supported_Hardware.md
Is their a vdsl router known to be able to keep a connection at
distances above 10yards?
Thanks for the replies.
Is Netgear WNDR3800 the only one?
What about any of these:
"Is Netgear WNDR3800 the only one?"
Why not look into the specifications of the supported models that are listed there?
I know; #lazyweb right? :)
Please don't call me lazy.
Before asking I have looked into the specs of Turris and they look better than that Netgear.
The Turris seem based on OpenWRT. I read that LibreCMC is also based on OpenWRT.
Hence the question.
#lazyweb doesn't mean you are lazy. See https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lazyweb
Anyway, you want to know if it has gigabit ethernet right? Look at the specs. :)
We're not any more special than you are in knowing things. :)
For an example, as I poke around on that website you linked to I eventually come to the specific page of https://www.turris.cz/en/omnia/ which mentions "5× Gbit port" and so yes: It has gigabit ethernet. 5 of them. It didn't take but a little bit of clicking to find out. There is your answer. #lazyweb for the win. :)
"The Turris seem based on OpenWRT. I read that LibreCMC is also based on OpenWRT."
Sure but LibreCMC doesn't support the same devices. The list of devices that LibreCMC supports are on the website, that I linked to. Simply visit https://librecmc.org/ and click on "Supported Hardware." :)
OpenWRT has no problems with including non-free junk, like how the WiFi on that Turris things needs a proprietary piece of software in order to work (I know that because I see it has an 802.11ac WiFi and there is no free software for that.) OpenWRT supports it but not LibreCMC because LibreCMC rejects all proprietary junk. My advice is to stick to the specific list of hardware that is supported by LibreCMC on that website by clicking on "Supported Hardware." If you venture outside of what LibreCMC explicitly says they support you do so at the danger to your freedom, like the Turris example.
That goes for most of the posts on this forum: RTFM. Eric S. Raymond is very harsh on people who he thinks are wasting valuable time asking questions that could be solved easily doing some homework.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=RTFM
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before
"Despite this, hackers have a reputation for meeting simple questions with what looks like hostility or arrogance. It sometimes looks like we're reflexively rude to newbies and the ignorant. But this isn't really true.
What we are, unapologetically, is hostile to people who seem to be unwilling to think or to do their own homework before asking questions. People like that are time sinks — they take without giving back, and they waste time we could have spent on another question more interesting and another person more worthy of an answer. We call people like this “losers” (and for historical reasons we sometimes spell it “lusers”)."
I don't necessarily share ESR's views on many subjects. I only quote him because I like historical hacker culture / Usenet references.
I will say the same things in the same manners in a critically serious situation with perfect preparation.
However, surely there will be much more interesting things than saying such a thing many times. So yeah, just remember please if I won't be able to afford to do such things.
> Anyway, you want to know if it has gigabit ethernet right?
No. It means also gigabit WiFi (which the Netgear doesn't seem to have).
What I want to know is why the Turris should not be considered a libre/ryf device, considering that the manufacturer says all schematics are available online and the OS (which in this case also means firmware) is FOSS (OpenWRT). IOW: why should it be considered non-ryf if the manufacturer is obviously developing it per open standards.
> OpenWRT has no problems with including non-free junk, like how the WiFi on that Turris things needs a proprietary piece of software in order to work (I know that because I see it has an 802.11ac WiFi and there is no free software for that.)
I am aware that OpenWRT can have blobs. But Turris OS (just like LibreCMC) is said to be "based on" not "identical to" OpenWRT. And since LibreCMC is free from "non-free junk", I was wondering if Turris OS may also be. That's why I wanted to ask here, in case someone may know (or may suggest how to find out). Of course it is possible to ask the manufacturer (which may be my next step in case nobody here knows). The point is: just because something my not be on FSF's RYF list doesn't automatically mean it is not RYF.
As for free software not existing for 802.11ac WiFi: may I please see where you read this?
Regarding LibreCMC I also see this list:
https://gogs.librecmc.org/libreCMC/libreCMC/src/v1.4/docs/List_of_Tested_Hardware.md
What does "???" mean in "Bootloader Flashed?" column and has that any relation to what we are discussing here? I am asking because most supported devices (the Netger included) have that "???".
So as you can see - I am not asking because I have not searched but because I know here are people who are interested in RYF and may know something which I don't.
Okay; if your intention is Gigabit WiFi and 100% free software then yes - nothing exists. You'll need to compromise one way or the other, either by going with slower WiFi or accepting proprietary software. Sorry but that's just the way it is.
"As for free software not existing for 802.11ac WiFi: may I please see where you read this?"
I didn't read it. I looked into it myself. Having looked into every single 802.11ac chipset that exists, I can confirm that all of them require proprietary firmware.
"why the Turris should not be considered a libre/ryf device"
I think that the use of proprietary software for the WiFi should disqualify it from inclusion in the FSF's RYF program (i.e., https://ryf.fsf.org/about/criteria holds that "All the product software must be free software. The product software includes all software that the seller includes in the product, provides with the product, recommends for use in conjunction with the product, and steers users towards installation in the product.")
But hey; I'm not the FSF and RYF is their program; so none of us here are the ones that would decide ultimately decide that, assuming that the vendor should ever submit the device for inclusion into the certification program. :)
"What does "???" mean"
This is a list of devices people have said "Yes, LibreCMC works." Notice the "Contributor" column. It's not clear if that person only flashed libreCMC and left the original bootloader (U-Boot) intact or did both.
I see.
Thanks for the info.
> looked into every single 802.11ac
I asked thinkpenguin about reverse engineering the
pinephone's wifi card. He answered, rather
should a wifi 5 card get selected for reverse engineering. He wrote
it can cost 500000usd. Is there a wifi 5 card having no signed
firmware, a wifi card which could have versions for pcie, sdio
and usb?
500000usd is 50000 people paying 10usd. I would pay 10usd if
the crowd funding were to be run by a credible entity.
Such a crowd funding would show if free software people
wants a free software wifi 5 card. Or should we wait
for a wifi 6 card?
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