TRISQUE MIGHT HAVE BEEN COMPROMISED
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(this is a copy of my last reply on the thread that was UNJUSTLY and WRONGLY moved by an anonymous person to the Troll Hole. If you want to know why I say they things I say, take a look there... quickly before they delete it! This thread however is here so that the end results are not hidden from anyone. What follows is my last reply to what was a very stupid and unfair way of treating a user in a public forum.)
So... we came to this.
Now I miss OpenBSD community. They might be rough and tough, but they are HONEST!
Unlike them, this forum has pretended to be a serious one, but now shows his true face: don't like a thread, hide it deep in the Troll Hole. Think that someone might be questioning the "saint" that is Trisquel developer, instead of offering any reason just try to shut him down.
In the OpenBSD, yeah they might flame you, but they also got your back. Here, we have people who are always there to criticize and harass users who speak their thoughts out loud, but they are not there to help people who need.
Take for example the thread where Lembas asked a simples question: how to associate one file with one program? The only people who tried to help were me and janlete. As for the users who have constantly harassed me (like the asshole, AKA quantumgravity, or the guy who thinks knows everything about seurity, AKA Magic Banana, and others) they didn't go there to help. Probably they thought it was "too dumb" for their "sensible voices and great knowledges" and decided to let Lembas on his own. Well, I say, fuck them! And fuck the guy who is full of shit and moved the topic to a different location without posting in the thread itself explaining his actions. All of them are full of shit!
My first post was here in the Troll Hole. I have nothing against the place. But there are stupid pieces of shit here who think that they will shut me down and make my last post also be here. Well, I will tell you this, it will not. There are people here who need help with questions, and I will be there to help them. There are issues that need to be called into question, and I will do so. There are assholes here who need to be told to SHUT THE FUCK UP, and I will be there to do that. No one will take me down that easily.
I will however let everyone know that I am currently moving to another distro. Trisquel has shown to be unworthy of any trust, because not only they provide late security updates and poor support, but they also try to hide their stupid decisions (google dns, anyone..?) and hope that those assholes ful of shit will be there to attack anyone who says "Trisquel is doing this or is configured like that and I think I have a better idea". Well, this distro deserves no more trust from me. So, I will move to another distro. One that actually respects their users, instead of having people (maybe they are all the same actually, using fake accounts to have numbers advantage) attacking those who speak freely.
Yes, because people here like free software, but they don't like free speech. They don't want you to use the word piracy, even if that's what they do. They don't like people to point errors and weaknesses in Trisquel, even if those could be easily fixed. No... they want this place to be like 1984 in internet version, where they can control everything and everyone.
Like I said, I will not leave the community, I will probably spend less time here mainly to help people who need help) but I won't abandon this community. Some people might have wanted me to leave, but I won't. If there are weaknesses in Trisquel, they will be revealed, and if I suspect anything I will alert people. If someone has a doubt, I will try to answer. If someone wants FREE options to pirated content, I will provide them (I know more about those than the asshole pirates like quantumgravity).
As fot the assholes like quantumgravity, Magic Banana, onpon4, and others... FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKERS, YOU WON'T KEEP ME SILENT!
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My apologies for everyone who came here to learn about what was wrong with Trisquel (Abrowser way behind firefox security updates, google dns activated by default, firewall disabled in default installation, among other things, so just you know the truth) but you had to read this reply. Anyone who will use any common sense will see that I was harassed multiple times and here I was unjustly moved away. I will not take that from anyone. I will keep replying back to anyone who has serious concerns over their security and privacy (without security you have no privacy and without privacy you have no freedom, no matter the license you use!), and will provide help to anyone who wants and needs... Except those assholes full of shit in their mouths I mentioned earlier.
I am a member!
...And not a single fuck was given that day.
The Trisquel forum is not your personal blog. It is not a democracy. It is a moderated internet message board.
I wish you all the best and I hope you will continue to prosthelytize the fundamental messages of Free software.
ahj
I agree with your statement only 90 percent, the other 10 percent goes to GNUser. Even do, I don't agree with his "um-flowering verbal expressions." Previously, I have read many of his help recommendations to others, are effective and do make sense at certain point. But to move his posting to another and other "deep space frontier" is not fair at all.
