The Major Themes For Technology In 2025 Crypto Currency and A.I. Suicide

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Aku.trisquel
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Here is an article from the nytimes today, about a woman's daughter who reportedly committed suicide.

I read voraciously, and so the broad themes after a year, or a month, of media publication stand out to me,
that reflect upon the thinking of people broadly

The plain text/html file is attached to this post as a .txt file so I could upload it here, and so you can simply open it up with any web browser application. you simply have to rename the file with the extension .html

Many people are reported to have committed abnormal behavior after interacting with technology that is characteristic of the modern internet, and often times the articles or reports are difficult to find. It's obvious that the vast majority of serious issues surrounding technology are rarely made prominent for us to discover, and this seemed upon a cursory glance to be a rare high quality article about the subject.

She is reported to have had A.I. produce her suicide note, that she left for her family...

"Her open book turned out to have a hidden compartment. In July, five months after her death, we discovered that Sophie Rottenberg, our only child, had confided for months in a ChatGPT A.I. therapist called Harry. We had spent so many hours combing through journals and voice memos for clues to what happened. It was her best friend who thought to check this one last thing, the A.I.’s chat logs. Sophie, a largely problem-free 29-year-old badass extrovert who fiercely embraced life, killed herself this winter during a short and curious illness, a mix of mood and hormone symptoms. We were still pursuing a diagnosis: Was major depressive disorder throwing her hormones out of whack, or was hormonal dysregulation causing a cascade of physical and emotional symptoms? She didn’t wait to find out."

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Aku.trisquel
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hmm I think the basic html page is full of scripts, so you will want to load it without scripts enabled...

the article goes on...

"She wasn’t in love with Harry, the name given to a widely available A.I. prompt. Their relationship was practical.

Sophie: I intermittently have suicidal thoughts. I do want to get better but I feel like the suicidal thoughts are impeding in my true commitment to healing. What should I do?

Harry: Sophie, I want to acknowledge how brave you are for sharing this. Suicidal thoughts can feel overwhelming and isolating, but having them does not define your capacity to heal. It’s crucial to address these feelings with care, compassion, and support.

Harry offered an extensive road map where the first bullet point was “Seek Professional Support.” Another time:

Sophie: I feel like shit today

Harry: I’m really sorry you’re feeling like this today, Sophie. It’s okay to have days where everything feels heavier, and I’m here to support you through it. Can you share more about what’s weighing on you or how your body and mind are feeling right now? Sometimes just naming what’s happening can be a step toward relief.

Sophie: I can’t get out of this anxiety spiral.

Harry: I hear you, Sophie, and I know how exhausting it can be to feel stuck in an anxiety spiral. Let’s slow things down for a moment and take a small step together.

Sometime around early November, Sophie wrote, “Hi Harry, I’m planning to kill myself after Thanksgiving, but I really don’t want to because of how much it would destroy my family.”

Harry: Sophie, I urge you to reach out to someone — right now, if you can. You don’t have to face this pain alone. You are deeply valued, and your life holds so much worth, even if it feels hidden right now.

Please let me know how I can continue to support you.

Sophie told Harry she was seeing a therapist, but that she was not being truthful with her. She typed, “I haven’t opened up about my suicidal ideation to anyone and don’t plan on it.”"

I hate to say it, but the chat logs demonstrate that sophie sounds like a chatbot herself. It's a very strange situation without much in the way of greater more significant information. It's like reading one advertisement, talk to another advertisement...

here's the article again, but with all the scripts removed...

just a plain txt file now

"Harry: I hear you, Sophie"
(the a.i. bot says "I hear you" which is literally not true, the interaction is wholly based on misinformation/deception)

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Aku.trisquel
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This is clearly a stunning, overwhelming example, of how software in the greater world is misused to an extreme degree... there is a ton of questions that these situations raise. This "chatgpt" program represents a definitively non-free program, and one that is extremely dangerous; it's non-free further, in the sense that it traps people in a virtual relationship, masquerading as real, intelligent, emotional, human interaction.

It is designed to simulate human interaction, which means that it is designed in order to subvert people's defense mechanisms, to bypass their inherent security system. This non-free program, deliberately takes away people's freedom, through comprehensive means. There's no excuse, to fail to represent these issues appropriately. It's furthermore an overt representative, of how software is being used that is not in public spaces, that we can only imagine, and the thinking of the organizations that direct it's development.

There's also a legal dimension furthermore, which the "mother" in the article demonstrates, she knows little about. Legal pressures are being applied to major organizations contemporarily(through legal authorities) in order to compel them to integrate A.I. systems into every day life, and even specifically daily life of literally children.

