How enable mp3 support in html5 for Abrowser?
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For example, Uzbl have mp3 support in html5.
But I prefer Abrowser.
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Abrowser only supports royalty free media formats in HTML5 such as Vorbis, Opus, Theora and VP8.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/viewing-html5-audio-and-video
1.Then why Uzbl support mp3?
2.Is patent on mp3 decoding not expired yet?
- Patents and copyrights are granted according to two completely different sets of laws. Free software deals with copyright. Free software potentially infringes thousands of patents just because every single idea is patented (and you can come up with as many as you want: software is made of ideas, what makes it fundamentally different from physical innovations).
- According to Wikipedia: "The various MP3-related patents expire on dates ranging from 2007 to 2017 in the U.S".
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Other browsers use external multimedia frameworks such as GStreamer. Mozilla based browsers do not use external media frameworks and thus cannot support MP3 without a patent license (the patent on MP3 has not expired yet).
"Other browsers use external multimedia frameworks such as GStreamer."
And Abrowser too.
My Abrowser compiled with --enable-gstreamer option.
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I'm guessing it's a bug then.
Our web browser without a name (Abrowser, a Firefox derivative that does not recommend non-free software) now comes with shiny new features, like full html5 video support (webm, h264 and other formats) that allow to use sites like Youtube without a flash plugin.
https://trisquel.info/en/trisquel-60-lts-toutatis-has-arrived
Nighly builds of Firefox should support 264 aac and mp3.
In some countries you cannot distribute this version because of Software patents.
For SoundCloud I use Midori (a free browser with Apple WebKit) with user agent set to iPad. With other user agent flash is required.
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Midori doesn't use "Apple WebKit". It uses WebKitGTK+ (which is similar but not the same).
Oh, really?
I tried nighly builds, Aurora, Firefox Beta. But mp3 not work in HTML5.
Most Browsers need GStreamer, so an MP3 plugin for GStreamer must be installed.
These plugins are not installed by default, because of Software patents.
I think we confuse two different problem.
http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger/test.html
MP3 playing just fine, but is not what I want.
I need mp3 support in HTML5.
And html5test.com not see any mp3 support.
Recent versions of Firefox (Abrowser) are able to play some patent encumbered formats. The current Trisquel's version of Abrowser also plays some patent encumbered formats. Abrowser does this using GStreamer.
At the same time, Abrowser doesn't play other patent encumbered formats. It's not that GStreamer doesn't support those other formats or you need to install something extra. It's a policy set for Firefox.
This policy is set not because Mozilla will get sued, but because they want free formats to be the standard in the WWW. Allowing patent encumbered formats is something Mozilla didn't want do in Firefox, but they felt forced and made a compromise.
Patent encumbered formats are bad for the WWW, so you should avoid them. The policy is meant discourage you from offering only MP3 files in your website rather than OGG and FLAC files.
"Patent encumbered formats are bad for the WWW"
I don`t care. In my country no such thing as "software patent".
And I think really reason is greediness of Mozilla.
How commercial company, Mozilla think about money.
What are you talking about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation
It is commercial company.
> I don`t care. In my country no such thing as "software patent".
This seems like a rather shortsighted view of things. Most people don't live in a vacuum and things that are published online are usually available to everyone all over the world. Therefore, someone's decision of what format to use therefore impact others, as those other people won't be able to access the material without running into problems.
I think it would be best if we, the free software community, could stand united on this topic and reject problematic things like patent-encumbered audio and video codecs regardless of the geographic region that we personally live in.
El 07/05/13 10:51, name at domain escribió:
> > I don`t care. In my country no such thing as "software patent".
>
> This seems like a rather shortsighted view of things. Most people
> don't live in a vacuum and things that are published online are
> usually available to everyone all over the world. Therefore, someone's
> decision of what format to use therefore impact others, as those other
> people won't be able to access the material without running into
> problems.
>
> I think it would be best if we, the free software community, could
> stand united on this topic and reject problematic things like
> patent-encumbered audio and video codecs regardless of the geographic
> region that we personally live in.
I agree on this. We should help those that help us best an more evn so
if they help our freedom.
Would make a new thread or wiki page with strategies to make it easy for
the layman use? The idea is to make it default and easy to use. What do
you think?
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Not caring about software patents because you're lucky enough to live in a country that doesn't have them is kind of selfish. I envy you who don't have to worry about them. In the parts of the world that do have software patents, using patented formats is a serious problem; have you ever noticed that Fedora doesn't support playing them? That's because including nonfree software to play the formats would go against their "mostly free" policy, and including the free software that plays the formats would be illegal and get Red Hat sued.
