website builder for html/css

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linuc
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Beigetreten: 10/17/2021

Hi

I no longer want to make websites with CMS, but with html/css. The reason is above all the performance of free hosters. I can do a little html, but not enough. I have almost no idea about css, almost nothing.

So I need a website builder where I can put things together as easily as possible, with templates and plugins. It should also be possible to make a multilingual website.

So far I have come across these tools:

publii
hugo
bluefish
silex

Does anyone have experience with any of these? Are there any others I should look at?

thanks for your advice!

Lèyon di li N.
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Beigetreten: 02/11/2017

Salut to you,
I used Bluefish but now prefer Geany since so many years, but I don't think you get what those programs are:
Bluefish is just an advanced text editor (same for Geany), so I don't think that is what you look for.
Publii looks like being a Content Management System (what kind, I don't really know).
Hugo looks like being a Static site generators that is a type of Content Management System.
Silex looks like being a free What You See Is What You Get website builder that is also a type of Content Management System.
Static site generators might be What You See Is What You Get website builder and those last one might be Static site generators and some project that are both are described only as one of those aspect at the first place.
I would not recommand any What You See Is What You Get website builder because the goal to see what you get is just practically impossible and that often leads to disastrous HTML code.
Static site generators is a very large field in that larger field that is Content Management System, so, if someone have an experience with one in particular he might speak of it, but most users of those just can't judge the code that is produced, so, that might be to take with caution.
So, the only thing I can recommand to you is to learn properly (X)HTML and CSS and to do all with an advanced text editor.
What I don't understand is that host that are free (of charge, I assume this is what you are talking about, even though, most of those are using free / libre software only even though their distribution is rarely with a linux-libre), they generally deal quite well with Content Management System even though they are labyrinthine system I know a few example of free (of charge) hosts hosting SPIP, Wordpress and so on website.
In my humble opinion (a 24 years or almost experienced web developer that prefers to code with an advanced text editor then with Content Management System but that had to sometimes work in that field and compared most of those that are free software somewhere around 2014), I consider Joomla! as the best in term of produced code, practical to use from beginner to really advanced web developers and ergonomy, note that I never measured performances in terms of speed and webserver's resources use that last concidaration being what you might look for if you use a limited in resource free (of charge) webhost.
Hope it might help.

linuc
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Beigetreten: 10/17/2021

Thanks for the tips! My website is WordPress and on a free hoster it gets very slow. In addition, I can no longer update WP automatically, because of the size of the zip file! I would have to do a manual update. So I'm looking for another solution, permanently. LinuC is basically static, except for the forum.

HUGO has made the best impression on me so far. PUBLIII also seems to be interesting. Then there is OPENELEMENT, but the link to the wiki does not work there. This is bad for a beginner.

I think I'm testing HUGO first, then PUBLII and OPENELEMENT.

I haven't found any other website builders for html/css (i.e. without a database) yet.

linuc.hstn.me

Lèyon di li N.
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Beigetreten: 02/11/2017

Wordpress is a typical labyrinthine system.
If you are used to Wordpress, the problem is that you will need time to adapt to another Content Management System because Wordpress is very bad in terms of ergonomy but users when they get use to this ergonomy then hardly adapt to another ergonomy whatever it's a better one or not.
There are definitely worst choice then Wordpress, but compare to SPIP, Joomla! and Type3 (this last one, you would certainly hardly deal with, that's an entire other dimension of Content Management Systems), Wordpress is the worst one in all the terms I mentioned by talking about Joomla.
I don't know all those Content Management System you are talking about, the main problem with less known Content Management Systems is that some are poorly designed and produced an horrible (X)HTML code and you might be amazed by other things (performances like speed) but poor code just works for the average people, so users of your website will have problem with it if it has a poor (X)HTML code.
If you give me links to some website produced by those Content Management Systems you mention, I could look to the code and tell you if it's more or less OK. Preferably real websites, demos generally only uses the basic stuffs that only gives a partial impression of the produced code.

linuc
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Beigetreten: 10/17/2021

Not easy to find the right one. Hugo seems not to have a GUI? Publii has a GUI, but the window is much to big for my small screen and I CAN NOT make it smaller. Seems to have a minimal size. Ther is Quick and Easy Web Builder, that is the first one I could install without problems and works fine. 30 day version for free, then you have to install it new, I think. The little logo is easy to remove. Now I will try GrapesJS and Silex. I wonder if there is a tool to generate more advanced websites, with php functions and java, that can be developted local and then just upload the result to the hoster?

lanun
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Beigetreten: 04/01/2021

> I wonder if there is a tool to generate more advanced websites, with php functions and java, that can be developted local and then just upload the result to the hoster?

I would think bluefish has all you need to do just that.

Another one you might want to have a look at is NetBeans: https://netbeans.apache.org.

Lèyon di li N.
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Beigetreten: 02/11/2017

If I understood well, bluefish is not what he is looking for.

Lèyon di li N.
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Beigetreten: 02/11/2017

If it's not usable with small screen, the website will certainly also not be usable by small screen, so that's certainly a bad software.
Forget about Java, client side, nobody wants it any more, there are more and more browsers that don't want to support it any more and server-side, there are better solution for websites (if PHP can't do what you want, Pearl / Raku or even Python will do).
And if you need server-side programming, Joomla! should do all what you need, you should try.
Moreover, it looks like you are talking of some non-free softwares, Joomla! is free software (now all plugins aren't but, you should find what you need in the many free plugins if you need some).