Respectfully
Jodiendo
Thanks for your comment.
Yes, I did lose my temper. I admitted that and apologized for that in the first post as you can see. HOWEVER, I lost my temper because of some people here who have been constantly targeting me with unnecessary, unproductive and unjust criticize one after the other, as if trying to shut me up. Well, I ask, how could one react after that?
In one month, quantumgravity for example ALWAYS had some negative comment to make towards me. Some other people would actually say "i did not read what you wrote, but I disagree with you". And finally, my thread was censored. People here don't like it to test if the truth really is truth. We trust Trisquel, but that does not mean we cannot question it from time to time and test to see if it is as good as we believe it is. Some people won't accept that, and I was attacked because of that.
Again, I apologize for the poor verbal expressions I had to use, but believe me, those were the result of having to deal with these people for an entire month constantly attacking me.
As a final word, it makes me very happy that in some way I have been able to make a productive contribution to this community. I will keep doing so, and I hope you will ask me any question any time you need help =) I am here to help, nothing more.
I mostly skip over your writings. I don't feel you have anything interesting to say most of the time. You jump to conclusions alot and don't investigate all those "big" issues you seem to have. And you write too much on top of that.
You should teach yourself to be more calm and to calmly study the things you are interested in. You should strive to fix and make things on your own. You should learn how to express yourself calm and briefly.
I hope you appreciate my feedback.
Thanks for the comment. However I ask you this: you don't read what I write, accusing me of writing too much (as if that was proof of me being wrong, lol) and still try to teach me a moral lesson? No thanks.
I have a brain of my own that I use, instead of merely agreeing with everything that appears written here by some people. And I had the courage to fight back when attacked and they tried to silent me. Even made censorship. Well, I stand here, unafraid, to fight back against the attempts at making this a tyranny and to help the honest members of this community.
Oh, and sorry if I took a too much larger portion of your precious desktop -.-
Hope you appreciate my feedback.
Thank you
For those who like to be lied to, read what MAgic Banana wrote. Those who want to know the truth and decide by themselves, read the whole thread (the one that was cowardly and unjustly moved to the Troll Hole).
Although, given the way Magic Banana and other have been treating me, I do feel like living among the Trolls. Good thing I don't fear them.
Please, There is no need for keeping this, here we all look for freedom and privacy and perhaps there was too much text interpreted as offensive language but there is no need to keep an unproductive war for some bad chosen words.
We try to help each other in this forum, we are humans and we are not perfect.
Sometimes emotions tend to make us behave not as well as we wish that is why is so important to be able to forgive and understand.
Being helpful, I gave GNUser the answer to his problem. That is probably what he interpreted as offensive (feel free to report any offense that would be in that post or in any post I wrote). Indeed, GNUser's offenses start in response to that post. I quote:
- "fuck you asshole full of shit";
- "you are just an asshole".
The offenses continue in that subsequent post:
- "the asshole, AKA quantumgravity";
- " Well, I say, fuck them! And fuck the guy who is full of shit and moved the topic to a different location";
- "All of them are full of shit!";
- "There are assholes here who need to be told to SHUT THE FUCK UP, and I will be there to do that";
- "those assholes ful of shit";
- "the asshole pirates like quantumgravity";
- "As fot the assholes like quantumgravity, Magic Banana, onpon4, and others... FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKERS";
- "those assholes full of shit in their mouths".
I do not think this language leaves a lot to "interpretation".
I am a member!
Is there any way to get this guy banned from the forums. He's either mentally unbalanced or a troll and we don't need people coming to this forum and seeing this kind of nonsense.
More speech is always better than no speech. Those who think GNUser's speech is bad should combat it with more speech rather than silence it.
I don't want to jump in the discussion, but I just want to say this:
Only an obscene person will condemn obscenity. For example
children accept swearing as a natural language, but adults condemn it because their own obscenity is greater than that of children. The jovial man-about-town with a stock of obscene stories will sternly reprove his son for talking about excrement. The untruthful mother will spank her child for lying. I have seen a man, with pipe in mouth, whipping his son for smoking. I have heard a man say as he hit his son of twelve, "I'll teach you to swear, you little bastard." When I remonstrated, he said glibly, "It's different when I curse. He’s just a kid."