Free software, being freely redistributable, cannot use a patented idea without infringing on the patent. This is because it is impossible to know just how many people have gotten a copy without being assured that you are the only distributor of the software (i.e. taking away freedoms 2 and 3), so it's impossible to know how much "should" be paid to the patent holder.
Naturally, such a format which only nonfree software can be legally used to play it in many contries (such as mine, the U.S.) goes completely against a "free and open" web.
"In the parts of the world that do have software patents, using patented formats is a serious problem".
I know about it.
"Not caring about software patents because you`re lucky enough to live in a country that doesn`t have them is kind of selfish".
Уes, it is egoism. But it is rational egoism. Rational egoism is vital part of my life philosophy. I just don`t see any benefits to worry about it.
It's almost sure that you expect other people not to have your own "rational egoism".
" I just don`t see any benefits to worry about it."
In this case, you are not concerned. But someday your own position will depend on someone else having a sense of morality, and it will be a bad day when you hear him saying just this quoted sentence.
"It`s almost sure that you expect other people not to have your own "rational egoism""
You are wrong, I don`t think so. If all people will behave like me, then the world would be better place, IMHO.
"But someday your own position will depend ..."
Maybe. But even if today I will behave the way you want, there is no guarantee that it would not happen with me.
How would the world be a better place if nobody put any thought in how their actions might affect others? Just look at pollution, for example. Many pollution incidents we have are because some company dumped its wastes in a river or lake or ocean somewhere with no regard for what could happen to others as a result.
If you accept patented formats like MP3 as normal, you normalize it. If a patented format like MP3 is normalized, other people's freedom is compromised. If you distribute in patented formats like MP3, you directly contribute to the problem, and that's just flat-out unethical.
To clarify:
- Using free software to see or hear the file in the patented format is fine.
- Taking that patented format and converting it to a non-patented format for others to use is like cleaning up the lake the company dumped its crap into, and that's good.
- Complaining to webmasters about using patented formats is like complaining to the company about the dumping, and that's good.
- *Paying* for the file is like doing business with the company, and that's unhelpful.
- Complaining about a program not supporting a patented format is like complaining that some other company refuses to do business with water-polluting companies, and that's disruptive.
- Distributing your own files under patented formats is like dumping your own crap into the lake, and that's unethical.
In this (imperfect, so please don't take it any further) analogy, I'm one of the guys who lives near the lake and depends on it, Patented Formats is the company dumping garbage into it, and you are some guy some huge distance away saying we don't matter to you as long as you get your Patented Formats.
El 07/05/13 14:35, name at domain escribió:
> How would the world be a better place if nobody put any thought in how
> their actions might affect others? Just look at pollution, for
> example. Many pollution incidents we have are because some company
> dumped its wastes in a river or lake or ocean somewhere with no regard
> for what could happen to others as a result.
>
> If you accept patented formats like MP3 as normal, you normalize it.
> If a patented format like MP3 is normalized, other people's freedom is
> compromised. If you distribute in patented formats like MP3, you
> directly contribute to the problem, and that's just flat-out unethical.
>
> To clarify:
>
> - Using free software to see or hear the file in the patented format
> is fine.
> - Taking that patented format and converting it to a non-patented
> format for others to use is like cleaning up the lake the company
> dumped its crap into, and that's good.
> - Complaining to webmasters about using patented formats is like
> complaining to the company about the dumping, and that's good.
> - *Paying* for the file is like doing business with the company, and
> that's unhelpful.
> - Complaining about a program not supporting a patented format is like
> complaining that some other company refuses to do business with
> water-polluting companies, and that's disruptive.
I think your wording is not correct in this part. I suppose you meant:
- Complaining about a program not supporting a patented format is like
complaining about some company doing business with water-polluting
companies. That is disruptive.
> - Distributing your own files under patented formats is like dumping
> your own crap into the lake, and that's unethical.
>
> In this (imperfect, so please don't take it any further) analogy, I'm
> one of the guys who lives near the lake and depends on it, Patented
> Formats is the company dumping garbage into it, and you are some guy
> some huge distance away saying we don't matter to you as long as you
> get your Patented Formats.
>
>
Great analogy!
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No, you've got it backwards. I was saying that the act of complaining that Firefox *isn't* supporting a patented format is sort of like complaining that some business *isn't* doing business with the water-polluting company. That is, that company is causing you a minor practical inconvenience by not selling the stuff from the water-polluting company you like. If you complain about this company taking a stand against the water-polluting company, you're being disruptive, and you're also being disruptive if you're complaining about Firefox taking a stand against software patents.
