migrating from ubuntu 2004
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greetings . . .
for a lot of years -- close to 15 -- i've been using ubuntu and upgrading
by changing the version names in the individual lines
in /etc/apt/sources.list. this has resulted in upgrades that required
little or no reconfiguration. having gotten a little cranky with canonical
lately -- no, a lot cranky -- i'm seeking an alternative, and trisquel
seems the likely choice.
however, there are certain "non-free" packages i need, particularly video
drivers.
so before i dive into downloading stuff, i have a couple of questions,
which are no doubt answered somewhere in the archives but i can't find
them.
the first is whether by pointing at the trisquel servers in
my /etc/apt/sources.list instead of ubuntu ones, i can switch by simply
doing the usual apt update / apt upgrade -- are the package names the
same? i've seen the script for upgrading from ubuntu 1204, but that hasn't
been of much use to me for about a decade. it seems as if the script does
mostly what i've been doing by hand, and i'd just as soon do it by hand.
second, is there a non-free repository for things like vid drivers? i
presume my other sources.list lines, that have to do with ppas and the
like, could remain intact.
finally, what version name (focal, jammy, for instance, should i employ;
more specifically, is there a model sources.list I could copy from?
thanks in advance.
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First of all: welcome!
there are certain "non-free" packages i need, particularly video drivers.
The Trisquel community will not "help" you install non-free software, because it does not consider it would actually be helping you: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/trisquel-community-guidelines
by pointing at the trisquel servers in my /etc/apt/sources.list instead of ubuntu ones, i can switch by simply doing the usual apt update / apt upgrade
Non-free packages would remain and would never be upgraded, even if vulnerabilities in them are exploited.
If I were you, I would export the list of installed packages following https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/cloning-system-or-how-make-copy-installed-packages-one-computer-another (for instance), make a fresh install of Trisquel 11 Beta 6 (based on Ubuntu 22.04) using the ISO on https://cdbuilds.trisquel.org/aramo/ providing your desktop environment of preference (tell us which one it is if you do not know what ISO to download) and import the packages. Those that are not installable are certainly proprietary software.
are the package names the same?
Yes.
is there a non-free repository for things like vid drivers?
No. Trisquel is 100% free software.
i presume my other sources.list lines, that have to do with ppas and the like, could remain intact.
You can save those files before the fresh install too. For your own sake, I hope you will not re-add PPAs proposing proprietary software.
what version name (focal, jammy, for instance, should i employ
The code name of Trisquel 10 (based on Ubuntu 20.04) is Nabia. That of Trisquel 11 (based on Ubuntu 22.04) is Aramo.
is there a model sources.list I could copy from?
Because I download the packages from https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/trisquel-packages/ (there are many other mirrors), I use Trisquel 11 Aramo, and I need not the source packages, my /etc/apt/sources.list is:
# Trisquel repositories for supported software and updates
deb https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/trisquel-packages/ aramo main
deb https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/trisquel-packages/ aramo-security main
deb https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/trisquel-packages/ aramo-updates main
deb https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/trisquel-packages/ aramo-backports main
said name at domain:
| The Trisquel community will not "help" you install non-free software,
| because it does not consider it would actually be helping you:
| https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/trisquel-community-guidelines
| . . .
| Non-free packages would remain and would never be upgraded, even if
| vulnerabilities in them are exploited.
This could be a fatal problem for me. I certainly need Nvidia drivers and
the associated configuration software. I certainly need scanner software
that comes only as binary blobs. And even Debian, long the gold standard
in ideological purity, makes allowance for the occasional necessity of
non-free software.
| If I were you, I would export the list of installed packages following
| https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/cloning-system-or-how-make-copy-installed-
|packages-one-computer-another (for instance), make a fresh install of
| Trisquel 11 Beta 6 (based on Ubuntu 22.04) using the ISO on
| https://cdbuilds.trisquel.org/aramo/ providing your desktop environment
| of preference (tell us which one it is if you do not know what ISO to
| download) and import the packages. Those that are not installable are
| certainly proprietary software.
The CD builds directory to which you pointed me is apparently empty,
whether I enable the associated script -- itself kind of non-free, I
think; it's picked up by NoScript and I don't have access to its
contents -- or not. I use the Trinity Desktop, which is certainly free. I
do not know if you roll a CD that contains it. (I've used it and its KDE
predecessor sunce the day KDE 1.0 was released in July 1998.)
| i presume my other sources.list lines, that have to do with ppas and the
| like, could remain intact.
|
| You can save those files before the fresh install too. For your own
| sake, I hope you will not re-add PPA proposing proprietary software.
Again, I'm unclear as to whose sake this would be for. I find my sake to be
enhanced by my being able to use my monitors and my scanner.
Thanks very much for the information, and Trisquel does indeed seem
promising, and I think ideological purity is a fine thing, but having a
computer that works is for me a finer thing.
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I certainly need Nvidia drivers and the associated configuration software.
For Nvidia's GPUs, Trisquel ships with the nouveau driver, which is free software. If, in addition to the Nvidia card, you have Intel integrated graphics, they may give better performances, depending on what we are talking about (for instance, I believe Intel's driver provides better video decoding performance).
The CD builds directory to which you pointed me is apparently empty
It is not anymore: https://cdbuilds.trisquel.org/aramo/
According to https://trisquel.info/forum/aramo-iso-beta-6-mar-07-2023 an issue was detected between my post above and your reply. It is now fixed, apparently.
