Synaptic - Seamonkey
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I was curious. Mozilla Firefox is not considered free software because it has some proprietary things concerning logos, correct?
I would assume this was true also for Mozilla Seamonkey? I am asking because frankly I despise Firefox-type browsers. I like Seamonkey and all it has to offer, built-in e-mail for one.
Are there any truly free alternatives to Seamonkey (if it isn't free itself)
Also, why does Firefox come up in the Synaptic Repository if it is not free?
Thank YOu,
Grimlok
> I was curious. Mozilla Firefox is not considered free software
> because it has some proprietary things concerning logos, correct?
Yes, it is the trademark policy that is problematic:
https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2011-08/msg00014.html
https://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html
Mozilla previously had non-free copyright licensing on their logos, but
that was fixed a few years ago.
> I would assume this was true also for Mozilla Seamonkey? I am asking
> because frankly I despise Firefox-type browsers. I like Seamonkey
> and all it has to offer, built-in e-mail for one.
Yes, I believe so:
https://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/list.html
> Are there any truly free alternatives to Seamonkey (if it isn't free
> itself)
There is Iceape on Debian, but it still /recommends/ proprietary
software through the extension manager. For Trisquel, there aren't any
at the moment.
> Also, why does Firefox come up in the Synaptic Repository if it is
> not free?
It is a package which installed "Abrowser", the patched unbranded copy
of Firefox with some other modifications. For example, it doesn't
recommend proprietary software.
Andrew.
Como hago para no recibir más mensajes de este grupo, ya no soy usuario de
Trisquel.
Gracias.
El 19/04/2013 20:48, "Andrew Roffey" <name at domain>
escribió:
> I was curious. Mozilla Firefox is not considered free software
>> because it has some proprietary things concerning logos, correct?
>>
>
> Yes, it is the trademark policy that is problematic:
> https://lists.nongnu.org/**archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/**
> 2011-08/msg00014.html
> https://www.mozilla.org/**foundation/trademarks/policy.**html
>
> Mozilla previously had non-free copyright licensing on their logos, but
> that was fixed a few years ago.
>
> I would assume this was true also for Mozilla Seamonkey? I am asking
>> because frankly I despise Firefox-type browsers. I like Seamonkey
>> and all it has to offer, built-in e-mail for one.
>>
>
> Yes, I believe so:
> https://www.mozilla.org/**foundation/trademarks/list.**html
>
> Are there any truly free alternatives to Seamonkey (if it isn't free
>> itself)
>>
>
> There is Iceape on Debian, but it still /recommends/ proprietary
> software through the extension manager. For Trisquel, there aren't any
> at the moment.
>
> Also, why does Firefox come up in the Synaptic Repository if it is
>> not free?
>>
>
> It is a package which installed "Abrowser", the patched unbranded copy
> of Firefox with some other modifications. For example, it doesn't
> recommend proprietary software.
>
> Andrew.
>
>
On 20/04/13 12:12, Hugo Alberto Martínez Sierra wrote:
> Como hago para no recibir más mensajes de este grupo, ya no soy
> usuario de Trisquel.
>
> Gracias.
(I translated using Google Translate):
> How do I stop receiving messages from this group, I'm not user of
> Trisquel
See this page:
http://listas.trisquel.info/mailman/listinfo/trisquel-users
Or contact Ruben, the administrator:
https://trisquel.info/en/contact
Andrew.
name at domain wrote ..
> I was curious. Mozilla Firefox is not considered free
software because
> it has some proprietary things concerning logos, correct?
>
> I would assume this was true also for Mozilla Seamonkey? I am
asking because
> frankly I despise Firefox-type browsers. I like Seamonkey and all
it has to
> offer, built-in e-mail for one.
The Mozilla trademark policy is problematic and it doesn't apply to
just Firefox.
http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2011-08/msg00014.html
> Are there any truly free alternatives to Seamonkey (if it isn't free
itself)
Not that I know of.
>
> Also, why does Firefox come up in the Synaptic Repository if it is
not free?
It doesn't. What Trisquel has is modified version called A Browser.
As far as I know Firefox entirely is free software... but it recommends proprietary software (plugins and extensions). Trisquel modifies Firefox to make it not recommend proprietary software. Mozilla's trademark forces the names and the logos of any modified version to be different from those of Mozilla (Mozilla wants a legal leverage in case of malware-infected versions of its software circulating under its branding). That is why Trisquel has Abrowser.
Hey Magic Banana,
That's not the only thing that Mozilla's trademark policy says. It also says that, as long as the Mozilla trademark stuff is included, it must be distributed without charge.
The requirement to rename a modified version is fine, according to the FSF, but Mozilla's trademark policy goes too far, according to the FSF, making Mozilla-branded software non-free through their trademark policy -- Not the software license:
"Unfortunately, such a restriction in a trademark license does make the software nonfree. As we've said in the past, a requirement that you rename the software when you modify it is fine -- but a requirement that you rename it before you distribute it commercially goes too far. Changing the name of a program should be straightforward enough for anybody who modifies the software (and if it isn't, that can be problematic too); the same isn't true for people who simply want to distribute it."
It's not enough to ask if you have the four freedoms or not. There's more.
To quote from the Free Software Definition: Free software does not mean "noncommercial". A free program must be available for commercial use, commercial development, and commercial distribution. Commercial development of free software is no longer unusual; such free commercial software is very important. You may have paid money to get copies of free software, or you may have obtained copies at no charge. But regardless of how you got your copies, you always have the freedom to copy and change the software, even to sell copies.
Therefore, in order for a program to be free, the user must be able to exercise all four freedoms on a commercial or non-commercial basis.
Mozilla's trademark policy forbids the user from exercising freedom #2 on a commercial basis, rendering the Mozilla-branded version of the software non-free.
Of course, someone can always rebrand the software and get out of this (like Trisquel does) and anyone that is in possession of this modified version does have a free program but the Mozilla-branded version still has that problem.
Thank you all for the comments, maybe if I get the know how like I would like to become completely free with my software usage (such as learning to code and working on packages myself) I will try and do something myself to get a trisquel/free software based Mozilla suite up and going...
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