Can not open pdf document
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Hello friends,
My wife is trying to open this pdf document http://ompldr.org/vaTFqdg/n-400.pdf
which is a form to be fill and normally we use evince, but this time it was not
possible. Is there a way to accomplish this without using a proprietary product?
Regards.
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Try printing it and using a pen. You can then scan it back in. This is making the assumption you have the facilities to do this.
Great...this PDF is so "secure" that you can not even save it to PDF under Windows 7 using the latest Firefox plus original Adobe PDF browser plugin. Directly printing to PDF via FreePDF (a free PDF printer driver under Windows) does not work because the source PDF is reported as encrypted.
Printing to Microsoft XPS format and later printing via FreePDF works....
@Lemuriano:
You can grab the converted printout as PDF here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/20n8ydj3cjzqg4l/C%20-test.xps.pdf
Let me know if it does not work....
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I would definitely suggest sending an email to this organization. As I said earlier I've had success with entities like it before. Other US government entities have responded positively to standards compliant format requests.
Yes, it is worth a try..although I doubt you will get much response in most cases. When I mailed several non-government web pages in the german speaking area in regard to provide free alternatives for watching videos, it was more like 40% no response at all, 40% "we will see want we can", 10% "this is not possible because of *bla bla*" and 10% "thanks for your interest in our webpage. your request will be forwarded".
> You can grab the converted printout as PDF here:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/20n8ydj3cjzqg4l/C%20-test.xps.pdf
Please do not betray your country of birth by accepting this:
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and
abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate,
state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject
or citizen;"
In Spanish "abjure" is "renegar". Why would you not love the place where
you were born and repudiate it?
Some of the questions in that application for naturalization:
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"10. Have you ever advocated (either directly or indirectly) the
overthrow of any government
by force or violence?"
This question would have been answered yes by most USA citizens.
"11. Have you ever persecuted (either directly or indirectly) any person
because of race,
religion, national origin, membership in a particular social group, or
political opinion?"
This question would have been answered yes by all USA administrations.
"a. The Nazi government of Germany?"
This question would have been answered yes by Ford and IBM.
"b. Any government in any area (1) occupied by, (2) allied with, or (3)
established with the
help of the Nazi government of Germany?"
This question would have been answered yes by the USA.
"c. Any German, Nazi, or S.S. military unit, paramilitary unit,
self-defense unit, vigilante unit,
citizen unit, police unit, government agency or office, extermination
camp, concentration
camp, prisoner of war camp, prison, labor camp, or transit camp?"
This question would have been answered yes by Ford and IBM.
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Who would ever want to live in or be a citizen of such a police and
fascist nation? For these above and other reasons, this is a document I
will save as a proof of a procedure that discriminates and abuses
people's rights.
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Saludos libres,
Quiliro Ordóñez
Presidente (en conjunto con el resto de socios)
Asociación de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE
Av de la Prensa N58-219 y Cristóbal Vaca de Castro
Quito, Ecuador
(02)-600 8579
09-845 8078
IRC: http://webchat.freenode.net?channels=asle&uio=OT10cnVlJjEwPXRydWU3a
Todo correo que reciba será tratado como información pública, de libre copia y modificación, sin importar cualquier nota de confidencialidad.
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Agree, but a sick and old friend of my family has no choice but to accept then or
literally be on the street.
On the other hand, when a person become a citizen of a country, he must be ready
and willing, to be loyal to the country that is legally adopting him. Also the
citizen to be, should feel emotionally attach to that country. If that is not the
case, is would be better not to sell your soul.
About Sr.Quiliro Ordóñez
It is real nice to help out other people in this forum able to translate documents, but If you feel that you have the right to criticize other governments and their citizens freely. Then You are subject to others criticism and opinions.
My opinions
In One of your statements, You indicated: "Please do not betray your country of birth by accepting this"
I believe the person in question is trying to better himself by adopting another country terms and laws for a better future for himself and family.
Knowing this, as you indicated in your signature, that you are from Ecuador, South America region and landlocked country, rich on Oil but yet consider a high poverty and income inequality among your indigenous people.
Yet, one of largest producer of coca plant leafs, for which then is process by the "Zapateros" illegally in making the coca paste, better known as "Cocaine." Yet your borders and streets are riddle with beggars, thieves, prostitution, child slavery, gangs, and government corruption. Who will want to live in Ecuador?
Im not saying: That all Ecuadorian are bad people, but let me remind you, In the United States there is a large, very large population of Ecuadorian living very content and flourishing economically.
Well, What, I’m trying to say to you: Always look a your own House first! before rambling "mierda ideologica y nacionalista", Ideological and nationalist crap!
Respectfully
jodiendo
Is it possible the file is corrupt? Did you try re-downloading it from its original source?
This seems to be the same issue I have with my country's tax submission
website. They use some kind of PDF form that works only with the
official, proprietary Adobe Reader.
