Mate Desktop Enviroment and Trisquel 5.5
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Ubuntu 11.10 has been released so the focus is now on Trisquel to make some big decisions about 5.5. As of right now, Trisquel's Gnome 2 based interface is one of the better looking out there but the codebase for 11.10 has moved to Gnome 3.
Looking at other teams, Mint is considering releasing two versions: one with full Gnome 3 and the other with backported Gnome 2 or adopting the Mate desktop environment. Trisquel users are like Mint users in many ways where they are somewhat set in what they want from their desktop and dislike a lot of what Gnome Shell and Unity have to offer.
With that in mind, has the Trisquel team thought about adopting Mate from https://github.com/Perberos/Mate-Desktop-Environment
I know right now it is a fork of Gnome 2 and still early, but with Trisquel 5.5 and later, it would be nice to have a "classic" desktop with either backported Gnome 2, Mate, or XFCE in addition to the default with Gnome Shell or Unity.
"Trisquel users are like Mint users in many ways where they are somewhat set in what they want from their desktop and dislike a lot of what Gnome Shell and Unity have to offer" -> what supports this assertion?
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Although I'm the sort of person who "dislikes a lot of what gnome-shell and Unity have to offer," IIRC the stated reason Trisquel won't adopt them is because they require hardware acceleration and/or 3D support not yet possible with free graphics drivers.
What about Unity 2D? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity2D
"Unity 2D's goal is to provide the Unity desktop shell on hardware platforms that cannot currently support Unity's OpenGL requirements"
What about Unity 2D? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity2D
"Unity 2D's goal is to provide the Unity desktop shell on hardware platforms
that cannot currently support Unity's OpenGL requirements"
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I thought it would be possible to have Gnome 3 with a "legacy" Desktop.
It is. And I believe it would be a better utilization of resources to focus on the Gnome3 "fallback" mode and make it into a first-class citizen than waste time on pointless forks like Mate.
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Personally I'm kind of sick of all the bloating gnome and KDE have been going through lately. I would like to have a -box based distro. Something like Debian with just xdm and fluxbox and software from both KDE and gnome on top. I tried it out for some time, it looked like garbage, but booted faster than a fresh driver-less install of Win XP and in terms of performance it ran circles around any other distro I tried. I'm sure a very reasonable distribution can be made out of that basic idea, having no heavy-weight window managers, just fluxbox and take all the important software from the big DEs with some customized theme so all looks more or less consistent.
By including applications from different DEs, you need to have their numerous dependencies (libraries) as well. In the end, the distro does not fit on a CD and, when running applications from different DEs, you need to load all these libraries into central memory. The latter point means that, globally you wait more for the applications to be launched and, obviously, you need more RAM (although today, it becomes hard to find a computer with less than 2 GB of RAM, the older computers should not be forgotten).
You can, just use Trisquel Mini Edition but load into a pure Openbox session, then just use PCManFM for file browsing, tint2 for system tray and running applications and LXAppearance for the gtk theme. No need to use GNOME or KDE applications, I guarantee there is a much light solution to what you normally use.
I personally think that LXDE is better looking than XFCE, but in comparing Trisquel's default look for Mini, it looks ok. The Linux Mint team really stepped up their game with their LXDE version looks wise with 10 and 11 and the Trisquel team should look at that for reference. I've tried other LXDE based distros and it seems to be the best looking out of the box.
Speaking of Linux Mint, I heard that 12 (based off of 11.10) will come out in two versions: full Gnome Shell desktop and a backported Gnome 2.32 into the Ubuntu 11.10 codebase coexisting with Gnome 3 libraries. The second option seems to be a lot of work, but their team is pretty solid for stable releases.
If Linux Mint is able to have Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 libraries co exist, would the Trisquel team be interested in taking their code and migrating it into Trisquel 5.5 ?
I personally think that LXDE is better looking than XFCE, but in comparing
Trisquel's default look for Mini, it looks ok. The Linux Mint team really
stepped up their game with their LXDE version looks wise with 10 and 11 and
the Trisquel team should look at that for reference. I've tried other LXDE
based distros and it seems to be the best looking out of the box.
Speaking of Linux Mint, I heard that 12 (based off of 11.10) will come out in
two versions: full Gnome Shell desktop and a backported Gnome 2.32 into the
Ubuntu 11.10 codebase coexisting with Gnome 3 libraries. The second option
seems to be a lot of work, but their team is pretty solid for stable
releases.
If Linux Mint is able to have Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 libraries co exist, would
the Trisquel team be interested in taking their code and migrating it into
Trisquel 5.5 ?
By including applications from different DEs, you need to have their numerous
dependencies (libraries) as well. In the end, the distro does not fit on a CD
and, when running applications from different DEs, you need to load all these
libraries into central memory. The latter point means that, globally you wait
more for the applications to be launched and, obviously, you need more RAM
(although today, it becomes hard to find a computer with less than 2 GB of
RAM, the older computers should not be forgotten).
