Using proprietary softwares through wine

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QuestionsQuestionsEverywhere
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Beigetreten: 02/02/2015

I would like to install Trisquel on my laptop, but first I´d like to know if I will be able to use ableton through wine. I would also like to know if you can install proprietary software at all but actually the only one I use is ableton, so my question is more specific. Thanks a lot

JaguarSoul87
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Beigetreten: 01/31/2015

For WINE related questions you should go to ask in the WINE forums. We don't encourage or give support for the use or installation of any propietary software, wheter it works or don't.

But besides that, as for audio DAW's you should check out the free software ones that gnu/linux already have to offers you, like Ardour or LMMS by example, those came included in the trisquel repos already and you can install them from there.

tomlukeywood
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Beigetreten: 12/05/2014

just using wine dose not mean the software in non-free
there are libre programs for windows

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--"I would also like to know if you can install proprietary software at all"

Yes, you certainly can. I'd advise you against it, though.

QuestionsQuestionsEverywhere
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Beigetreten: 02/02/2015

Cool thanks for answering my question. Sorry if I touched a theme you prefer to avoid but I thought this was Trisquel related (ableton works through wine, I meant if it could work also in trisquel cause it´s proprietary)

JaguarSoul87
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Beigetreten: 01/31/2015

Yes WINE does work on Trisquel, Ableton won't work but not because it is propietary, just because it didnt have a gnu/linux version/release as you already know ( as many of the most well known commercially and famous DAW's out there ). I do use Trisquel for audio editing/recording even using audio interfaces and other tools, i mainly use Ardour as well as LMMS, and sometimes Qtractor. There aren't too many professional DAW's and the ones that exists aren't up to the same "high standards levels" of the propietary ones that will run on Windows or OSX. Mostly because they are community driven and their development depends on donations, and some of them not even count on that... BUT they aren't too far behind either (Ardour and audacity are crossplatform too and are being used on those systems too ). There are also lots of plugins and virtual instruments and synthetizers ( some of them crossplatforms too ), it does also depends on what kind of music do you make, or for what other pourposes you need those tools, do some research, test them using a Trisquel LiveCD ( or booting from a pendrive ), and you might find a replacement for Ableton.

Cheers.

QuestionsQuestionsEverywhere
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Beigetreten: 02/02/2015

Alright, thanks again for all these infos and advices!!

JaguarSoul87
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Beigetreten: 01/31/2015

You're welcome, that's why we are here.

PS: If you have further questions related to this topic you can find me on trisquel's irc channel (#trisquel, on freenode, with the same nick i use in here) and i can help you out to find some cool stuff that might help with your migration to free software for that particular field. Cheers.

onpon4
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Beigetreten: 05/30/2012

Trisquel doesn't actively prevent you from using any software. That would be a jail functionality, a type of malware, and we wouldn't tolerate it. All Trisquel does is not distribute or recommend proprietary programs. (There is one exception: Linux-libre is unable to load proprietary firmware blobs, but that's because of a design flaw in Linux, not an intentional restriction.)

Jabjabs
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Beigetreten: 07/05/2014

Exactly, install a propritary drive, Windows 8 in a virtual machine and watch a movie from iTunes if you want. Just don't ask us to help you do it.

tomlukeywood
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Beigetreten: 12/05/2014

well i think it should be more like

its a rely rely bad thing if you do and you can
but please dont

onpon4
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Beigetreten: 05/30/2012

"Please don't" suggests that the decision affects you, and it doesn't (not directly, anyway).

tomlukeywood
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Beigetreten: 12/05/2014

true i should not of done that

this example of non-free software only affects one person

there are examples of non-free spyware
that do affect others like iphones that can monitor what everyone in a room is saying

but in this case
i am not affected

rmmmusial
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Beigetreten: 05/19/2014

How are the developers at Debian removing the nonfree firmware blobs without losing the functionality to later add nonfree firmware?

onpon4
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Beigetreten: 05/30/2012

Linux hardcodes the names of firmware files somehow (I don't know the details; could be constants or a C table of some sort, but whatever it is, you can't change what the firmware file names are without recompiling). If one is missing, an error message naming that firmware file is displayed. Debian's Linux just takes out the firmware, so these error messages show. Linux-libre removes these names from the source code and prints "DEBLOBBED" instead of the name of the firmware files, because printing the name of the firmware file like that is too much like a recommendation for it. What Linux should do is have the names of the firmware files in a dataset somewhere else, not hardcoded into the source code; then Linux-libre would be able to just exclude the non-libre firmware from this dataset, and anyone wishing to use the firmware would be able to just add its name in, rather than having to edit the source code and recompile it.

rmmmusial
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Beigetreten: 05/19/2014

Thanks for the great explanation.

lloydsmart

I am a member!