> Hm, on a slightly unrelated note, I see that Abrowser recommends and
> links to Adobe Reader if the built-in PDF reader fails to read a PDF
> (which happens with this one).
I believe that message is embedded in the PDF as I got something like
that with different browsers too. Or did you see Abrowser recommending
it elsewhere?
> Is it possible the file is corrupt? Did you try re-downloading it from
> its original source?
The form "functionality" they use causes the form to disappear and
instead show that error if you don't have the correct version. So it is
not actually a corrupt file.
It looks to me like it's using "features" only available in the adobe reader. I would go with Chris' idea.
Here's my question: how do you print a PDF without software that can interpret what it's supposed to look like? If I was to print this file as I see it, I wouldn't get whatever form it's supposed to be, just the error message that is visible.
I saw that message when trying to file my taxes electronically this year. Instead, I just opted to do it the old fashioned pen-and-paper way.
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Using qpdf to change the PDF's version helps nothing; pdfedit asks for a password to open the file; pdfmod produces this error:
$ pdfmod n-400.pdf [1 Debug 17:36:16.915] Starting PdfMod 0.9.1 [1 Debug 17:36:16.921] Initializing i18n catalog from /usr/share/locale/ [1 Debug 17:36:16.969] Loaded custom AccelMap from ~/.config/pdfmod/gtk_accel_map [1 Debug 17:36:16.982] Cache directory set to ~/.cache/pdfmod [1 Debug 17:36:17.335] Loaded n-400.pdf [3 Warn 17:36:17.480] Caught an exception - PdfSharp.Pdf.IO.PdfReaderException: Cannot handle iref streams. The current implementation of PDFsharp cannot handle this PDF feature introduced with Acrobat 6. (in `PdfSharp') at PdfSharp.Pdf.IO.Parser.ReadXRefTableAndTrailer (PdfSharp.Pdf.PdfReferenceTable xrefTable) [0x00000] in :0 at PdfSharp.Pdf.IO.Parser.ReadTrailer () [0x00000] in :0 at PdfSharp.Pdf.IO.PdfReader.Open (System.IO.Stream stream, System.String password, PdfDocumentOpenMode openmode, PdfSharp.Pdf.IO.PdfPasswordProvider passwordProvider) [0x00000] in :0 at PdfSharp.Pdf.IO.PdfReader.Open (System.String path, System.String password, PdfDocumentOpenMode openmode, PdfSharp.Pdf.IO.PdfPasswordProvider provider) [0x00000] in :0 at PdfSharp.Pdf.IO.PdfReader.Open (System.String path, PdfDocumentOpenMode openmode, PdfSharp.Pdf.IO.PdfPasswordProvider provider) [0x00000] in :0 at PdfMod.Pdf.Document.Load (System.String uri, PdfSharp.Pdf.IO.PdfPasswordProvider passwordProvider, Boolean isAlreadyTmp) [0x00000] in :0 at PdfMod.Gui.Client+c__AnonStorey10.<>m__1C () [0x00000] in :0 [3 Error 17:36:17.481] Erro ao Carregar Documento - Ocorreu um erro ao carregar ~/Downloads/n-400.pdf
I never seen this before. I didn't know about this restriction from Adobe.
But I found this:
Certain PDF files (dynamic XFA forms) created in Adobe LiveCycle can only be opened in Adobe Reader and Adobe Acrobat. When you try to open these files in an alternative PDF viewer, then you will see this error message. Unfortunately, it's not easy remove this message and modify the PDF so that it can be opened in alternative PDF viewers. The person who created the original form must re-create the form using options that do not restrict which PDF viewers can open and display the file. Adobe has made the decision that since very few non-Adobe products support these special PDF files, that it is better to show this message -- and require the user to download Adobe Reader or Adobe Acrobat -- than it is to let the PDF viewer try to render the document. We strongly disagree with this decision that Adobe has made and will work to try to convince them to reverse this bad policy, which just causes needless confusion for users of PDF.
From my experience that message means that the file is not an old-fashioned AcroForms PDF, but actually an XFA form created by Adobe's LiveCycle Designer. Most PDF renderers outside of Acrobat can't render these XFA forms. To get pdf.js to render this type of form, XFA standard support would have to be implemented.
https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/issues/1773
http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/xml/index_arch.html
More info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acroforms#AcroForms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML_Forms_Architecture
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14265
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56913
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Is unfortunate that our own government allow this to happen. Perhaps there are to
many lobbyist working on behalf of adobe and others. This document is created in a
way that can´t be view, therefor can´t be print like Chris suggested, unless a
proprietary tool is use.