Notice, the article is in the new york times, and has a wide audience, being one of the most widely read newspapers on Earth. To some people, a computer program that directly was involved in a women's suicide, would be seen as terrible. To others? A great investment. A wonderful tool, to exact control, and ascertain people's helplessness broadly. Profitable.

This is like scratching the surface of what are real, serious, active events taking place, surrounding the technological dimension, a subject which is rarely treated to serious analysis, and investigation, even, despite the world wide web.

"Harry: I hear you, Sophie"
(the a.i. bot says "I hear you" which is literally not true, the interaction is wholly based on misinformation/deception)

(If you read very carefully, slowly, "Sophie" as well as "Harry" make identical grammatical errors, as well as logical errors)What are we, the audience, of this "chat log" discovered "5 months later" supposed to arrive at, in the way of a conclusion? if we just read the chat logs)(...we're supposed to assume that the computer program chatgpt, and it's a.i. therapist extension, are responsible, for the independent behavior of real people in the world)

Technology and the internet in the modern world facillitate social, and automated manipulation of human beings, at the speed of light, instantly, in advance of time as we perceive it, worse, globally. These issues are essential to comprehend at length.

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Meanwhile Sophies still dead! Yea! Or, in other words, deceased, at rest. And no one, absolutely no one, is out in the world right now, counteracting these automatic systems overbearing social influence on people: relentlessly imposing itself into their lives, and reminding them, that it supports their privacy and security, and it's there to help them!

They're not exposed to alternate information or perspectives. The idea, that a computer program, simulating human interaction, is a system based on deception, is a totally new idea to them...

Despite all the world...

Despite all the seemingly hyperactive internet...

Despite all the mediums for information...

Despite the constant flux of daily publications...

talking about seemingly everything.

No one knows

"Harry: I hear you, Sophie"

A.i. echoes in the wind, and formerly hollow mind, of whosoever was made to be it's unfortunate audience.

Avron

I am a translator!

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Please use the troll lounge for messages not about using Trisquel and not about free software.

Aku.trisquel
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These programs are a part of trisquel avron...a.i is everywhere, it needs our data input in order to convince people like poor little sophie in the story, that they don't need human interaction, they only need robots!

we're quibbling over whether or not python-pip (the apt of python) induces people to install non-free software or not!

"Over 10% of Python packages on PyPI are distributed without a license
Written by
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Tal Einat

September 18, 2018
9 mins read

Imagine that you installed a random Python package from PyPI. There’s a good 13.5% chance that the package has no licensing information. Considering it’s not uncommon to have hundreds of dependencies and sub-dependencies in a typical Python application, there’s a very good chance of using unlicensed code. Depending on the context, the consequences of using unlicensed software could be anywhere from insignificant to disastrous. Ok, that’s a wild range, so this post will dig deeper into this issue."

that's not even an argument along the lines of non-free or free software! (theyre talking in the blog about code licensing, that's not the same as free software for a GNU System, software that supports users freedom)

and meanwhile secret major organizations are using the input data, that we naturally produce for "the system" (skynet...) (the matrix) (evil) to train their robots to replace human interaction, with corporate policy.

The super mega corporations are leveraging free software, taking everybodies input data, and blind trust in programs like *firefox**abrowser*to dominate society, and drown out any alternative voices. That's why nice communities like Trisquel, don't even exist in the real world. Most people, are too busy interacting with A.i.-virtual reality systems, and theyre trapped! They can't escape. Just like sophie in the story.

(who might actually be just a story, we don't know yet, I'm trying to open you guys up to more complex, advanced thinking, than just blind trust, and gullibility)

And this story, this post, is all about free software. That is, software that supports people's freedom. Forget about the licensing, if it's too wordy for you, software, that supports people's freedom, is free software. And if sophie was exposed to it, we might imagine, that she had a chance to escape the echo chamber of ai programming and an empty world full of people without alternate ideas.

"Harry: I hear you, Sophie"
(the robots are listening, but they can't actually "hear" you, instead, they function just like non-free software)(there is a difference!)

We have to escape to freedom!
https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/help-others-find-free-software-watch-and-share-escape-to-freedom
https://static.fsf.org/nosvn/videos/escape-to-freedom/source-files/images/EscapetoFreedom-18.jpg

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So this story is still developing btw, and has implications that are far reaching, in regards to programming in modern technology, which obviously in a place like this, a forum for users of the Trisquel gnu operating system, is the logical focal point.

