You're Invited: GNU 30th anniversary celebration and hackathon

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lembas
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Featuring: Richard Stallman
When: September 27 - 29
Where: MIT, Cambridge, MA

https://www.gnu.org/gnu30/

Chris

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This is definitely something I think would be fun to attend. Unfortunately I've been up to Boston way too many times this year already.

It sort of depends on another person accompanying me at this point. That is looking unlikely.

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Is there a lady in your life?

Chris

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OK-

I changed my mind. I'm going.

I signed up for the Tor themed dinner if anybody else is interested:

Meadhall
American, with Vegetarian options
http://boston.menupages.com/restaurants/meadhall/menu
Address: 4 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142
Phone:(617) 714-4372

http://libreplanet.org/wiki/GNU_30th_Saturday_night_dinners

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I will also be going, see you there :)

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alucardx
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I wish I could go...I'm just a bit too far away.

Chris

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You might want to check out a Satellite Event.

Here are the cities & countries listed:

Buenos Aires, Argentina
Cox's Bazaar, Bangladesh
Natal, Brazil
Salvador, Brazil
São Paulo, Brazil
Kitchener, Canada
Prague, Czech Republic
Paris, France (on September 21st)
Augsburg, Germany
Tokyo, Japan
Romania and Moldova
Ariana, Tunisia

https://www.gnu.org/gnu30/gnu30.html

fbit

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I'm closer to the actual event than to the Satellite event, but still too far :(

Mampir
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I'm also organizing a series of events in Sofia, Bulgaria. I wrote a couple of days ago, asking for them to be added to the list, but they still aren't and I haven't received a reply.

If you're interested and you can read Bulgarian, you should see this page: http://www.libtec.org/bg/2013/gnu30/

muhammed
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I hope to attend the one in Kitchener. Thanks for the info Lembas and Chris.

salparadise
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Nothing in the UK?

I keep noticing that the UK is very poorly represented.

Chris

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Maybe. However the UK is less than 1/3 the size of the US and the US only has one event. Europe has two (Germany and France) although the population is a bit more than twice that of the US too. Overall it seems to me that people in UK shouldn't have too much of a problem getting to one of the events in Europe if they really wanted to. I'm only slightly closer (and nearer to the event overall for the US than most) than someone in London having to travel to Paris. By train it's like 2 hours too. Compare that to what I have to do to get to my destination in Boston (6 hours by bus, 4-5 by bus from NYC + another hour-two because of transfers, or crummy & expensive trains in the US, NYC to Boston by train, can be done in 4-5 hours apparently at ridicules rates).

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"Overall it seems to me that people in UK shouldn't have too much of a problem getting to one of the events in Europe if they really wanted to."

I'm very sceptical about the event in germany. I will be there, but I read somewhere on the internet about the location it takes place and about the people who make the event.
Nothing wrong with them, but I think it's a very tiny group and I expect a very tiny event.
For me, this is no problem, but I doubt that traveling from UK to germany because of this is worth the effort.

Chris

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Yes- maybe. But what about France? I also was trying to compare it to someplace nearby in the US. If you compared it to the west coast you'd be significantly farther away.

Mampir
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"... US only has one event. Europe has two (Germany and France) ..."

Isn't that stereotypical. ;)

There are 5 European countries listed:

  1. Czech Republic
  2. France
  3. Germany
  4. Romania
  5. Moldova

Also, I'm organising in Bulgaria, which is in Europe.

Chris

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Clearly I'm not a native... umm however I did only really quickly skim that list in my defense. Germany and France popped out at me. I am aware of two others on the list (Romania & the Czech Republic). I also know where they are on the map (well, Europe, anyway).

My mind doesn't recall Moldova. Not even 100% sure how to pronounce that. Can't say I've heard about it much (at all?) in the news either. The US doesn't really do a great job in the world geography department and I probably know of more countries than the average American (doesn't really say much though).

The US also hasn't really done foreign languages until really really recently. They only really started implementing the teaching of foreign languages from a young age 15 years ago or so. I just missed the 'foreign language is required' bit beyond a handful of classes between 6th grade (11 year olds) and high school (14-18 year olds).

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Overall it seems to me that people in UK shouldn't have too much of a problem getting to one of the events in Europe if they really wanted to.

The only way I could get to either is if I walked/hitchhiked to the South Coast (from Birmingham), then swam the channel and then walked/hitchhiked to wherever in France/Germany the meeting is. Then reverse it to get home again.

Chris

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What exactly is preventing people from going to these events? It doesn't appear to be distance or cost. Is there some huge financial barrier I'm missing or visa requirements (last I checked that wasn't an issue any more, I thought)?

I understand if it's too expensive in general vs the benefits of going. I get that. I'm figuring on spending about $100 USD for 4 days to get from where I am in the US to Boston. I then plan to crash with someone I know. But even if this was on the west coast I'd still probably be looking at maybe $300 USD, or $400 USD if I had to split the cost of a room. That includes a flight + hotel stay.

I also get that some people aren't in a good position, because of school, economic conditions, etc.