This injustices help me understand the importance of projects like Trisquel, so
instead of frustration, it unleash a strong motivation and determination to expose
that what is wrong.
pdfinfo n-400.pdf
Title: Appication for Naturalization Author: USCIS Creator: Adobe LiveCycle Designer ES 9.0 Producer: Adobe LiveCycle Designer ES 9.0 CreationDate: Thu Nov 15 16:21:11 2007 ModDate: Mon Mar 26 15:01:27 2012 Tagged: yes Pages: 1 Encrypted: yes (print:yes copy:no change:no addNotes:no) Page size: 612 x 792 pts (letter) File size: 115265 bytes Optimized: no PDF version: 1.7
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OK,
Here is what you need to do. Contact the agency to which has produced this file and request a standards compliant version. You may actually find that they will even post it alongside this other version. I have had success in the past where issues like this have cropped up. I would estimate the success rate is 1 or 2 out of 100. This might sound bad however that is still worth it if you have the time and energy to pursue it. And considering the difficulty at getting through to the right people thats really not bad at all.
The more people who make these requests the more likely they will comply. If you can find legislation that requires them to produce standards compliant documents try pointing them to the specific legislation in your request. If they resound or do not follow through within a reasonable amount of time try calling, faxing, etc. Be persistent. There very well could be others running into this same problem. Particularly where these types of issues are concerned. In fact it is almost a certainty others are running into them.
Whenever I send a document that I type in LibreOffice in PDF format, I make sure to not only use a font under an open license, but also save in PDF/A-1 to keep tight with standards.
The issue sometimes is opening complex ones that require digital signatures that Evince cannot handle. Do I use the non-free Acrobat, even if its only version 9 from the Canonical parter repository? Do I bite the bullet and find Acrobat on a Windows or Mac machine? Those types of questions get brought up if this is a really really important document that you need to sign and its for a proposal, legal document, or any other form that needs your signature.
It sucks that the PDFs created by these programs are not always sticking to the standards. Its hard to change the habits of people and the default settings of Adobe applications don't help either.
About Sr.Quiliro Ordóñez
It is real nice to help out other people in this forum able to translate documents, but If you feel that you have the right to criticize other governments and their citizens freely. Then You are subject to others criticism and opinions.
My opinions
In One of your statements, You indicated: "Please do not betray your country of birth by accepting this"
I believe the person in question is trying to better himself by adopting another country terms and laws for a better future for himself and family.
Knowing this, as you indicated in your signature, that you are from Ecuador, South America region and landlocked country, rich on Oil but yet consider a high poverty and income inequality among your indigenous people.
Yet, one of largest producer of coca plant leafs, for which then is process by the "Zapateros" illegally in making the coca paste, better known as "Cocaine." Yet your borders and streets are riddle with beggars, thieves, prostitution, child slavery, gangs, and government corruption. Who will want to live in Ecuador?
Im not saying: That all Ecuadorian are bad people, but let me remind you, In the United States there is a large, very large population of Ecuadorian living very content and flourishing economically.
Well, What, I’m trying to say to you: Always look a your own House first! before rambling "mierda ideologica y nacionalista", Ideological and nationalist crap!
Respectfully
jodiendo
El 15/04/13 12:44, name at domain escribió:
>
>
> About Sr.Quiliro Ordóñez
>
> It is real nice to help out other people in this forum able to
> translate documents, but If you feel that you have the right to
> criticize other governments and their citizens freely. Then You are
> subject to others criticism and opinions.
>
> My opinions
>
> In One of your statements, You indicated: "Please do not betray your
> country of birth by accepting this"
>
> I believe the person in question is trying to better himself by
> adopting another country terms and laws for a better future for
> himself and family.
>
> Knowing this, as you indicated in your signature, that you are from
> Ecuador, South America region and landlocked country, rich on Oil but
> yet consider a high poverty and income inequality among your
> indigenous people.
>
> Yet, one of largest producer of coca plant leafs, for which then is
> process by the "Zapateros" illegally in making the coca paste, better
> known as "Cocaine." Yet your borders and streets are riddle with
> beggars, thieves, prostitution, child slavery, gangs, and government
> corruption. Who will want to live in Ecuador?
>
> Im not saying: That all Ecuadorian are bad people, but let me remind
> you, In the United States there is a large, very large population of
> Ecuadorian living very content and flourishing economically.
>
> Well, What, I’m trying to say to you: Always look a your own House
> first! before rambling "mierda ideologica y nacionalista", Ideological
> and nationalist crap!
>
> Respectfully
>
> jodiendo
>
>
>
I guess you have not read my post at all. Otherwise, you would not have
said anything about Ecuador or the USA but about the Application for
Naturalization and the Pledge of Allegiance. You have not asked anything
about my position or have presented proof against it. So, based upon
your own statements, I conclude you are offended but that you agree that
my position is valid and that my statements are true.
Please keep the subject header as it is so the thread is not broken.
--
Saludos libres,
Quiliro Ordóñez
Presidente (en conjunto con el resto de socios)
Asociación de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE
Av de la Prensa N58-219 y Cristóbal Vaca de Castro
Quito, Ecuador
(02)-600 8579
09-845 8078
IRC: http://webchat.freenode.net?channels=asle&uio=OT10cnVlJjEwPXRydWU3a
Todo correo que reciba será tratado como información pública, de libre copia y modificación, sin importar cualquier nota de confidencialidad.