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Beigetreten: 12/22/2012

Thanks for this - it answers a question lots of people have about what the difference is between Debian's kernel and linux-libre.

JadedCtrl
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Beigetreten: 08/11/2014

Some more Free Software alternatives:
"JACK / qjackctl (the GUI for JACK), the tool for interconnecting audio, MIDI, and sync between applications
Hydrogen Drum Machine
Ardour, the terrific, all-free DAW
Rakarrack, a free guitar effects tool set for Linux (one new to me, in fact!)
ZynAddSubFX, probably the most capable free standalone soft synth – ugly, but very powerful, and a candidate for a 'desert island' synth.
[Audacity, basic audio editor.]"

Got this from http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/04/making-music-with-free-and-open-source-software-top-picks-from-red-hat-dave-phillips/

Dogers
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Beigetreten: 12/29/2013

And, if you are searching for a better MIDI editing support than Ardour 3. Consider using Qtractor as a solution. I start every composition with it (even if it looks pretty ugly) and then record my MIDI track to a D.A.W like Ardour 2 ou 3. There is also plenty of plug-in to use with these softwares in the Trisquel repository. My opinion, as a professional sound engineer, is that lots of these free plug-in (like the calf and invada ones) are a lots better than lots of plug-in found in the proprietary world. Before I was using Pro Tools and Ableton Live, but, like I said, this was before I tried Ardour 2 and 3 libre plug-ins. And compared to lots of proprietary DAWs, libre DAWs have no other limits (no track or plug-in per track limit for instance) than your PC specs.

For the cons, maybe you can find Ardour 2 and 3 with a different work-flow than Ableton Live, but once you learn how to use them you will get really fast with audio engineering.

QuestionsQuestionsEverywhere
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Beigetreten: 02/02/2015

Thanks, I'll try Ardour then.
BTW I'd like to precise that I'm not even a musician, I just downloaded ableton cause sometimes I like to improvise something to kill time. So thanks for the help, but don't worry too much, trisquel users, I think I can live without ableton =P also cause I don't know if I have the will to install a crack through WINE. It's just that I was looking at all the softwares I'm using and this one was the only proprietary one(actually foobar too, but that one is not available for linux anyways) so I made this thread just to know how the transiction to trisquel would be. I guess on this forum, being this my first post, it looked like a possible troll.

Dogers
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Beigetreten: 12/29/2013

If you only want to play music to kill time, you do not even need something as complete as ardour. You can use Qsynth. Qsynth is simple SoundFont player. For instance, by installing software like Musescore form the Trisquel repository, you will also automatically download a simple General MIDI SF2 file (a collection of lots of classic, ethnic and synth samples - usually located here : /usr/share/sounds/sf2/). Then, you can load a SoundFont in Qsynth and play anything you want with you MIDI Keyboard.

JaguarSoul87
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Beigetreten: 01/31/2015

Rogers, You are absolutely right in everything you said, specially about the plugins, in my personal opinion when i started using the Calf plugins, they just blowed my mind away, they have such a good sound quality and are so powerful that they just make you laugh at most of of the propietary ones out there, including the so famous and sometimes overrated and overpriced plugins made by "waves". Calf plugins are kickass in lot of aspects and they are not only libre but also gratis... you can't ask for more really.

As another personal recomendation for anyone interested, specially for those who likes to compose, Rosegarden is a great alternative too, even when most people think of it as just a good tabs/partitures editor with "basic" audio editing functions. It's indeed a very powerful and flexible MIDI sequencer, that gives you lots of different ways to create lot of projects with it. Specially since using JACK you can use Rosegarden along with any kind of different plugins and virtual instruments and etc. and then plug everything into a Rosegarden project, and make everything sound great and create really cool things with it, and if you need more then export it to Ardour or others and improve everything further. No limits in what you can do in gnu/linux.

Cheers.