I use the Trinity Desktop, which is certainly free.
The Trinity Desktop Environment is not in the repository of Trisquel 11 Aramo, which essentially contains the free packages in Ubuntu 22.04 Jammy's repositories, but with some freedom-enhancing patches.
If you know how to edit files in a terminal (for instance using nano), install https://cdbuilds.trisquel.org/aramo/trisquel-netinst_11.0_amd64.iso and follow the instructions on https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds substituting "your-distribution-release-name" for "jammy".
If not, install another ISO (with MATE if you install https://cdbuilds.trisquel.org/aramo/trisquel_11.0_amd64.iso , with KDE if you install https://cdbuilds.trisquel.org/aramo/triskel_11.0_amd64.iso , etc.) and follow the same instructions on Trinity's wiki (still using "jammy" for "your-distribution-release-name"). You may then remove the desktop environment you will not use anymore (or keep it: it just takes disk space).
Again, I'm unclear as to whose sake this would be for.
Definitely yours. Whatever you run on your machine only affects you.
I find my sake to be enhanced by my being able to use my monitors and my scanner.
The nouveau driver will allow you to use your monitors. If your card is very recent (Trisquel 11 is based on Ubuntu 22.04, which was released in April 2022), you may need a newer kernel. https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/freesh explains how to install the latest Linux-libre kernel on any distribution using APT, Trisquel included.
Many scanners have free drivers too, but yours may be out of the list.
said name at domain:
| For Nvidia's GPUs, Trisquel ships with the nouveau driver, which is free
| software. If, in addition to the Nvidia card, you have Intel integrated
| graphics, they may give better performances, depending on what we are
| talking about (for instance, I believe Intel's driver provides better
| video decoding performance).
I've tried the nouveau driver. It does not perform well on my setup. The
Nvidia OEM one does. I do not have, nor do I want, built-in video. I shode
my vid card for a reason.
I suppose I should note, not to wade too deeply into the philosophy of it
all, that among the various ways of looking at freedom is freedom to
configure my computer as I wish, so as to use it as I want to perform the
tasks I choose to perform. This is not meant as a criticism of you or
Trisquel, merely an expression of my desire to explore Trisquel and
possibly to migrate to it if I can continue to enjoy freedom as I see it.
Without the ability to use drivers that are seen by some as ideologically
impure, I'll have to undertake the probably more difficult task of
migrating to Debian instead.
| If you know how to edit files in a terminal (for instance using nano),
| install
| https://cdbuilds.trisquel.org/aramo/trisquel-netinst_11.0_amd64.iso and
| follow the instructions on
| https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds substituting
| "your-distribution-release-name" for "jammy".
Yes, I know how to install TDE. Further, I hope and presume -- please
correct me if I'm wrong here -- that it is possible simply to
point /etc/apt/sources.list to Trisquel servers rather than Ubuntu and to
affect a migration. Is this so? Additionally, it seems foolish to try to
change the distro *and* the version in one bite, so I'd need either to do
the version upgrade -- 20.04 in Ubuntu nomenclature to 22.04 -- in Ubuntu
or to migrate from 20.04 to whatever its Trisquel equivalent is and then
upgrade to the current release. That's simply to make resolving the
inevitable breakages a bit easier.
Right so far?
What worries me is that Trisquel might try to shoehorn stuff I very much
don't want -- nouveau is top of the list -- and that I'd be left with no
source of software I need. I suppose I could try to track down their PPAs,
but what I don't want is something coming in and breaking well-tuned
configurations.
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I've tried the nouveau driver. It does not perform well on my setup.
As I told you, the newer kernels may better support it (or not): https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/freesh
I suppose I should note, not to wade too deeply into the philosophy of it all, that among the various ways of looking at freedom is freedom to configure my computer as I wish, so as to use it as I want to perform the tasks I choose to perform.
Sure. Just do not expect anybody here will assist you in installing/configuring/using proprietary software, drivers included. As I told you, it is against the guidelines of this community.
I hope and presume -- please correct me if I'm wrong here -- that it is possible simply to point /etc/apt/sources.list to Trisquel servers rather than Ubuntu and to affect a migration. Is this so?
As I told you: "Non-free packages would remain and would never be upgraded, even if vulnerabilities in them are exploited". That is why I proposed you to install Trisquel from an ISO, after saving the list of packages, /etc (it contains the configuration of the system), and everything in the user home folders (what you probably already do: backups are importants), what includes the personal configuration of their applications. In this way, you can reuse all that on your fresh Trisquel system, if you wish. By the way, if your /home is on a separate partition (is it?), you can tell the installer to reuse it, without formatting.
Additionally, it seems foolish to try to change the distro *and* the version in one bite, so I'd need either to do the version upgrade -- 20.04 in Ubuntu nomenclature to 22.04 -- in Ubuntu or to migrate from 20.04 to whatever its Trisquel equivalent is and then upgrade to the current release. That's simply to make resolving the inevitable breakages a bit easier.
Installing Trisquel 11 from the ISO will not break anything: you start afresh. You then install and configure whatever you want on top of Trisquel 11.
What worries me is that Trisquel might try to shoehorn stuff I very much don't want -- nouveau is top of the list -- and that I'd be left with no source of software I need.
As I told you, Trisquel's repository is 100% free software. That is not "shoehorning". It is making system administration easy for those who refuse proprietary software: without third-party repositories, there is no way proprietary software is installed by mistake.
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