"Red Eclipse" free as in freedom?

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vita_cell
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Beigetreten: 07/19/2015

Hi, it is "Red Eclipse" game fully Free(as in freedom" Libre software? as I can see, it uses a zlib licence, which is compatible with GPL. If it is libre, why not to add this wonderful game to Trisquel's repositories, this game look nice, very customizable and doesn't need a powerful computer and powerful GPU.

http://redeclipse.net/wiki/License

onpon4
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Beigetreten: 05/30/2012

Yes. And it's in Debian, so it will flow downstream in a later release.

But with Red Eclipse, it's probably better to get it from the developers' website, anyway. I use Debian, and the Red Eclipse here is out of date and can't connect with current servers (meaning I can only play single-player). I would imagine the same to be true of whatever version of it Trisquel gets.

vita_cell
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Beigetreten: 07/19/2015

Same thing for MegaGlest, outdated versions in repositories, unable to connect to servers. Must to install the latest one.

Magic Banana

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Beigetreten: 07/24/2010

Content included in the game (maps, textures, sounds, models etc.) is NOT covered by this license, and may have individual copyrights and distribution restrictions (see individual readmes), note that all content in Red Eclipse is intended to be "open source" friendly.

"Distribution restrictions" certainly are the problem that makes Ubuntu put the "redeclipse" package in the "multiverse" section of its repositories (along with other proprietary software) and that makes Trisquel not include this package.

onpon4
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Beigetreten: 05/30/2012

Debian used to put redeclipse-data into non-free as well, but it was moved to main in Jessie. The license concerns with Red Eclipse are outdated.

This is the copyright file for redeclipse-data in Debian Jessie:

http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/r/redeclipse-data/redeclipse-data_1.4-3_copyright

vita_cell
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Beigetreten: 07/19/2015

As I understood, Red Eclipse is fully free.

Magic Banana

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Beigetreten: 07/24/2010

Apparently, the next Ubuntu 16.04 (on which Trisquel 8 will be based) will still have "redeclipse" in the multiverse section: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/redeclipse

I do not know why.

vita_cell
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Beigetreten: 07/19/2015

I don't know too. All inside licences I found, free software and free media/art. (Don't know if I wrong)

Legimet
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Beigetreten: 12/10/2013

Same for ckermit, which is now under a free license but still in multiverse.

vita_cell
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Beigetreten: 07/19/2015

I compiled it. And alredy tested on a machine with gtx770 4gb (not reclocked). Game runs flawlessly with the highest settings at 1080p.

Warzone 2100 it is libre?

I found a free implementation of game I love "Heroes of might and magic II", but you need non-free media/art from original game. :(

onpon4
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Beigetreten: 05/30/2012

> Warzone 2100 it is libre?

Of course. It's in Trisquel's repositories.

Turtleman
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Beigetreten: 05/22/2013

This reasoning is not perfect. It is possible that it is non-free and needs to be removed from Trisquel. Of course, in this case it really is free :)

Turtleman
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Beigetreten: 05/22/2013

Red Eclipse is fully free, but some of the data included with the archive they distribute is non-free. I safely removed these directories and it compiled and ran fine.

I want to bring back its article on LibreGameWiki but I am concerned it will be taken down until Hendrik Brummermann replies to me. Maybe I should just make it and if there is a concern, discuss it then.

vita_cell
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Beigetreten: 07/19/2015

Please, I want to know, what content is not free.

Turtleman
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Beigetreten: 05/22/2013

http://redeclipse.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/redeclipse/doc/all-licenses.txt

Files: bin/* src/include/* src/lib/* src/enet/* src/site/* src/xcode/*
game/mek/*
Copyright: Omitted
License: Omitted

src/enet/* is MIT licensed. The rest do not carry a license, afaik. Like I said, all of those can be removed with no issues and this is likely what Debian does.

onpon4
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Beigetreten: 05/30/2012

Any non-code asset in Red Eclipse that doesn't carry a license is CC BY-SA.

Turtleman
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Beigetreten: 05/22/2013

Are you sure? Someone on IRC told me recently there is a directory that has an unfinished project by the developer that is not licensed.

I am not sure whether it is code, assets, or some other text file.

Magic Banana

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Beigetreten: 07/24/2010

That is what http://redeclipse.net/wiki/License says:
In the absence of an explicit license, content is considered to be covered by the CC-BY-SA license, either version 3.0 or (at your option) any later version

Turtleman
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Beigetreten: 05/22/2013

Thank you. I was really confused because a bunch of people were telling me contradicting things. I added a small article to LibreGameWiki now.

https://libregamewiki.org/Red_Eclipse

vita_cell
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Beigetreten: 07/19/2015

Thanks you Turtleman and Magic Banana!

Calinou
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Beigetreten: 03/08/2014

Red Eclipse was in Debian non-free because the Debian people thought that not having the source files of some 3D models made some art non-free (the most important models do have .blend files available, like the player model and some weapon models). They ultimately stepped back and started considering Red Eclipse 100% libre last year.