So, I guess, to start to talk about one's obscene things and condemn it, means "mental offtopic", not formal offtopic, no matter how a words obscene were.
Some people changes their values in time, some not. We write a text messages here; so, even if one said obscene words sometimes, however, after while he/she may already "forget what he said" (but the messages with obscene words are still availabe to see, and not available to edit). But maybe that's not so important thing to pay your attention at obscenity? If you start to condemn it, then you fix the interest over it, and pass the actual problems.
I was the one who put that thread (and now this one) where I think it belongs, with some concerns as always when this situation arises, because it hides perfectly reasonable answers along with ranting and misinformed statements. In any case, none of those concerns were about how unjust was to put a thread which began with an ALLCAPS dubious statement and followed with quite a lot of personal attack and not a lot of value to add to the purpose of these forums.
I guess all the frequent users of this site know that we try to minimize meddling with the community as much as possible, as nobody likes overzealous mods, but I'm getting slightly upset of the attitudes of some and thinking that maybe it's time for a change towards a little bit more active moderation.
With this being said, I'm really proud of being in the same community as many who try their best to be reasonable in the face of adversity, and I really hope that those who lost their temper will regain it, focus back on what's important and leave the nonsense at some other place where it fits better.
>I was the one who put that thread (and now this one) where I think it belongs
So, finally you show your face.
Well, learn something: when you move a thread, you should at least have the decency of posting so in said thread, because otherwise visitors of the site will think it was the OP who decided that was the right place to put it.
Also, I will tell you something: what you did was censorship. That's plainly wrong. Goes against everything we stand for (or at least that we should, not that I think you and I fight for the same causes anymore) and also, only shows the weaknesses of the people behind this whole thing. You never intervened when people were saying "yeah, piracy is great!" or when they were saying "Trisquel is the best OS in the world!". But you did when someone actually had the guts to say something that you might not like. I realize that maybe Trisquel was not compromised (both in my system or in a general sense) but still, the way it was handled by both you and some people in this forum, only goes to show the kind of low self respect you all have.
You know, it was not the weaknesses and stupid ideas put into Trisquel that made me move away from it and take on another (way better) operating system. It was the attitudes from people in here. I don't want to say "I am using the same OS as those people over there" while pointing to this forum where censorship is used as well as bullying attacks. Of course, the fact that Trisquel has no security measures and the fact that it uses GOOGLE DNS (so stupid idea I can't even write it without laughing out loud) and the fact that security updates come like... weeks or months after the problems are discovered... all those things made me understand that this was not a good operating system. It's an operating system that exists so that people can pretend to be better than everyone else and say "I am better, I am free because I use Trisquel and it is supported by the FSF".
Well, the FSF does not have any power over my decisions and neither does Trisquel. I have choosen to move to another operating system, one where I can have free software ALONG with SECURITY STABILITY and PRIVACY.
Having said that, I will still come here from times to times, to try and help someone who needs some good advice. That is until you decide to just delete my account showing once again that you censor people who think different from you.
I love how you cry for being censored (even if your messages are all easily accessible: one just need to select the appropriate sub-forum) and at the same time complain that people that disagree with you (about sharing of copyrighted works or about the quality of Trisquel) are not censored.
As ahj wrote, "the Trisquel forum is not your personal blog. It is a moderated internet message board". If you disagree with its rules, just write a blog. Nobody will prevent you. You are not censored.
As for bullying, I only know of one Trisquel user who insulted people. For instance, calling them "assholes" and sending them "to fuck their assholes full of shit".
And, again, the Google DNS was a bug that has been fixed in the latest version. Not a choice.
For the record (although we all know you do not care about facts), Firefox 23 arrived in Trisquel less than one week after it reached Ubuntu and the DNS change (which required rebuilding all Trisquel's images) took a little more than two weeks after the problem was discovered.
Well, yeah, supporting illegal sharing is more of a reason to move a thread to the Troll Hole than calling the OS into question. But of course you don't like it whenever someone asks questions about Trisquel or if it should be trusted or not. Some people here just assume Trisquel is the best OS in the world and will defend it for death... Too bad that whenever you assume, you make an ass out of you and me.
