The issue of systemd
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A curious cat is easier to die....
I was just curious to change my Trisquel to systemd, but failed to find relative systemd packages via apt-get from trisquel repo..(only except for systemd-services)
When I have uninstalled systemd-services, I found such error occurred on the login screen:
Fail to start session. (when I entered correct password)
Contrary, I can login the tty console.
I know Trisquel in based on Ubuntu which has not used systemd as its init system. But I was following the instructions from the Ubuntu users (and failed to recover my DE after I failed to install systemd)
I had tried reinstall such as gnome-shell, ubuntu-desktop. Maybe I did not know how to install trisquel 7 specific DE.
Now I cannot login to DE....please advise...
Muchos Gracias!
(and what's the correct way to install systemd by the way...Orz )
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Hi.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/systemd#Installing_systemd
on IRC freenode server -> #systemd
After all the people ranting about it and asking for instructions to remove systemd from their distro I find it so cool that you are asking help to achieve the opposite, that is, installing systemd on a distro that comes without it :)
+1
Really~ Gracias.
I knew a bit of the systemd debate and would like to hear more.
My motivation was just the habit of mine and it (may) runs faster.
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I see no problem in systemd - it's free software, well tested. I have it on Debian and I'm fine with it. If you run servers you need to learn a lot of new things but if you use it on a home installation and do basic stuff as I do, you'll feel no difference at all other than a quite faster boot time.
One thing I can agree on with those who rant about it is it goes against the KISS (keep it simple stupid) philosophy of GNU: do one thing and do it well. From what I've read this new init system is much more than that and it has extended to so many parts of the OS that it is glued to so many things. So those who don't like it find very difficult in many cases getting rid of it.
I prefer keeping things simple (generally speaking) and giving everybody the choice on whether to use something or not and systemd makes this tough for many.
That being said, I guess in five years everybody will use it and forget about the controversial intro.
Indeed. Debian GNU/Linux shipped systemd in stable some five months ago. Other mainstream distributions (Fedora, Arch, Mageia, Open SUSE, etc.) adopted it years ago. Have you seen users *trying* systemd and ranting about it (other than saying "you need to learn the new commands") since then? I have not. Although there sure must be some. Haters, who never tried systemd and usually knew nothing about init systems, predicted a great exodus to obscure or new distributions without systemd. That has not happened. It will never happen.
systemd is not only an init system. It is an umbrella project under which tens of small specific binaries share common libraries and interact together (some being optional), each of them with as little privileges as possible. That looks "do one thing and do it well" to me.
Indeed.
I used to use Systemctl and Journalctl from systemd which is very convenient for end user.
I did not know much about the mechanism of both Upstart and systemd.
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