I also want to point out the FSF has partial scholarships for applicable parties:

"If you'd like to come but can't afford the trip, we welcome you to apply for a partial travel scholarship" and the event itself is free (although donations are encouraged to help pay for food, etc).

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Unemployment, rise in the cost of living and heavy taxes are now a huge problem in most of Europe... And, they're only getting worse.

From what I know, people in the UK earn even more than in the US... But, as for people who, like me, live in Southern Europe, travelling is not a cheap thing to do. Be it long distances (between different countries) and even short ones, now, because of the spike that has occurred in energy prices.

For you to have an idea: the last time I travelled from Lisbon to Barcelona and back, for example, the total price of the train tickets was about a third of what is presently the minimum wage here, in Portugal. And, this was before energy prices started rising. So, I don't know how expensive it is now.

If you talk about Northern and North-Western Europe, you can put them in the same bag as the US, in terms of the amount of money people earn. But, as for the more southern and eastern countries in Europe, you're talking about a different reality. And, life here is closer to (although not as bad, but getting there, now) what it must be in underdeveloped Latin American countries.

In my country, not talking about the huge amount of people that are now unemployed, the ones that still have their jobs are being hit with a huge amount of taxes, which have very much destroyed their previous quality of life.

Chris

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Aww,

I can definitely see that in terms of our sales data. The north and north western parts of Europe are definitely big markets for us.

I'm aware of the issues in Greece, and to some extent Spain as well as the ex-communist countries economic woes in the East.

I guess I didn't realize it was that bad. Maybe it's equivalent to Detroit or New Orleans in the United States (significant poverty & unemployment with much of the cities simply being abandoned, the local governments collapsed/collapsing/or near collapse, and I'm pretty confident a few cities have actually collapsed). The US doesn't really have much of a support system for those unemployed or living on minimal income. Comparatively it might be worse for those in the US. What exists often disappears after a certain amount of time. They just expect you to 'get a job' despite no jobs being available and when you lose that economic support you disappear from the numbers (as if you have a job now).

Where I am in the US it's been semi-insulated from the economic hardships much of America and Europe face. It's got a fairly well rounded local economy, well educated populace, job opportunities, good public schools, etc. It's one of the top 10 (maybe top 4 depending on when you look) wealthiest parts of the country. This isn't really to say that everybody is rich. The reason it's high in the ranking is down to the area being a purely middle to upper middle class area. It would be very difficult financially to live here without a car, employment, etc. If you are living here already chances are you will be able to find a job, have a good support structure already (non-government, ie married, family, etc, kids, etc), have savings, etc. What happens during the economic slows here is more along the lines of people living a lessened life-style. People don't install new pools, patios, kitchens, spend as much on vacations, etc. Maybe you have to hold off a bit longer to buy that house you want (few years).

I've not been a lavish spender personally although I can certainly see it in the people around me. Most of what I've been spending money on has been property (makes more sense than paying someone else's mortgage) and re-investing in ThinkPenguin (I'm trying to avoid surrendering any kind of control of the company; I have concerns over where the company might end up if I did...).

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Unemployment in the UK is terrible - the Government lies about the figures and has done since the 1970's. They don't count unemployed partners of those who claim benefits. They don't count unemployed students. They don't count the sick or the disabled (the few that haven't been kicked off sickness benefits). They claim there are around 2 million unemployed. It's nearer 5 or 6 million. On top of that we have over 90% of all jobs (except in banking of course) going to immigrants, who are terribly exploited. Stories of abuse and illegal wage stoppages are rife.
We have amongst the most expensive train fares in the world. A first class return ticket from Birmingham to London (120 miles each way) was around £600 last time I looked. Yes, I could get the journey for around £30, if I booked on the right day. Book on the wrong day and it's more like £70 or maybe £90. The prices change every day according to how far ahead the journey is. Local bus fares in Birmingham are outrageous, It costs £2 per journey (by way of example, it's 60p in Sheffield).
But it doesn't matter, because I'm out of work. I can't claim unemployment benefits because my wife has a job. She doesn't earn enough to make ends meet and we're reliant on state handouts to top up her wages (and still those ends won't meet). But as far as our relentlessly nasty Governments are concerned I don't claim benefits so therefore am part of no official statistics regarding unemployment so that's OK by them. Put simply - I don't exist, so I can be ignored. (I'm 48, with health problems).

Basic IT jobs are largely non-existent. All the big companies, the Utilities and banks now have their IT Support Departments in India. (The same insane offshoring is now happening to the legal profession too. No need for legal students now they've cut Legal Aid for all cases except those where there's a loss of liberty involved). Jobs that used to offer wages that reflected the requirement of a degree, now start at National Minimum Wage. Payrises are a thing of the past in the UK (unless you're in the management league of course, then it's double digit rises year on year). You need a degree to work in McDonalds.

So, some people in the UK earn lots of money. The majority of people are hurting and are being squeezed relentlessly. Another 8-10% price rise for gas has just been announced - from a company that declares profits in the hundreds of millions and that pays no tax in the UK. Three foodbanks open a week. The Government, far from hanging their heads in shame over this figure, boast about it.

salparadise
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Anyway, my apologies. I hadn't mean to hijack the thread with misery.