For the record... what, are you trying to say that Trisquel is more security minded than Debian or that it is faster fixing things up? Dude, do you even know what the Debian project is? Do you even know that Trisquel only exists thanks to the Debian project?? Show some respect! Two weeks for a simple (and dumb) issue as using google dns as default is unacceptable! Or better saying, it was the best that Trisquel team could do (which is totally fine) but we should understand that Trisquel has some security issues, one being the slow updates.
Again: host your own forum if you want to decide its rules.
And you know your thread was not moved to the Troll Hole because you "call the OS into question" but because you wrongly "alerted everyone" that "TRISQUE MIGHT HAVE BEEN COMPROMISED" and because you insulted the users who were explaining you why you were wrong.
Why don't you follow your own advice and host your own, instead of coming here trying to preach to everyone and boss me around?
I don't see anywhere that this board has the purpose of providing pirate links, you must be mistaken.
It was censorship pure and simple. that's all.
Why did you avoided my last paragraph? If there was nothing for you to deny, you could have the decency of agreeing. Unless you are too proud for that... So?
I am OK with the rules of this forum. You obviously are not since you pretend you were censored.
About you second paragraph, I am fed up with justifying things I do not write but that you want me to write. Where did you see me show some disrespect for Debian? Tell me!
You are in denial, what happened here was censorship. Pure and simple.
You and I have been arguing bout this in two different threads and I am tired of it. You keep saying that Trisquel is above all question and that it is perfectly fine for it to be ubuntu based. I say we have the right to question Trisquel (in order to improve it, not disrespect the creators) and it would be better based on Debian. You reject that idea which seems to have more consideration for ubuntu and canonical than Debian. But you know what? Think whatever you want. Just don't try to preach and boss other users around. Especially me. Got it? -.^
"the fact that it uses GOOGLE DNS"
I didn't know that. Thank you, that's the kind of thing I want to know. I don't like spyware.
No problem man ;)
It was a mistake, I don't think it was "evil purposes acting on the backstage", but it was an irritating mistake. One that helped me to realise that I was better using Debian (only the main rep, only free software :D).
However, people around here dislike when someone questions Trisquel or its development -.- So, if you want to stay out of trouble, be careful with what you say. You can read my threads as a clear example of what happens when someone talks about certain things... :S
Oh man, I've been on holidays for just 5 days, and now look at this....
- according to GNUser, many people in this forum only want to harass nice members like him instead of helping people and he considers Magic Banana as an example.
Advice for GNUser: have a look at the french forum, you don't have to understand a word. Magic Banana answered with unshakable patience like hundred requests .
That's another thing than just insulting people who don't share your opinion.
GNUser mentioned some things about me which I want to clarify:
1. *I don't do any illegal* sharing because I'm very happy with CC stuff, but I do not consider it as unethical.
2. I don't do any piracy; I never attacked any ship. And no, GNUser, this is not a childish joke I make in order to harass you, I clarify this because I don't want to spread propaganda terms.
You called me a pirate (or a pirating asshole, however) and so this is wrong from my point of view as well as from yours.
In my opinion it is no good censoring anyone. GNUser seems to have a big problem with critizism. Whenever he hears something against his opinion, he feels personally attacked and harassed (it's no matter how often I disagreed with you, I never had something personally against you; how should this be even possible? I don't know you at all), then he starts insulting people.
He
a) violates the normal law of social politeness and kindness (I hope this is the right expression in english) because he insults people
b) the rules of the forum, because they include not to spread false propaganda terms
and I think he won't stop,
but we shouldn't censor him.
I just wanted to correct some things; to the actual topic, everything has been clarified as far as I can see.
GNUser... if you hate Trisquel so much, what distro would you recommend instead to those you call *insert profanity which I don't want to repeat here*? Or would you want to use something other than linux entirely?
You keep yelling your profanity-ridden opinion, but you never clarified it.
I don't hate Trisquel. I just don't get what is the logic of the people who make the calls. Trisquel is free software only, but it has google dns by default?? WTF??
I actually considered sticking with Trisquel and changing everything that was wrong with it, but someone here already said "you won't find everything". Which is true. I would never think about chekcing which dns I was using, because I assumed Trisquel was safe from it.