You can, just use Trisquel Mini Edition but load into a pure Openbox session,
then just use PCManFM for file browsing, tint2 for system tray and running
applications and LXAppearance for the gtk theme. No need to use GNOME or KDE
applications, I guarantee there is a much light solution to what you normally
use.
I am a translator!
Personally I'm kind of sick of all the bloating gnome and KDE have been going
through lately. I would like to have a -box based distro. Something like
Debian with just xdm and fluxbox and software from both KDE and gnome on top.
I tried it out for some time, it looked like garbage, but booted faster than
a fresh driver-less install of Win XP and in terms of performance it ran
circles around any other distro I tried. I'm sure a very reasonable
distribution can be made out of that basic idea, having no heavy-weight
window managers, just fluxbox and take all the important software from the
big DEs with some customized theme so all looks more or less consistent.
It is. And I believe it would be a better utilization of resources to focus
on the Gnome3 "fallback" mode and make it into a first-class citizen than
waste time on pointless forks like mate.
I thought the plan was to move to Gnome 3, but without Gnome Shell.
Ubuntu 11.10 has been released so the focus is now on Trisquel to make some
big decisions about 5.5. As of right now, Trisquel's Gnome 2 based interface
is one of the better looking out there but the codebase for 11.10 has moved
to Gnome 3.
Looking at other teams, Mint is considering releasing two versions: one with
full Gnome 3 and the other with backported Gnome 2 or adopting the Mate
desktop environment. Trisquel users are like Mint users in many ways where
they are somewhat set in what they want from their desktop and dislike a lot
of what Gnome Shell and Unity have to offer.
With that in mind, has the Trisquel team thought about adopting Mate from
https://github.com/Perberos/Mate-Desktop-Environment
I know right now it is a fork of Gnome 2 and still early, but with Trisquel
5.5 and later, it would be nice to have a "classic" desktop with either
backported Gnome 2, Mate, or XFCE in addition to the default with Gnome Shell
or Unity.
"Trisquel users are like Mint users in many ways where they are somewhat set
in what they want from their desktop and dislike a lot of what Gnome Shell
and Unity have to offer" -> what supports this assertion?
I thought the plan was to move to Gnome 3, but without Gnome Shell.
I am a translator!
I thought it would be possible to have Gnome 3 with a "legacy" Desktop.
I am a member!
Although I'm the sort of person who "dislikes a lot of what gnome-shell and
Unity have to offer," IIRC the stated reason Trisquel won't adopt them is
because they require hardware acceleration and/or 3D support not yet possible
with free graphics drivers.
I'll prefer something lighter like XFCE (is the nearest to "old" gnome 2) or the fast LXDE. XFCE became a little fat, but has a lot of interesting features (and a bunch of customization tools) and has the look and feel of Gnome. LXDE is very fast and light and is more luser-friendly than others WM like IceWM, Fluxbox, etc.
Lol is a simply mistake of typing!!! ;-)
I want use openbox but is more difficult. I try to run it but don' know how
to configure the wifi network. My wifi work with gnome but not with
openbox... Who can help me???
Il giorno 02/feb/2012 19:06, <name at domain> ha scritto:
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> Luser-friendly?
@claudio Try to run a launcher like gmrun or similar (alt+F2) and type "nm-applet". This will run the network-manager applet and you'll turn on the wifi (or lan).
Sorry, it's a spanish joke made of loser and user.
Mate was having some stability issues and bugs last I read, but I don't know if they've fixed all that by now. I think GNOME-2 definitely had its issues and limitations which is why they decided to rewrite a whole lot, so I don't know about maintaining a MATE version, we can certainly keep Mate in the repositories assuming it's all free software.
They have Ubuntu repositories at http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download if you are curious. I believe they are trying to keep MATE up to date and fixes issues as they arise so maybe it shouldn't be in the Trisquel repos yet.
If Ruben can get Trisquel 5.5 with fallback to look as close to the Gnome 2 version, then I will be happy and be not so gung ho about MATE.
This is what my desktop with gnome-fallback looks like.
That looks perfectly fine to me.
Awesome! Ruben is lucky to have you on the team as your themes are about as polished as it gets.
Thank you :D.
Well I'm not officially 'on the team', just helping out :) Helps increase my "feelgood factor" :D
I am a member!
I have the Trisquel 5.5 Beta on a flash drive. On first glance, it
already looks very much like Gnome 2, to a user of orca, at least. More
detailed account of my exploration in another message thread.
Cheers,
Dave
On 03/07/2012 12:57 AM, name at domain wrote:
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> If Ruben can get Trisquel 5.5 with fallback to look as close to the
> Gnome 2 version, then I will be happy and be not so gung ho about MATE.
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