No wifi, can't remove Mini 7

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gnuby
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So, this is my third attempt installing Trisquel Mini 7 on a computer. The first one was an older laptop where the GUI wouldn't install, except by entering sudo service lxdm start in the terminal...I gave up on that project. The second one was on a newer Toshiba, similar issue. Now I installed Mini 7 on an HP Mini 1000. It kinda works. Two issues:

1.) No wifi. I've read some previous posts on here and understand achieving wireless connectivity is the holy grail of Trisquel users. Does anyone know of any network drivers or USB wifi cards that will help me? I followed this Ubuntu (I know, not Trisquel) forum posting http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/237028-50-ubuntu-mini-1000-wireless to this network driver, but I'm not sure if it'll work http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php I have no idea what I'm doing anymore. All hope seems lost, and I don't want to spend more than $20 on a USB wifi card.

2.) I made a bootable USB stick of Lubuntu. I tried to install it and erase Mini 7, but as soon as I clicked the "install Lubuntu" option, the screen goes black. The netbook still runs, but it sits there for over 10 minutes. Am I stuck using Mini 7 now? It's never done this before. :(

All of my attempts to use Trisquel have been frustrating and unrewarding. I think it's a great idea, and I'd love to install it on my computers, but, I haven't been able to have success with it on two laptops, one netbook, and I don't trust putting it on my desktop (which has to be my reliable work computer, which runs Ubuntu 12.04 where I've removed Unity and spyware...).

gnuby
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Iscritto: 10/10/2014

Additionally, I plugged an ethernet cable into the HP Mini 1000, and still it did not recognize a network connection.

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You can acquire this adapter: http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?categoryid=243&model=TL-WN722N

It is pretty easy to find (this year, I bought one in the USA and then several in Brazil), uses the AR9271 802.11n chipset, supported by Linux-libre (hence Trisquel) out of the box, and costs less than US$ 20. An even cheaper solution would be to buy a second-hand adapter. Vendors sometimes indicate the chipset, what matters for Linux-libre's support.

lembas
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Iscritto: 05/13/2010

Your issue #2 has nothing to do with Trisquel.

Chris

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* I'm not 100% sure this assessment is correct. While you might be right I know there are some gigabit ethernet chipsets that are dependent on non-free firmware. In theory it could be related to Trisquel, or sort-of. That is it doesn't have the non-free firmware needed which is why it isn't working.

lembas
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Iscritto: 05/13/2010

I was trying to refer to the fact he's got trouble installing Lubuntu.

Sorry for being vague.

gnuby
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Iscritto: 10/10/2014

It does a little bit. I didn't have issues trying new OS's on it before Mini 7 was installed. Maybe it's not related; maybe it's coincidental.

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Iscritto: 04/23/2011

The best thing you can do is avoid bad hardware from the start and then you won't run into these types of problems when you want to switch- or upgrade to a more recent version of your favorite distribution. No matter what distribution your using your prone to run into problems with this type of poorly supported hardware. It's dependent on code the community can't properly support as the sources aren't available.

HP and Toshibia are horrible choices imho. They both do things that hinder users adoption of free software and then some. They're using digital restrictions on the wifi slot for example. That means you can't even replace it with something that is free software friendly should it not work and a significant percentage of the time systems don't ship with cards that will work with 100% free software. Other bad choices include: Dell, Sony, Apple, Acer, Lenovo, and IBM. These companies do the same.

* I get that you can't go back and undo these choices and you may not have known about these types of problems prior. Don't take it as criticism, but rather advice for the future, to make your life easier. And this doesn't mean all other hardware is golden. It's not. The companies above are merely worse than others.

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Iscritto: 10/10/2014

The companies you listed must make 95% of personal computers on the market.

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Notice that he didn't list Asus, though.

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Iscritto: 04/23/2011

Are you suggesting Asus is using digital restriction on the wifi card slot? If so I'd like to know. I haven't heard of them using digital restrictions before that I can recall, but that doesn't mean they don't. I was not aware that Acer has been using digital restrictions as of late as well.

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Iscritto: 04/23/2011

Yea- pretty much. There aren't that many these days. There was a lot of consolidation in the late 1990s (?). HP and Dell pretty much have been back in forth in the #1 spot in terms of market share for years. It looks like Lenovo though has taken #1 more recently.

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Iscritto: 09/15/2011

Can I prompt people in the EU who are in this position with any of those manufacturers to write to the European Parliament Representative (MEP/Deputy etc) and complain of tied sale of replacement parts. Tied sales are illegal under EU law. Might work.

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Yea- this is true. Unfortunately from my understanding most are still doing it and it's difficult to get a BIOS without these restrictions if you contact these companies. Despite it being illegal nobody seems to be doing anything about it as almost nobody knows its illegal. Even if you do get somebody on the phone you'll probably get weird looks and they won't understand your problem-or know what to do about it. I might recall somebody succeeding in getting a new BIOS without the restrictions out of some vendor a few years back... but it's probably the exception rather than the rule.

Has anybody here tried replacing a EU bought laptop from any of these companies? Did you attempt to replace the wifi card? What happened?

I should probably also note that not all laptops will necessarily ship with these restrictions on every model even from the vendors above. For example I've heard Dell doesn't have the digital restrictions on the Alienware lineup. Unfortunately that may or may not still be the case- or it might not even have been the case when I heard this. When somebody says such and such doesn't do it- it's usually being said from what that person experienced as opposed to actual knowledge of the whole line-up or even every revision of a particular model.

For example we had number TP-Link routers with the same revision number received directly from TP-Link. A later batch contained the same revision number, but turned out to have a newer firmware version. The newer firmware version had added digital restrictions to prevent the user from flashing third party firmware. People who had stated in the past TP-Link Model XXX Revision 2 works with LibreCMC XYZ were in error. Such information is unreliable because companies make changes and the model and even revision information isn't updated to reflect these changes.

Different companies started implementing these restrictions at different times. IBM was the first from my recollection. HP, Dell, Acer, all seem to have started implementing digital restrictions much later.

I'm not a big fan of hardware compatibility databases. I interned for a company that focused on desktop GNU/Linux in 2005 and got first hand experience with a significant amount of hardware of variety of types. It quickly became apparent to me at that time there was no good solution to the problem other than to setup a division focused on selling hardware within the company that contained hardware that was free software friendly. Anything short of this doesn't work. Obviously they didn't want to do that and as nobody had a few years later, shortly after I had graduated I decided to work on solving this problem.

Such databases can be useful I think to narrow down hardware at some level, but it's best suited for companies/organizations/etc. Companies wanting to manufacture/sell/design/etc. Those who can afford to purchase lots of hardware for testing, development, etc. and then stock up on particular revisions and contract out. It doesn't work at all for the majority individuals. It's just too cumbersome and even among the technical users I see it as hurting progress by diverting resources from efforts to solve hardware-related issues. If your not working on support/driver development/etc its probably hindering proper support (even if the device itself is already supported, as future devices, or new technology won't be, if there is nobody working on it, or pushing for the release of code/spec/etc).

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Iscritto: 10/31/2014

Despite it being illegal nobody seems to be doing anything about it

that's beacuase it is legaly illegal!

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