Accessibility of Trisquel 6 Live Images?
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Are the Trisquel Mini images supposed to be as accessible as the GNOME
images? I tried one and am not sure Orca is even on Mini. If Mini is
not yet accessible, the announcement should read,
"All the GNOME images are equally accessible"...
Unfortunately, it looks like you are right since the following command does not return anything:
$ wget http://cdimage.trisquel.info/trisquel-images/trisquel-mini_6.0_amd64.manifest -qO - | grep orca
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There always seem to be major oversights like this with the Mini edition. Ruben clearly doesn't have enough time to devote to it to make it adhere to the same standards as Trisquel standard.
I feel like, at the same time he releases the standard edition, he should announce an official Release Candidate of Mini and invite people to play with it. Give that a few weeks, iron out the kinks, and then release that.
It's not as good for PR as releasing it all at the same time, but it would lead to a better Mini edition.
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:) I think things are spread too thin as it is still. This move to LTS only wasn't taken lightly. The development should focus on doing one thing right. I'm using a desktop environment I can't stand right now. However it is better for it to work than be something I prefer that doesn't.
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Would you drop Mini if you were Ruben? :)
I do feel like Mini, and lightweight distributions in general, are getting a bit less relevant than in 2010 when Mini debuted.
The generation of computers that required Mini and couldn't run the standard edition is fast becoming extinct. Most computers from the last 10 years are ready to run Trisquel standard edition.
A new netbook should be able to run Trisquel standard edition just fine ... on that hardware, M$'s Restricted Boot BS is more of a barrier than RAM limits or something.
And an old-school desktop metaphor just plain doesn't cut it on a tablet in the first place. That's a non-starter.
Mini is still important in poorly developed nations where computer hardware isn't up to the par of the first world. But what are the numbers, really? Is our adoption rate in such places a mere flash in the pan?
P.S.: It's nice to have a real (Free Software based) business owner and entrepreneur in these discussions. Too many hobby hackers in a project mean that things can quickly lose contact with reality. ;)
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I don't think we need to be too concerned about older hardware. If it runs on a dual-core with 1GB of memory then your going to be hitting the people who are receiving donated computers from organizations like Freegeek (non-profit computer recycling organization). You might have older systems laying around. These are likely toys though and having this hardware work is not that critical.
Would I abandon the mini edition? Yes. Would I abandon the KDE edition? Yes.
I would focus on fixing the underlying issues which are creating problems for mainstream adoption.
We fixed (to the extent necessary) the hardware problem with ThinkPenguin. We need to fix the non-free software dependency issues now. I think that largely means coming up with a replacement to entertainment (something to replace netflix, hulu, etc) options that are just as easy. I don't think this issue is insurmountable. It just requires some creative thinking.
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Chris, you're spot on.
Pass the suggestions on to Ruben. I don't go on #trisquel IRC much, and it's been a long time since I've even used the system. But I do check on this distro now and again to get the pulse of the fully-free distro movement.
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If I remember I might. I'll probably talk to Rubén at LibrePlanet next week. I believe he is going to that event again. Not sure who is paying although I think it is being covered by someone. If not there are the Trisquel funds.
Its not my place to be directing the project although I don't mind giving input. I'm sure Rubén's going to have a pretty good reason for continuing this offshoot if I mention this. I think there is or was somebody using the mini edition somewhere. The real question is who, are they still, and is this a sufficient base to continue. It may very well be that this edition could simply be the last mini edition. It'll have three years of support anyway.
Rubén has stated that he does plan to discontinue a bunch of offshoots that he has been maintaining. I'm not sure if this has happened or what the story is. I keep missing the IRC meetings. I need to add a script to our server that sends me at regular intervals reminder emails of the upcoming meetings.
Well I for one use Trisquel Mini on my cheap underpowered netbook :) !
But I use the main edition on my workstation.
Maybe we could keep two editions, the difference being 3D graphics
support or not. Trisquel Mini would be the light, 2D edition, for
machines which lack either power or 3D acceleration, and the main
edition would be targeted towards users who purchased the right
freedom-friendly hardware so that all the good glitzy 3D-candy stuff is
activated by default.
Le 2013-03-14 09:38, name at domain a écrit :
> If I remember I might. I'll probably talk to Rubén at LibrePlanet
> next week. I believe he is going to that event again. Not sure who
> is
> paying although I think it is being covered by someone. If not there
> are the Trisquel funds.
>
> Its not my place to be directing the project although I don't mind
> giving input. I'm sure Rubén's going to have a pretty good reason
> for
> continuing this offshoot if I mention this. I think there is or was
> somebody using the mini edition somewhere. The real question is who,
> are they still, and is this a sufficient base to continue. It may
> very well be that this edition could simply be the last mini
> edition.
> It'll have three years of support anyway.
Mini is a nice distro. I tried it a few months ago and I found it better than the current gnome-panel. However, there are some major things missing, especially decent offline documentation (GNOME has Yelp). Xfce is in the same position.[1]
It would be nice if Mini could continue being maintained, but if that leads to less time being spent on mainline Trisquel then that's not good.
http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2011-December/029447.html
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