El 07/05/13 19:07, name at domain escribió:
> No, you've got it backwards. I was saying that the act of complaining
> that Firefox *isn't* supporting a patented format is sort of like
> complaining that some business *isn't* doing business with the
> water-polluting company. That is, that company is causing you a minor
> practical inconvenience by not selling the stuff from the
> water-polluting company you like. If you complain about this company
> taking a stand against the water-polluting company, you're being
> disruptive, and you're also being disruptive if you're complaining
> about Firefox taking a stand against software patents.
>
>
# (transitive ) To throw
into confusion
or disorder
.
# (transitive ) To interrupt
or impede
.
You mean to disrupt activism or to disrupt the status quo?
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> You mean to disrupt activism or to disrupt the status quo?
Activism and progress toward change.
"How would the world be a better place if nobody put any thought in how their actions might affect others?"
You are misunderstood my position. I think about how my behavior will affect other people.
Just look at it from a different point of view. All countries have problems. My country have a lot of problems too.
Why I should caring about problems of YOUR country? Especially because you have a much higher standard of living than I am.
It`s not envy. This simply means that your country has been much more succesful in competing with other countries.
And this also means that your Society has enough power to solve their own problems.
It`s like asking a weak person to help strongman.
The only way to change my mind, prove that the "software patents" is also my problem and you really need my help.
El 07/05/13 22:06, name at domain escribió:
> This means that your Society has enough power to solve their own
> problems.
> It`s like asking a weak person to help strongman.
>
>
> The only way to change my mind, prove that the "software patents" is
> also my problem and you really need my help.
I also live in a poor country. My decision is tohelp my mates in other
countries because I will apreciate their help when my time to need it
comes. On the other hand, helping those that give more freedom without
patents, help me directly because it creates critical mass towards their
cause.
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"help me directly because it creates critical mass towards their cause".
I think it is very strange method to solve the problem.
For example, if onpon4 have problem with software patents, this is because Society of his/her country decided to use software patents. It mean, that USA have a lot of people, who belive in usefulness or innocence of software patents.
And instead of attempting to change mind of people inside USA, s/he trying to enlist people from countries that do not have software patents. It is just stupid and even dangerous. Society of USA powerful and rich, it not allow any pressure from people of other countries.
And what usually happen when people of different countries strongly disagree? Yes, a war.
El 08/05/13 00:42, name at domain escribió:
> "help me directly because it creates critical mass towards their cause".
>
> I think it is very strange method to solve the problem.
> For example, if onpon4 have problem with software patents, this is
> because Society of his/her country decided to use software patents. It
> mean, that USA have a lot of people, who belive in usefulness or
> innocence of software patents.
>
> And instead of attempting to change mind of people inside USA, s/he
> trying to enlist people from countries that do not have software
> patents. It is just stupid and even dangerous. Society of USA powerful
> and rich, it not allow any pressure from people from other countries.
>
> And what usually happen when people of different countries strongly
> disagree? Yes, a war.
If one million ants would confront you, you would not have a chance. But
if one ant asks the other ants to confront you and those other ants
don't, you can easily kill it. Critical mass is the only way to win
against the powerful. The only way they can defeat us if they render us
impotent and divided. We must cooperate!
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"If one million ants would confront you, you would not have chance."
Yes. But it is very different case. In this case it will be most likely war between anthills. And some anthills have nuclear weapon.
El 08/05/13 01:29, name at domain escribió:
> "If one million ants would confront you, you would not have chance."
>
> Yes. But it is very different case. In this case it will be most
> likely war between anthills. And some anthills have nuclear weapon.
It is not that way. The powerful have fear of the masses of powerless.
But the poweless are even more scared so they don't take action. It is
deterrence only. But if you feel you can't do it, you are already lost.
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> For example, if onpon4 have problem with software patents, this is because
> Society of his/her country decided to use software patents.
You're over-simplifying this. The United States didn't get software patents out of some decision from society. That would be absurd, because any programmer who is rational is against it. I think it was a court ruling that decided that software ideas can be patented.
But I'm not asking you to help change our laws at all. You think it's limited to the U.S.? That's not the case at all. A few years ago, I know that many countries in Europe were in danger of adopting software patents simply because the U.S. has them. I don't know if they ended up doing the right thing (rejecting the respective laws allowing software patents), but the point is this is not a localized problem for us Americans. It's a global problem. Other countries have software patents, and still more countries have pressure on them to have software patents.