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No hijack, whatsoever...

It was a very informative explanation as to why many people simply can't travel to these events.

(And, a confirmation of what I suspected the situation for many of those living in the UK to be, also...)

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And, also...

People speak different languages. And, each country has its own culture and subcultures. As well as, its own political and social reality.

So, to attended an event abroad, would, not only force oneself to deal with a different culture that one may not be familiar with (which is not a hard thing to do, but something that makes one more reluctant to travel), and also force oneself to "immerse" in a reality that is not one's own, only to shortly after having to "emerge" from that, but, it would also "force" (maybe, and out of politeness) the local people to not talk in their native language, during that event, so that foreigners could also socialize with the group. (Which doesn't sound like a very nice situation to create...)

Summarizing...

There are also language, social and cultural differences - and consequential barriers - within Europe. So, it doesn't make that much sense - at least, to me - to attend an event like this abroad.

If it was a single international event, organized in a way thought for international attendees, that would be one thing... But, being a series of national and local events, organized thinking about the local communities, it makes more sense to me for everyone to just organize their own local or national events, instead.

(Do you know any other local GNU fan or enthusiast? Organize a local meet-up and celebration!)

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If that's aimed at me...

I'm the only Gnu/Linux user I know. No one I know gives a damn about ethics. The facebook page I reluctantly have (for contact with a few people who refuse point blank to use ICQ or email) is full of three things at the moment "OMG GTA5", "OMG new iPhone" and requests to play viral flash games.
I tried a local LUG but one of the senior Members asked newbies to go away as they were annoying. I tried another only to find it populated with people who seemed to want to spend LUG nights getting drunk and indulging in toilet humour.

Changing the subject briefly...

Does anyone else see pictures of Richard Stallman and think...

It is an ancient Coder,
And he stoppeth one of three.
`By thy long grey beard and glittering eye,
Now wherefore stopp'st thou me?

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It was a general suggestion, for everyone that may be in a situation like yours.

And, yes. I know how bad the situation is, in terms of social values, there in the UK, unfortunately - also from someone I know who lived there. I know that the term now used is even "broken society". And, I deduce that, in such a society, it should be pretty hard to find anyone with social concerns. (My country is not that far behind, also...)

But, I remembered this, and then forgot to mention it...

I know of a group there, in the UK, that even had a FSF-approved GNU/Linux distribution of their own. Which is the one responsible for the "BLAG Linux And GNU" (BLAG) distribution - http://blackfernando.blogspot.pt/2012/07/blag-linux-and-gnu.html - which I liked quite a lot, and was very sad to learn that it's now pretty much abandoned.

The group is called the "Brixton Linux Action Group". And, I was able to contact one of its members, I think, less than a year ago, in the corresponding IRC channel - I think, on Freenode. (So, maybe they're still around.)

Their distro seemed to be more "anarchist-oriented". With various anarchist elements embedded in it. But, if they're the same type of anarchists that I am, they should be happy to know of other enthusiastic English GNU/Linux users.

You can find more information about the distro, including their contact info, on their web site: http://blagblagblag.org/

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I used Blag for a while. It was tremendously sad to see it fade away.
Personally I think that Fedora is a poor choice of base distro, as it's released too often and comes to the end of its life to quickly. I posted a couple of times on their forum back in 2011, partially to say "why use Fedora, it's life-cycle is too quick? You need something with a much slower release cycle (I suggested slackware, but that was before I understood what "free" really means).

As an aside...
The only way to overcome the Great Western Deathcult is by overwhelming it with life. As soon as you cross over into using death, destruction or terror to fight them, you instantly lose. They are masters of death and destruction. They have more cops, more tanks, more water cannon, more tear gas and more guns and bombs and bullets than anyone else. Death and destruction is all they know. So I'm kind of convinced that Gandhi's idea of peaceful, happy disobedience is the only hope against such an array of might and terror.

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(Also, as an aside... And, answering that, because I think it is something really important...)

I agree that, to overcome Evil, one must only practice Good. But, I also think that /self-defence/ (and, not /violence/ - that I define as the force that is used to attack, or impose something upon, others) is a good thing, because it protects that same Good from the destructive force of Evil.
The people who are destroying our Western World, on purpose (http://www.forumdefesa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=10579) and who created this new "culture" of "sex, drugs and rock & roll" (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=97552.0) to help with that (which has very much destroyed the UK, where most of it comes from) are pretty similar to (and even worse than) the fascists, and have several "former" fascists among them (https://trisquel.info/en/forum/ubuntu-1310-second-step-spy-its-users#comment-41996). And, if it was only peaceful resistance that people had offered in the previous century to those same fascists, we would all be already enslaved, by now.
So, I think that we should also be (very much) willing to defend ourselves, if our governments do indeed become tyrannical (https://trisquel.info/en/forum/chrome-os#comment-33746).

"We will win the war when the power of love overcomes the love of power."
--- Daniel Estulin