Please keep Trisquel 5.5 CD-R size
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I know that Ubuntu can't keep their ISOs to under 700 MB for the upcoming release, pretty much wasting an entire 4 GB DVD for data that is barely over the CD size.
I do ask one request with Trisquel 5.5 and above... please try to keep it the size that it can fit on a standard CD.
I second this request. Makes a lot of sense. If people really do need more apps/languages/whatever, they can always be downloaded separately.
Just saw this today that Ubuntu 12.04 will be kept down to ISO size due to
backlash. It does make sense considering the beta ISOs were barely over the
CD size and not like 2-4 GB which would require a DVD. Kudos to Canonical:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/ubuntu-12-04-iso-will-remain-cd-sized/
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I like how the Linux Mint distribution does it (to a degree). They offer two
flavors. The CD version includes just the critical programs and the DVD
version includes everything else.
I actually think sticking to restricting the distribution to the software
which will fit on a CD is a bad idea. With each new version there is less and
less space available for the applications as each application gains new
features/drivers.
We have literally seen seemingly essential applications being stripped from
distributions and replaced by less functional alternatives. How minimalistic
do you want your system? There are some great and efficient programs that
could be included if size was an issue. For instance GIMP, OpenShot, and
Pidgin aren't included in many newer distributions.
What I'd like to see is a minimal version that lacks Firefox, LibreOffice,
video editing software, and similar although still includes the critical
desktop pieces like Gnome along with a list of programs to be installed
during installation although not included in the initial ISO download. Things
like LibreOffice, Gimp, Pidgin, OpenShot, Firefox/Chromium/Konqueror etc.
This would cut download size while letting people install the more featureful
'full version' application one might actually use.
There are a number of applications which seem to be 'token gestures' that are
included just for marketing purposes in many distributions. I'm thinking
video editing software mainly. Although there are others.
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I haven't looked into the space that Math requires once Writer is installed
although I suspect it is inconsequential and you won't actually gain much by
removing. At least that is my experience with a distribution I worked on many
years ago. The two share libraries (as do many other programs). In fact I'd
go so far as to say the best way you could keep the space requirements down
would be to simply include only applications which use the KDE libraries or
only include applications which use the GNOME libraries. The combination of
GNOME and KDE applications is what takes up all the space and actually slows
things down too.
Ubuntu ships two different DEs written in two different toolkits and that's the reason their iso is large. I think we can easily keep it under 700.
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This works well.
The Vinux distro (another Ubuntu derivative) does this and provides Easy
Install scripts for office and multi-media app suites. The scripts are
reached from desktop icons. If we prefer, these kinds of options can be
added to the installer, and made available when a network connection is
detected?
Cheers,
Dave
On 03/08/2012 11:30 AM, name at domain wrote:
> Ubuntu ships two different DEs written in two different toolkits and
> that's the reason their iso is large. I think we can easily keep it
> under 700.
I asked because the current development ISO at http://devel.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/ is 712 MB and doesn't fit on the standard 700 MB CD. I wanted to try it out as a live session and had a CD-RW laying around. I have a USB drive that I could have formatted, but I have backup files on it and would have to copy to my hard drive and back to it when done testing. I usually test in VirtualBox, but even that has limitations and I can't use all of my RAM since it is an emulated OS within an OS.
If there is a space issue with including apps, why not just make them an installer shortcut that pulls it from the internet, installs, and replaces that shortcut with the real one? I think Ubuntu One does this on Ubuntu when it is first clicked in the Unity launcher. I couldn't see this being an issue if the application in question is an internet based one.
Just saw this today that Ubuntu 12.04 will be kept down to ISO size due to backlash. It does make sense considering the beta ISOs were barely over the CD size and not like 2-4 GB which would require a DVD. Kudos to Canonical:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/ubuntu-12-04-iso-will-remain-cd-sized/
It is a known issue that the ISO's are too big. See the development page. It is the first item on there.
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I like how the Linux Mint distribution does it (to a degree). They offer two flavors. The CD version includes just the critical programs and the DVD version includes everything else.
I actually think sticking to restricting the distribution to the software which will fit on a CD is a bad idea. With each new version there is less and less space available for the applications as each application gains new features/drivers.
We have literally seen seemingly essential applications being stripped from distributions and replaced by less functional alternatives. How minimalistic do you want your system? There are some great and efficient programs that could be included if size was an issue. For instance GIMP, OpenShot, and Pidgin aren't included in many newer distributions.
What I'd like to see is a minimal version that lacks Firefox, LibreOffice, video editing software, and similar although still includes the critical desktop pieces like Gnome along with a list of programs to be installed during installation although not included in the initial ISO download. Things like LibreOffice, Gimp, Pidgin, OpenShot, Firefox/Chromium/Konqueror etc. This would cut download size while letting people install the more featureful 'full version' application one might actually use.
There are a number of applications which seem to be 'token gestures' that are included just for marketing purposes in many distributions. I'm thinking video editing software mainly. Although there are others.
I'm in the camp where I think they should not include LibreOffice Draw, Math, and Base since the majority of people will not use them. If I am using a vector based editor, it is either Inkscape or Scribus. If I'm doing database work, it is mainly with MySQL or MongoDB. I'm guessing Base is tailored to people who are used to Microsoft Access, but once again, I have no insight into that world. Realistically, the average user will stick to the word processor and spreadsheet programs and maybe use the presentation one. Everything else is bloat and taking up space on the ISO and can be installed when needed.
I'm in the camp where I think they should not include LibreOffice Draw, Math,
and Base since the majority of people will not use them. If I am using a
vector based editor, it is either Inkscape or Scribus. If I'm doing database
work, it is mainly with MySQL or MongoDB. I'm guessing Base is tailored to
people who are used to Microsoft Access, but once again, I have no insight
into that world. Realistically, the average user will stick to the word
processor and spreadsheet programs and maybe use the presentation one.
Everything else is bloat and taking up space on the ISO and can be installed
when needed.
I am a member!
I haven't looked into the space that Math requires once Writer is installed although I suspect it is inconsequential and you won't actually gain much by removing it. At least that is my experience with a distribution I worked on many years ago. The two share libraries (as do many other programs). In fact I'd go so far as to say the best way you could keep the space requirements down would be to simply include only applications which use the KDE libraries or only include applications which use the GNOME libraries. The combination of GNOME and KDE applications is what takes up all the space and actually slows things down too.
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