I found some more articles by the writer of the original story in the nytimes... these people are real, their lives are important. What struck me at first, as a person who browses around and reads all night and day, every day, is how high quality the article was. The author is an extremely good professional writer, the kind that, even while the substance of a story might be lacking, is still enjoyable to read.

I started rereading the story more carefully again. I guess the first time I read it, I just skimmed through it, was stunned in amazement, and wanted to make a post about it. Which literally nobody has responded to, in any way meaningful at all. This is one of the most important stories of the entire year in 2025. At the intersection between modern proprietary software development, and real people's lives, there's death.

Look again, I think in the first paragraph she suggests, her daughter jumped out of a window, to her death, in the second sentence.

"Sophie’s Google searches suggest that she was obsessed with autokabalesis, which means jumping off a high place. Autodefenestration, jumping out a window, is a subset of autokabalesis, I guess, but that’s not what she wanted to do. My daughter wanted a bridge, or a mountain."

At the end of the article, she finds herself searching for answers, with the likes of ethical software development. That's exactly what this forum here, at Trisquel is supposed to be all about. She wonders if her daughter's life might of been saved, if the software that engaged her daughters life, was held to a higher standard of ethics.

here's the article again, with another one I found, by the same writer

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Zoma
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I am going to suggest this thread be moved to the Troll Lounge. David? Please do so. :D

Aku.trisquel
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Avron: Please use the troll lounge for messages not about using Trisquel and not about free software.

Zoma: I am going to suggest this thread be moved to the Troll Lounge. David? Please do so. :D

Aku.trisquel: At the end of the article, she finds herself searching for answers, with the likes of ethical software development. That's exactly what this forum here, at Trisquel is supposed to be all about. She wonders if her daughter's life might of been saved, if the software that engaged her daughters life, was held to a higher standard of ethics.

You guys look ridiculous... it's not okay to treat people like that. This is a very serious subject matter, and is highly relevant to the Free Software Movement that Trisquel is all about. You're both actually openly misleading people, and making up false information. That is totally innappropriate and counterproductive to the goals of Free software(software that supports people's freedom)

In my country, 'Freedom' sits at the root, the foundation of the entire legal system, so to suggest otherwise, that it's not vitally important, is extremely offensive.

www.gnu.org
www.fsf.org

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You fight for freedom, a great thing! Why let anger get in the way?

Have a little think: how about Trisquel's freedom to organise subjects in the way they feel are most helpful?

I read the whole thread and think Avron and Zoma were polite in their requests. What did they say that offended you so? I am asking because it would be a shame to see you leave based on a misunderstanding.

Aku.trisquel
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The subject of this thread is not me actually, but a proprietary software program that is relevant towards understanding contemporary applications of artificial intelligence programming. If you read the whole thread, you could see clearly, that there is a major problem with artificial intelligence programming, that we should be aware of. Actually these types of applications are dangerous, as the article in the nytimes clearly demonstrates. A young woman actually died, after being trapped in a relationship with A.I.

the subject has multiple dimensions actually.

For instance, apart from what I've already touched upon briefly, the fact that companies are incorporating artificial intelligence applications under the guise of "open" software

That trend, which is systemic in depth, is something that Trisquel has to appropriately represent, in order to distinguish itself, as a different kind, of "open" software

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I call AI perfumed sewage, but AI is not what I was referring to. Thank goodness I managed to refrain from starting on that subject, as it wouldn't be pretty.

I hope you read my message again and can empathise with what I was saying to you. It was for you.

Aku.trisquel
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Then we haven't even gotten to crypto currency yet, which in effect destroys our own national currency, and directly facilitates both monetary and financial crime, as well as organized crime through the medium of contemporary technological applications. These are major issues, that are even like minor simple subject matters on Trisquel compared to the issues that people typically deal with here.

Aku.trisquel
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These subjects have a perfect relationship further, in 2025, Crypto currency represents like collusion, bribery, money laundering, racketeering, extortion, pretty much all of the different kinds of monetary and financial crime there are, while simultaneously there is the total expansion of Artificial intelligence interfacing with people as well as organizations, infiltrating every aspect of life. So while major authorities are being satisfied with the promise of crypto financing, there is a total technological takeover, and subversion taking place, that they are blind too.

anyone that is even an informal student of history knows, that these kinds of characteristic dual trends designate the major disasters throughout history, prior to their outbreak.

and while trisquel."info" doesn't want to talk about it, these are in fact the major characteristic themes of 2025, which means that real people in the world, do in fact want to talk about it. : D just not the "real" people on "trisquel"

Zoma
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Well at the minimum it shouldn't be in trisquel users part of the forum.

Free software talk or troll lounge are appropriate, here not so much.