xfce problems

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GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

I just installed xfce DE on my librebooted MacBook2,1 and encountered these two problems:

1) Unlike the default Trisquel DE it looks like it's running on some old MS machine in safe mode. How can make it look good?

2) One of the things I really like about Cinnamon and Mate is the programs search bar. I installed the xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin and restarted but there is no change. What have I done wrong? I installed both xfce4 and the plugin via Synaptic.

grimlok
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Beigetreten: 04/16/2013

1. You can make XFCE look like anything you want if you look for more themes. A good place is here: http://www.xfce-look.org/

2. If you right click on the panel and then select Panel, and then Panel Preferences you will get a window like what you see in the attached image so that you can set your panel up the way you like.

I hope this helps!

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GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

Thanks. Now I got Whisker running and I'm a happy man.

About downloading themes via xfce-look.org, do you automatically trust that software?

Magic Banana

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Beigetreten: 07/24/2010

Take a look at the COPYING file or at the LICENSE file in the tarball and see if the terms are acceptable to you. For purely artistic content, many of us only insist that it should be freely shareable (or even freely sharable in a noncommercial way).

GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

Thanks for pointing me to consider that as well. I was actually only concerned about security. Can't themes contain malicious software or pose a thread?

SuperTramp83

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Beigetreten: 10/31/2014

>...it looks like it's running on some old MS machine in safe mode.

:D

True, by default Xfce is not very sexy. But you can make it look very nice very easily.

I am currently using the Arc gtk theme, with the Arc icon theme (inheriting moka icons).

This is how it looks (I just set the panel transparent) ->
https://framapic.org/JMFTHyGeSHAY/IMCnkSwwh8yw.png

Here, dem links ->
https://github.com/horst3180/arc-theme
https://github.com/horst3180/arc-icon-theme
https://github.com/snwh/moka-icon-theme

GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

Thanks. That looks good.

Is there any performance issues with themes? That is, will complex themes eat the machines memory?

SuperTramp83

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Beigetreten: 10/31/2014

Arc just happens to be a very complex one. I see no difference in terms of performance, and I have a very old laptop. :)

GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

In your menu you've got the categories to the left. How did you get them there?

SuperTramp83

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Beigetreten: 10/31/2014

>In your menu you've got the categories to the left. How did you get them there?

Oh, it's very easy mate, do this: right click on the whiskermenu icon, properties, tab 'behavior' -> mark 'position categories next to panel buttons'.

GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

Hmm, I don't have hat option!

loldier
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Beigetreten: 02/17/2016

...

debian9_xfce.png debian9_xfce_whiskermenu.png
GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

I don't have it. And I've only got three tabs there...

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loldier
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Beigetreten: 02/17/2016

I see. It must be something that was introduced in a later version of Xfce. Debian 9 has Xfce 4.12.

GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

I am running version 4.10. I'll try to upgrade.

Thanks

GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

Would I have to download it from e.g. xfce.org in order to get a newer version?

loldier
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Beigetreten: 02/17/2016

The packaged version in Belenos is Xfce4 4.10 only. To upgrade, you have a few choices: go with Flidas Alpha (don't know if it's packaged yet) or use a PPA, use Debian 9 Xfce, compile from source or... something else like wait until it's there.

http://packages.trisquel.info/belenos/xfce4

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/xfce

GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

Would it work to add the Debian repo and install from there? and would that cause problems in other respects?

loldier
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Beigetreten: 02/17/2016

I doubt it will install. Unmet dependencies.

GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

Thanks. It leave that idea and perhaps add a PPA for xfce

SuperTramp83

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Beigetreten: 10/31/2014

>I see. It must be something that was introduced in a later version of Xfce. Debian 9 has Xfce 4.12

I had this option on Debian 8 too, and that one had xfce 4.10. My bet is your whiskermenu plugin is of an ancient version too muchy much, mateson. Compile only that one, no need to compile xfce only for whisker x_X

loldier
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Beigetreten: 02/17/2016

I think it can be updated by adding a new repo.

https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/1721

https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=9559

Or make sure the package 'xfce4-goodies' is installed (it includes and will add, among other things, 'xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin').

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GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

The 'xfce4-goodies' package is installed. I might give it a go with the gcppa if compiling is out of reach (for the moment).

GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

I still haven't tried compiling myself. Could this be a nice littel first project, and can you guide me with/to instructions?h

SuperTramp83

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Beigetreten: 10/31/2014

>instructions

Here da source

Here da instructions

GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

Thanks a lot. Now I just need to find instructions of how to understand the instructions :-)

Example of my uncertainty:

The instruction says:
2. `mkdir build && cd build' to create a location for building.

Don't I have to give it a name? What would be a suitable name in order to not make confusions for my self or the compiler later?

I.e.: Can I follow the instructions as they are, or do I need to have further knowledge that allows me to understand underlying interpretations and perceptivenesses?

loldier
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Beigetreten: 02/17/2016

I'm on Devuan live USB now. It's got Xfce 4.10. I installed whisker menu

sudo apt-get install xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin

The 'position categories next to panel button' is behind the 'appearance' tab.

devuan_whisker_categories_appearance.png devuan_whisker.png
GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

I suppose that means Devuan repo has a newer version of whisker menu?

loldier
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Beigetreten: 02/17/2016

https://gottcode.org/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/

I think it was introduced in version 1.4.0 (25th June, 2014), which is the version Devuan has.

devuan_whiskermenu.png whisker_140.png
GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

And that is not even the latest version! I can't find an option to reveal the version. Can you guide me?

loldier
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Beigetreten: 02/17/2016

Right click Whisker icon --> about

Devuan 1.0 is based on Jessie (Debian 8).

devuan_whisker_about.png
GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

I also don't have that option! What is wrong?

whisker menu options.png
Magic Banana

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Beigetreten: 07/24/2010

Is there even software in an Xfce theme? If there is, then a risk may exist and the software should be *free* software, as in "all four essential freedoms". If so, anyone (including you) can study it and there is little risk that the author willingly made it malware (keeping the source code secret is much easier).

But I do not even think a theme includes any software. It probably only is composed of images (icons, cursors, etc.) and of CSS-like files (to describe the "widgets": position, size, color, etc.).

GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

This is good and enlightening information. But I am a little worried about the use of "think". Do you have the knowledge and insight to seek (and understand) verification on this issue?

SuperTramp83

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Beigetreten: 10/31/2014

Worried about what? The license of the theme is GPLv3.

GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

Worried about "think" means "not sure" which to a security/privacy seeking itiot like me means: Could be a risk to privacy/security.

Magic Banana

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Beigetreten: 07/24/2010

It indeed means I am not sure: I only opened the archives of a few popular themes and have not seen any software. I do not think an Xfce theme can include software but I have not looked at what an Xfce theme can theoretically do.

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This doesn't answer any of your questions, but I wanted to ask if there are any quirks with the macbook not mentioned on the Libreboot website. So are there any?

Thanks

GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

Generally I'ld say it works fine. I still haven't had the time to work a lot with it so I have almost only done some email (Icedove) and web (Abrowser). So far I'm happy. This is more or less the first time I work on an Apple computer and I still need to get used to some keys different position. At this moment I don't know where the at-mark key is! Anf then there is the one-button-touch-pad-thing! But it work well with a mouse.

When installing there are some quirks. I am working on a more detailed guide, but I need some time. So far it's: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/liberating-macbook-21-flashing-libreboot-and-installing-trisquel

Feel free to ask again...

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I am planning to buy an imac 5,2 and flash Libreboot on it. It uses the same ROM as the macbook 2,1. If the macbook has some weird problems, the imac might also have them. But if you say the macbook works, I will just try and see how it goes.

GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

I thought of that as well. What are your considerations on getting a desktop instead of a laptop?

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I already have a thinkpad x200 and I would like to replace my current desktop which has a non-free BIOS. What I like about desktops is that they of have bigger screens than my laptop. The ability to use larger keyboards is nice as well.

GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

Yeah, I reckon. How about a dock with attached larger display and keyboard? Two displays can be convenient.

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I could do that, but here are a few other advantages (for me at least) to having a separate desktop like having your documents and pictures on two computers in case a hard drive fails, better sound (this could be solved by external speakers for the laptop, too). I also would like to flash Libreboot myself, when I bought my thinkpad it was already flashed with Libreboot.

Anyway, I'll keep your suggestion in mind.

GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

I also would like to flash Libreboot myself

I know what you mean. That one reason why I supplemented my x200 with a MacBook2,1 :-)

GNUbahn
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Beigetreten: 02/19/2016

One guy at the ask-ubuntu site advocates for

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.12
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
sudo apt-get install xfce4

and then

sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
sudo ppa-purge ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.12

Would I afterwards have to update xfce manually then?