Adobe Flash

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shilohfire
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Am I able to use Adobe Flash? A game I play needs flash to be able to join the chat.

I do have Gnash and Lightspark installed, but they don't do anything for this.

"apt-cache search flash" did turn up these:

flashplugin-installer - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
flashplugin-downloader - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer (transitional package)

I tried to install them, but seem to be unsuccessful.

I'm still learning linux, so not sure if I did it wrong or what.

calher

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You have the ability to use Flash, but you will lose your freedom. It
is proprietary. Even with Gnash.

andyprough
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Not just proprietary but also extremely insecure. Flash is probably responsible for more hacked systems than any other technology.

CalmStorm

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That is most likely due to it being proprietary though.

Flash being proprietary makes it insecure I am sure.

That being said, I think the adobe people should at least not have the gall to keep it proprietary for life.

commodore256
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I suppose unless you use it for reverse-engineering and figure out how that Actionscript worked. But yeah, the same has been said for Javascript.

shilohfire
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Thanks for the answer.

I probably don't want to use it then, that would defeat the purpose of having Trisquel. I have a Windows laptop I can use instead if I really need to chat.

Should I unistall what I tried to install? It looks like just the installer, not the actual flash?

Do you mean Gnash is proprietary too? Even though it's provided? Or the swf files are?

andyprough
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Might want to ask your game's maintainers if there's another way you can join in the chat. Flash isn't a communication protocol, just a way that they have decided to show the graphical interaction of the chat. The actual chat itself may be occurring via an IRC channel or other communication protocol that the maintainers could give you access to. Most communication methods can be accessed via libre software.

shilohfire
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Thanks, I'll try that, he's pretty good at communicating and working with people playing the game.

calher

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The files.

Beko
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Anything installed through the Add/Remove Programs app or 'Sudo apt install' will be from Trisquel repositories and theres nothing to worry about.

shilohfire
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Thanks, I only use the add/remove programs app or sudo apt install at this point, I figured that was safest until I know more.

commodore256
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It's like running a game in an emulator. (actually, it's exactly like that) The Emulator itself is libre, but the game more than likely isn't. Though I have messed around with compiling test ps1 programs.

If you want to support libre games, if you find them, send them some coin.

This NES game is GPL3 licensed:
https://novasquirrel.itch.io/nova-the-squirrel

nadebula.1984
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Sounds interesting. Thanks for sharing.

shilohfire
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Gotcha, that makes sense, thanks.

So, excuse my ignorance, but what does GPL3 licensed mean? I've been just reading over the forum trying to pick up on things, but wasn't quite sure on that.

commodore256
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You shouldn't really care as long as it respects the four freedoms (of which it does) or if you're a developer and want to link software from another license.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software#Definition

Might I ask, what drew you to Trisquel specifically?

shilohfire
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To be honest it was more of a curiosity. I did do a lot with freeware way back in the 90's, but I don't remember too much, those were my teenage years. I know just enough to be able to look at code and edit it with some reasearch and trial and error, but have no professional training other than C++, java and html courses taken way back in the early 2000s. I sort of moved away from that kind of stuff for years and then suddenly found myself working in IT about 8 years ago in an office enviroment because I know slightly more than your typical end user I guess lol. So frustration at the limitations of the Windows OS, along with a few interactions with "Linux" led me to looking into using it as an OS for my personal computer and learning more about it. As far as Trisquel, I ran across it researching what I needed to build myself a system and the idea of being able to use freeware exclusively caught my curiosity, so this machine (which I actually did buy not build) was a bit of an experiment for me you could say.

CitoplasmaX
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Just a fix: freeware != free software.

nadebula.1984
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If you ask whether you are able to run Adobe Flash (or any other non-free software), the answer is "yes". It's your Freedom Zero, any free/libre operating system should not stop you from running Adobe Flash, even if it's broken beyond repair.

Gnash is only compatible with very old Flash versions, so don't bother to try it. Here is a remainder: Flash will die in next year (Adobe will completely stop supporting it), and an important fact is that FSF no longer marks Gnash as a high-priority project.

Finally, please say "GNU/Linux" if you refer to the operating system, rather than the kernel.

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> It's your Freedom Zero, any free/libre operating system should not stop you from running Adobe Flash, even if it's broken beyond repair.

I haven't used Parabola for a few years, but I recall they had a proprietary software blacklist. It wasn't truly stopping anyone from running non-free software, more of a road block to using pacman to install it if I recall.

shilohfire
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I see, yeah I knew Flash was soon to be obsolete. Funny how many people still use it though. I personally try to avoid it, I was just curious in this situation. I'm new to libre/free ware world and the GNU/Linux world, I'm learning what I can by searching this forum, if I can't find the answer I ask.

I gave Trisquel a try a couple years ago, but didn't really use it much until I recently updated it to 8.0, I like it after the update. My job is mostly hardware and troubleshooting/fixing issues on Windows Enterprise machines but I'm really starting to dislike Windows OS as I learn how a GNU/Linux OS works.

Thanks everyone for taking the time to answer my questions, I'll be asking tougher ones soon hopefully. :)

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On 9/20/19, name at domain <name at domain> wrote:
> broken beyond repair.
Ah, this is the phrase I am looking for to express proprietary
software. I am not English native speaker so phrases are challenging
for me. Thank you so much xliang.

strypey
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> Am I able to use Adobe Flash? A game I play needs flash to be able to join the chat.

FWIW Mumble is an excellent free code program designed for in-game chat. The UX is similar to IRC, you join a server, which can can any number of channels/ rooms. Each room has a text chat box, and users in the same room can hear each other speak (assuming you mic is working, there is a good wizard for troubleshooting mic problems). There are free code Mumble clients for all major OS, and the GNU/Linux client can be installed from the Trisquel repos.