All I'm asking is to not dump your own crap in the lake, and not disrupt our efforts to fix the problem by complaining that someone is trying to help. That is, don't create and distribute your own MP3 files (use Ogg Convert if you get an MP3 or MP4 or other patented media format from somebody else and want to redistribute it; it's not that much of an inconvenience), and don't complain about Mozilla's efforts to fix the problem.
Also, consider this: Firefox is a very popular web browser. Tell whatever website is requiring MP3s, "hey, I can't listen to your files on Firefox, you should fix this by using Ogg Vorbis". They very well might comply. If that doesn't work, use another free browser that does support MP3.
"I think it was a court ruling that decided that software ideas can be patented."
Maybe. But even in this case, it was approved by the Society. Who gave judges power to make this decision?
The Society. And if judges really will go against interest of the Society, they would be fired. Or even worse, there will be the revolution, bloody and ruthless.
"any programmer who is rational is against it"
Maybe. But how about businessmen and lawers? They may not agree with you.
"You think it`s limited to the U.S.?"
Of course not!
"not disrupt our efforts to fix the problem"
But why you don`t deleted browsers that support patented formats, like Uzbl, xxxterm, etc?
"If that doesn`t work, use another free browser that does support MP3"
Yes, I just do it with xxxterm. Anyway, I just wanted to listen Yandex Music.
"and still more countries have pressure on them to have software patents".
First you have to prove, that there is more beneficial alternatives of software patents for a society.
Maybe it is bad only from the point of view of programmers and geeks?
"Maybe. But even in this case, it was approved by the Society. Who gave judges power to make this decision?
The Society. "
Oh come on, that's way to simple. My Grandma is part of the society, so I think she's the origin of those problems?
It's simply wrong to say that the society gives power to judges; perhaps in an indirect-indirect-indirect way, but no one can argue like that.
Judges fail many times;
In Germany, our judicative system (don't know the right word) faces many problems, and it's not the society who's guilty of this.
Just imagine dominoes standing in a row. The Society push first domino and started a chain reaction. If something will go wrong, then the Society may remove "bad" dominoes and stop chain reaction. Regardless of the length of the chain. But if the chain reaction continues, it means that the Society thinks "all right".
Getting Firefox to play patented formats may be good for you in a short-term perspective. It is not at in a long term perspective.
Either Mozilla would have to spend millions in patent licenses or Mozilla would get sued by MPEG and spend millions in litigation. In all cases, those are millions that would not be spend in making Mozilla's software better. Including for you.
Patent-encumbered formats getting popular (and by reading them on a daily basis, you are somehow contributing to it) also has a long-term negative effect on you. It makes powerful companies have an edge. They can pay the (unfair) tax. As a consequence, their software can read the popular formats, whereas free software, written by developers who cannot afford to pay the tax, cannot.
Obviously, only distributing your works under patent-emcumbered formats is even worse because it contributes even more to making these formats popular.
Software are written everywhere on the planet and distributed at an international scale through the Internet. There is no such thing as a safe country where users do not feel the effects of bad laws enforced in other countries.
I took your selfish point of view to write the lines above. That said, the strongest arguments to me has already been stated by other users of this forum: I care about every user being free. Not only myself. If I can help a user to get free, I want to do it. Even if I can personally enjoy the freedoms she is denied.
How about royalty-free patents?
"not in a long term perspective"
Why? Are you think my country will be "infected"?
I think if software patents really such bad thing for the Society, then countries without software patents will be have significant competitive advantages.
If your society go mad and saw off the bough on which it is sitting, then it is not concern of software_patent-free societies. It is beneficial for software_patent-free societies. Because it would weaken powerful competitors, like USA.
Software patents don't destroy nations. They destroy individuals, especially individuals who run small businesses. In addition, any programmer who doesn't work for a large corporation which can handle the patent problems is at risk thousands of times for each program. Most individuals simply can't afford to defend themselves in court against a patent-related lawsuit, so if they can't pay up (or if paying up isn't even an option, which is sometimes the case), they have to close down their business or cease development of the program they were working on.
This will cause a severe crisis in the area of high-tech.
As a result, this country will be the LOSER in the area of high-tech.
Happy ending, idiocy punished.
Why assume that? You don't say that a huge giant dies just because its little toe has been crushed.
Is high tech is just " a little finger"?
Strangely, it seemed to me that ya are not living in the Stone Age.(sarcasm)
No, but individual people aren't "high tech" (as you put it). Combined, they're about as important to the giant as the giant's little toe.
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