How do you computer experts think about computer education in high school?
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I was talking about computer with a Serbian English teacher. btw she is blonde and not good-looking nor bad-looking, very young.
I asked her if she had had experience in using Linux. She said me that she learned how to use Ubuntu when she was a high school student in IT class or something for one year.
She showed me obvious intense aversion to the experience. She said that was not my field or something like that thing. I said yes just installing is very difficult. Did you install Ubuntu on your PC? She said no, there were installed computers in the class. So didn’t you install Ubuntu on the PC? Yes, it was already installed.
I asked what did you learn? She kept that refusing feeling on her face and said programming, but it was difficult, I couldn’t understand at all.
Then I quit talking about the topic.
The teacher must not have taught them installing that OS but the teacher taught them programming.
I thought it might be similar to the English education in Japanese school. Fortunately, I could meet a good English teacher. But from the beginning, from the English textbooks are used in school, I cannot tell if they really want to teach English or they don’t want. Sometimes I cannot think of anything but they don’t want to teach. Maybe it comes from their thoughts which wanting keep the perquisite (people can speak English are rare in Japan unlike other countries such as Sweden) and our common habit that telling, lies. I usually check the English teachers’s sincerity by some easy questions when I take a new teacher’s lesson.
If they don’t answer sincerely, it is just waste of time for me. There is no reason that they have to teach me wrong things or evade my questions. Perfectly inefficient no matter what even if they have any reasons. It just makes me confused then it is just time loss for me.
Her teacher might have had such kind of nature. Anyway she doesn’t like the word Linux.
I guess students who found computer interesting in the class were few. Most had the same feeling with her. What do you think of that?
Yes, it was already installed. > No, it was already installed. It is opposite :P in Japanese language.
Sure enough, when we refer to the operating system, we can't say "Linux", we must call it "GNU/Linux". With only Linux (the kernel), you can't possibly do anything.
The nature of education is to make the students no longer dependent on anything. Teaching non-free software is to plant such dependencies, and is therefore anti-educating. See Richard Stallman's article "Overcoming social inertia".
I already said what I think about education here:
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/selling-installation-free-software-those-request-it
> With only Linux (the kernel), you can't possibly do anything.
Yes, I thought even if I said GNU/Linux, there must have been no change but I just thought she might not be able to understand what the GNU/Linux is. And I’m somewhat embarrassed because it’s like pretending an expert to say GNU/Linux :)
After all, what his purpose is is always one of the main issues.
From the link, what I felt first was that what the concrete benefits of computer freedom on my laptop are. This is what I have felt many times. Maybe so-called average users woundn’t understand, too.
About the benefits of security, I can understand it quite well. But I am not still sure what the merits of freeing my laptop. I even feel open source software might be more insecure than proprietary software. Because it is opened. Even if they violate GPL licenses, I don’t know if it is legally binding.
> To build our community's strength to resist, we need to talk about free software and freedom—not merely about the practical benefits that open source supporters cite.
His words, though. If I can resist, what the benefits are? While I don’t understand the concrete benefits, I think I couldn’t resist enough the inconvenience. There is no person who works while the one doesn’t know if the one can earn money. I might ask him directly. If I won’t be able to understand. I am not sure if I have to guess it correctly by myself. But anyway it would bother my English teacher too.
It past more than one year from when I got to know the being of libreboot, I still don’t have it yet. And it seems the computers which have that vulnerability, meltdown and spectre, are not free because the users are not controlling their computers fully. Are there still merits or benefits to have those free computers? I have stated maybe twice but my purpose and the purpose of this world were seen to had the same direction.
> I already said what I think about education here:
Yes I think I understand it now clearly what you guys were talking about, perhaps.
The enemies of the free software movement are obvious. Then they are already lame ducks, should I say it seems. I don’t know if there is necessity for the people to argue within the community of the movement, disccusion aside. Things such as Libreboot are defense rather than offense. Why don’t we take this advantage fully? I might be misunderstanding, though. I don’t understand. Is there something inconvenience truth? or traitors within the wall?? Like Mr. Snowden? Almost already monologue, never mind. These questions are occurring itself is the evidence that somethings are not opened. The odds are 88 to 1, almost.
Even when I talk to computer security people in America, many of them say "I just use Apple, GNU/Linux is so hard. I just need my computer and my programs to work, I don't want to understand how it all works or how to hack on it". Which is probably why we have so many computer security problems. I wonder if this is the same in Europe?