As of now, I have decided to move to Debian Stable. I encourage Trisquel
to start using Debian as a base to work. Until then, I encourage everyone to use Debian as their main OS. Maybe keep dual boot with Trisquel to keep experimenting with it, but don't rely on it.
Debian is well, STABLE of course, but it also has other advantages. Many different architectures (powerpc, mips, etc) many different kernels (linux, hurd, kfreebsd) and a stronger commitment to principles than Canonical. Debian is free software only (you can add non free of course, but you can also do that in Trisquel), it has a LOOOOOONG history so you have a background to check already, and it has a strong SECURITY mindset! That alone is enough reason to go with it. I have already learned a few things reading through their documentations and tutorials, and now prepared my PC with many different security solutions provided by debian that make me feel a little bit safe on the internet (and also with other people around my computer). Contrary to the folks at Trisquel that say "you don't need a firewall". -.-
So, Debian is right now THE operating system anyone should go with.
Clarified enough?
This argument has gone out of hand. Why don't we start over and do something more productive? Like writing Python scripts and hacking at twm config files?
Some comments
- Does Trisquel use GoogleDNS? WTF why? Why not OpenNIC or would that not work? I am not an expert programmer so maybe I am misunderstanding some of these terms. Google should not be involved here, at all.
Also, GNUuser seems to genuinely care about the respecting the freedoms of users and making sure this free software does that.
Please do not censor people here. If I read something that offends me, I will move on to another post and I think this is what all adults should do. I would prefer so much if no censorship occurred here at all. Create a vote system so that the community can deal with problem users and not have this rely on a moderator. If Trisquel has some defects, and it probably does, no one should ever feel like they cant bring them up in any way they see fit.
Magic Banana - I am sure you have friends and supporters here. In reading this thread, your main weapon seems to be invalidating others, particularly GNUser, rather than addressing the points made. At least that is my initial impression. I share this with you because I think you are an asshole and woud like you to know that.
It is peculiar to create an account to only complain about the way the forum is moderated and to write that I am an "asshole" (do you actually think "this is what adults do"?!).
Anyway, I will assume you are not GNUser and that you simply have not read the original thread. I would actually advise you to only read this summary (GNUser's ramblings are really long) but since you would not trust my sole words, just read the whole thread.
You keep trying to be the sole voice who speaks in here... Always complaining about what I write and trying to give everyone your own interpretation. I tend to agree with the user who criticized you. And honestly, when you start acting like an adult, you can talk about what adults do.
Hey, sorry it took me so long to reply to you.
Well, someone seems to get it right. I have already moved over the fact that I was censored here and I am trying to contribute anyway. But yes, some times people here act... like assholes xD lol.
Like you said, I care about the freedom and privacy of the users. I actually care more about the code than the license. That's my way of looking at things, and I think it's the best.
Anyway, I am using Debian and still am a part of Trisquel forum, so, you can be too and should be ;)
Funny ! I didn't know that the mouse could have a mountain (much ado about nothing).
I was just a new Trisquel user and I didn't ever imagine that trying Linterna Mágica would open Pandora's box. Lough out loudly !
As it was told, I uninstalled Linterna Mágica but also Greasemonkey, because I didn't really need them. After that I didn't try again to install Linterna Mágica. Consequently I don't know if this problem has been solved (maybe someone talks about it in another thread).
If you want, I can translate the thread I created (about this "#").
For your information, I installed back Greasemonkey (without Linterna Mágica) to install Viewtube, a script that Magic Banana suggested me in this (French-speaking) thread : (in order to download videos from YouTube, DailyMotion, etc.)
https://trisquel.info/fr/forum/comment-mettre-%C3%A0-jour-clipgrab-et-quelque-logiciel-libre
Anyway, I will try once Debian and the following operating system :
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html
Just an off-topic question :
On https://www.thinkpenguin.com we can buy computers, whose hardware is compatible with free operating systems. In one field we are invited to write the operating system we want to be installed. I supposed that there is no problem with : Debian ; Trisquel ; Ututo ; Blag ; Dragora ; DyneBolic ; GnewSense ; Musix ; Parabola.
Don't use Abrowser then; use Icecat; though that has its own problems - LibreJS flags up scripts on the FSF website; must be a bug.
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