Other GNU/Linux-libre distro?

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gd_scania
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Beigetreten: 09/13/2017

I was a Trisquel user but now using pacman-based Parabola GNU/Linux-libre, and appending Linux-libre into Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Devuan (all 3 Deb-based like Trisquel), and are they good alternatives with Trisquel, which you think?

chaosmonk

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Beigetreten: 07/07/2017

Parabola is a great alternative. I'm using it on one of my machines and love it. Assuming that the only difference between Devuan and Debian is not using systemd, then that is also a good option as long as you don't use the non-free and contrib repositories. However, Ubuntu and Mint are not good alternatives as they do not respect your freedom. The kernel is not the only problem with those two distros. If you are happy with Parabola, I suggest you continue using that.

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Beigetreten: 09/13/2017

Of course Ubuntu is NOT looked to be good which its "restricted" and "multiverse" are indifferent to nonfree, this is why I stand Mint here for LMDE (and NOT Ubuntu Mint).
For Debian, Mint, Devuan, nonfree is obviously evil which I NEVER probe nonfree but what are problems from contrib? Anyway I dun think myself needing to disable contrib which a Linux-libre kernel is replaced against the generic ones.

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Beigetreten: 07/07/2017

Packages from the contrib repository are libre, but have non-free dependencies, so they can't be used without also using non-free software.

Using a deblobbed kernel is important, but it will not prevent the installation of other non-free software. In order to be certain that you are not using non-free software, you should use a libre distro like Trisquel or Parabola that is committed to only including free software. Debian should not have the non-free and contrib repositories which is why it is not endorsed, but because they at least make sure that the main repository only includes libre software it is usable once you disable the other repositories. Mint has a single repository that contains non-free software, so it should not be used at all. Magic Banana's comment explains the problems with Ubuntu. There is also no reason to attempt to liberate Ubuntu, as you would be repeating a task already accomplished with Trisquel.

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Beigetreten: 09/13/2017

It needs to be best which Trisquel is willing to also liberate LMDE, Kali, FreeBSD, and I am willing to host a build system like the Parabola PCR based on the Linux-libre and FreeBSD-libre kernels, mainly supporting Parabola and Trisquel.
I also need to compose my own frpm, Free packages manager, and whose live CD frontend named FreeStrap, also the above liberated build system into my own libre operating system, powered by RPM sources, whose kernels are Linux-libre and FreeBSD-libre (does Trisquel also want to liberate the FreeBSD kernels, hence become a Trisquel GNU/FreeBSD-libre operating system?), offering rolling and LTS distro, the rolling one is aimed to be as cutting edged as Parabola, and the LTS one is to be released every 3 years and supported for 5 years.
My hw requirements are: x64 processor and ESP, /boot/efi system partition, targeting to low-end EFI-ready laptops and NAS home servers.
I am also willing to compose a screensaver, a display manager, a family of wm, all for LXQt, finally a browser of the Q5×Q4×Tor frontends.
I also want a embedded systems team porting to different hardware architectures, to help a practice of the GNU/hardware.
Will FSF and GNU sponsor for this free software corporation?

Magic Banana

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Beigetreten: 07/24/2010

Do it first.

gd_scania
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Beigetreten: 09/13/2017

deb tor+http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh/ freesh main
deb tor+http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian testing main contrib
deb tor+http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian-security testing/updates main contrib
deb tor+http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib

deb tor+http://ftp.qubes-os.org/repo/deb/r4.0/vm stretch main
deb tor+http://ftp.qubes-os.org/repo/deb/r4.0/vm stretch-securitytesting main
deb tor+http://devrepo.subgraph.com/subgraph aaron main

deb tor+http://packages.linuxmint.com betsy main upstream import
deb tor+http://extra.linuxmint.com betsy main
deb tor+http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing main

deb-src tor+http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian testing main contrib
deb-src tor+http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian-security testing/updates main contrib
deb-src tor+http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib

deb-src tor+http://ftp.qubes-os.org/repo/deb/r4.0/vm stretch main
deb-src tor+http://ftp.qubes-os.org/repo/deb/r4.0/vm stretch-securitytesting main
deb-src tor+http://devrepo.subgraph.com/subgraph aaron main

deb-src tor+http://packages.linuxmint.com betsy main upstream import
deb-src tor+http://extra.linuxmint.com betsy main
deb-src tor+http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing main