I wonder if they even realize that their Apple computer is running on a variant of FreeBSD, and their phone is either running a variant of GNU/Linux or FreeBSD.
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>How do you computer experts think about computer education in high school?
I think it iz wrong, verrry wrong. We should teach them flowers instead! Only flowers!!
Here in Belgium, most of the schools are running Windows as their default OS, at HighSchool or University, most students prefer Apple, because it is "cool" to have one, only the ones who actually are interested in searching information on products they use, will use a Free OS and (as free as possible) Hardware.
Windows/Mac is just working out-of-the-box and the design is also attractive and all the applications also work like that and have nearly all games working on it...
So they are making them dependent on those systems...
Even most of the people using GNU/Linux doesn't know the difference between OpenSource and FreeSoftware and they don't know that it's GNU/Linux, but use only Linux. And also thinks that GPL is OpenSource License.
- When I tell that I don't use Windows because it's not free: yes, it's is free, it is shipped free with the laptop you buy. So I need to explain free(dom) and that you also pay for the Windows OEM License when you buy it.
When I tell that I refuse to use WhatsApp because it's not free: yes, it's free, I don't pay to use it. Then I need to explain about free(dom) vs free(gratis), and the business model it uses.
For myself, Windows is also the first OS I've learned, then I got a cheap computer(running MandrakeLinux) from my uncle, so I got in touch with GNU/Linux, but I didn't know the GNU part at that moment, 10 years ago I was aware of other distros, and Ubuntu was the easiest one, so it was still Linux for me, 5 years ago, I start searching more and more information so I know about Open/Free GNU/Linux,... that Windows or Apple isn't the only ones, about the FSF, Coreboot/Libreboot, About Torvalds or RMS, Trisquel/Parabola, Replicant/AOSP/Lineage and why all of this does matter...
Yes cool or attractive is absolutely necessary to attract people as the entrance. I don't think Windows cool but Apple products are cool. Good sense. iPhone 3Gs was my first smart phone then I was really addicted to tap the screen.
That was one of the best amusing things in my life. It still might be so. I love Apple products. I know of a little bit of its problems, though. Only good philosophy is weak. It is a fatal matter to attract people, at least I think so so.
And yes, when I search something FOSS like apps (?) in the web, I encounter the problem of the word "free".
Anyway, most Japanese are really proud of our team that they had the close game with Belgium, by the way, by the way.
When Lukaku scored the third goal, then after the game, I felt deep shock which was far beyond my expectations.
It might be a bit off topic, though. You trolled me.
Yes, they have a great marketing team. And they have a great catchphrase in my opinion "it just works", (even if it doesn't, they have implanted this inside the minds of many).
Opensource is getting beter at this too, great opensource projects have convinced many big companies to invest in them. But Free software stays mostly the same in terms of marketing.
Indeed, it was a great game to watch, and Japan played very good. But, I'm not really fan of Lukaku, it was also a suprise for me, he mostly waits the ball to fall in front of him :p
No, marketing is a poor method. Guessing the needs of people by thinking through until the end. And more beyond importantly, Apple products is made by almost Mr. Jobs's playful imagination. He does not need marketing almost at all. Just imagining something attracts people, more importantly, attracts himself makes a good product must have been his belief. Then letting his staff realize it. More light, more thin, more fast. He just orders it. He seems terrible character. He is an artist rather than a business person. Then he died in solitude. Like Citizen Kane. Marketing is a foolish, out of fashion method. That's for lazy businessmen who cannot imagine people's hearts. btw I think often the American are geniuses for playing. and Please don't leave it, Lukaku. If i say it in Japanese, Please through it, Lukaku. Indeed he seems... not much clever, though... unlike Eden Hazard... yeah... anyway he would score much.
> He does not need marketing almost at all. Just imagining something attracts people, more importantly, attracts himself makes a good product must have been his belief. Then letting his staff realize it. More light, more thin, more fast.
Lots of advertising has gone into fetishizing "more light, more thin, more fast." Apple has poured money into manufacturing desire for their "design" and "look and feel." The narrative that Steve Jobs was a genius was also part of Apple's marketing. He's been dead for years, and Apple is just as good at training their fans to buy the next shiny new status symbol.
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