My EVERY software sources of my current Mint is here, nothing Ubuntu, instead my Mint is a compound between Mint × Qubes × subgraph, with the common Debian codebase, so my Mint is LMDE. Below is my software sources for Lubuntu,

deb tor+http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh/ freesh main
deb tor+http://tw.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ artful main universe
deb tor+http://tw.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ artful-updates main universe
deb tor+http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu artful partner
deb tor+http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu artful-security main universe

deb-src tor+http://tw.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ artful main universe
deb-src tor+http://tw.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ artful-updates main universe
deb-src tor+http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu artful partner
deb-src tor+http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu artful-security main universe

With appending Linux-libre to be new kernel over this Ubuntu and disable EVERY ‘‘restricted’’ and ‘‘multiverse’’ (nonfree) components, will Ubuntu be still a treachery against our security and privacy?

gd_scania
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Beigetreten: 09/13/2017

I have just now got a research from the official Debian wiki, which contrib "might" be dependent on nonfree (like most Deb derivatives, for Ubuntu nonfree is called "restricted" or "multiverse"), though DFSG compitable like the main pool, but dnt worry I have appended Linux-libre to prevent myself against nonfree which I need to use contrib.

chaosmonk

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Beigetreten: 07/07/2017

How would the kernel determine the license of an arbitrary binary file?

Magic Banana

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Beigetreten: 07/24/2010

See https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html like mason suggests. Although the sections in Ubuntu are better than nothing, they are not perfect. Trisquel's project is a lot about "cleaning" packages in Ubuntu's main and universe: https://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel/ubuntu-purge and https://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel/package-helpers

gd_scania
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Beigetreten: 09/13/2017

"Cleaning" the Ubuntu main and universe pools? Are the 2 pools come with free software but which "might" be dependent on nonfree, just like the contrib pool from Debian?
Though under the Linux-libre kernel, why we still need to manually clean nonfree? Aren't they auto-removed against our Linux-libre kernel?

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Beigetreten: 07/24/2010

The Linux-libre project only deals with the kernel. There is far much free software in the user space. Some of it recommends (without depending on) proprietary software (e.g., add-ons) and the Trisquel project removes that.

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I may be going a tad off-topic in relation to where the thread's heading but to answer the 1st question, the "certified" free distros plus maybe Free Slack?

Mangy Dog

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Beigetreten: 03/15/2015

+ https://connochaetos.org/wiki/home

ConnochaetOS is a fully free/libre GNU/Linux distro for x86 computers with limited resources, based on Slackware and Salix OS. “Fully free” means, that ConnochaetOS does only contain free software and no proprietary, non-free software, blobs or firmware. Non-free parts of the upstream distros were removed and - where possible - replaced by free counterparts. ConnochaetOS retains full backwards compatibility with Slackware and Salix OS.

gd_scania
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Beigetreten: 09/13/2017

Any ZYpp-libre, urpmi-libre, FreeBSD-libre ones? Connochaet is looked aging to me, which I also need to be as cutting edged as Parabola (pacman), rpm (ZYpp and urpmi), FreeBSD.

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Beigetreten: 03/15/2015

https://libertybsd.net/

LibertyBSD is a “deblobbed” version of OpenBSD. You can get all of the benefits of OpenBSD, while being sure that there is nothing non-free lurking in the depths of your system.

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Beigetreten: 03/15/2015

Uruk GNU/Linux is based off Trisquel Alpha 8-core

(u-rpmi)
https://urukproject.org//dist/en.html#about

Latest Release :
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/uruk-gnulinux-20-beta-2

gd_scania
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Beigetreten: 09/13/2017

Any zypper and Linux-libre based rolling projects, as cutting edged as Parabola?

gd_scania
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Beigetreten: 09/13/2017

Thanks and I need his kernel to get help for my BSD-libre OS project and my liberated build system like the Parabola PCR, your Trisquel team is to be appreciated and proud of me.☺️

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Beigetreten: 03/15/2015

Another i forgot is

--==Deli(cate)==--
http://deli.tavvva.net/
http://delicate-linux.net/
DeLi(cate) is a fork of DeLi Linux 0.8 targeted at very old and low RAM computers.
It's developed independently of DeLi's successor ConnochaetOS.

gd_scania
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Beigetreten: 09/13/2017

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/stallman-linux-action-show
I think I need to be the new leader over our FSF, I am aged 22 and from the East, but I think the Eastern people know almost nothing to free software, even though GNU and FSF, if I am Richard Stallman of the East but a friend still feels himself Linus Torvalds of the East, I think I need to enlight him too much how nonfree are evil to software laypeople, even the whole online humanity.

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gd_scania
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Beigetreten: 09/13/2017

GNU GuixSD is NOT YET productional and not recommended to you unless you accept this fate, but I am willing to get help porting the GNU Guix package manager to Parabola, Trisquel, Devuan, Uruk and will be a project under my FreeGit.