Cross-distro app store

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Leading figures from Debian, GNOME and KDE are proposing to build a cross-distro "app store" on top of Flatpak. Do you think this is a good idea, bad idea, or something which can easily be ignored?

https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-desktop-powers-consider-uniting-for-an-app-store

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As far as I understand, Flatpak is the best way to go to avoid redundant packaging efforts. Contrary to Snap, which is exclusively under Canonical's control, it is possible to create independent Flatpak repositories. We would need a free-software-only repository. I very much doubt the app-store https://raw.githubusercontent.com/PlaintextGroup/oss-virtual-incubator/main/proposals/flathub-linux-app-store.md presents will stick to a free-software-only policy. In my opinion, the payments/donations aspect of the proposal is good, as long as the software is free as in freedom.

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>"Leading figures from Debian, GNOME ..."

I'm amazed they can tear themselves away from their full-time jobs of slandaring/doxxing/canceling/defrauding people like Richard Stallman in order to get anything done at all.

So my vote is "easily ignored".

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slandaring/doxxing/canceling/defrauding people like Richard Stallman
Can you provide more info on it? It may be serious issue

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andyprough is certainly referring to that open letter, although those who signed it are from many different organizations (not only GNOME, KDE, and Debian): https://rms-open-letter.github.io

See https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web for honest context and analysis (contrary to what most of the press wrote at the time, September 2019).

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It's worth linking to the counter-letter in support of RMS that I and 6,875 of my closest friends signed, including others on this Trisquel forum if I recall correctly: https://rms-support-letter.github.io/

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Not so many people supported Richard Stallman : disappointing.

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GNU Mailman, GNU Radio is on the list, EFF in "Some organization have published their own statements." list.
Good to know, it is a list of organizations and individuals I should never trust.

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To be fair, we should note that there are also quite many people from Ubuntu in that list. Also, many people from Red Hat, as in "Flatpak, which originally sprang from Canonical rival Red Hat" (from the article in the OP). Which would leave us with no other choice than LXDE or Xfce if we want to keep using a desktop. But even then, you still need the Trisquel base system, which is based on Ubuntu anyway, which in turn is derived from Debian. So, yes, in the end you have to trust some lousily trustworthy people. This sounds like the eternal challenge of human societies.

That said, the lighter your system, the fewer people you need to trust.

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Xfce actually appears once in each list. The larger a project, the more it occurs it in the two lists. Also, once prominent members of a community go one way, the rest tends to follow or at least not publicly go against (what is good for the continuation of the community in question).

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Oh yes. Just once? That's OK, we can easily expurge the project. Not sure why I even mentioned Xfce anyway, it is not relevant here, not being the default DE of any Trisquel edition. We may find some other DEs where nobody went (publicly) morally subpar, but from the default ones only LXDE would still stand. We could be fine with LXDE, but the Trisquel genealogy remains. Contrary to what the title of that multiple Community Guidelines offender of an article pretends, there is nothing like a "Linux desktop", as we all know here. It sounds like legs and a head, and nothing else.

I mean, "Linux desktop powers". At first I thought it was April's fool trolling, but this was published on March 1st, not April 1st. This is a nonsensical thread. Why is the OP even asking these questions? What about Dumbledore? Is he daft, or is he dangerous?

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>"We could be fine with LXDE, but the Trisquel genealogy remains."

We should re-base Trisquel on TempleOS, like I've always said. Its creator Terry Davis died the year before all the "cancel RMS" drama, so he never signed any letter. His reputation is unstained by the episode.

Or, we could re-base on my Libre antiX Respin ... Surely Icewm's devs weren't trying to backstab Stallman.

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> we could re-base on my Libre antiX Respin

My suggestion to do so was single-handedly downvoted last month. I first suspected the mad voter, but maybe it was just considered off-topic in the main section by a scrupulous member of the Community Code of Conduct Protector guild. This is the problem with totalitarian rating systems: you can never be sure whether you actually did anything wrong.

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/provocation-would-be-ubuntu-pro-possible-trisquel

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"XyndaerbiL". Wow, I like that name. If we could just make it somehow physically impossible to say with the human mouth - like XyndTTTLKTKTXKaerbiL, then it would be perfection.

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Here's an interesting piece of news from this recent 'Flathub in 2023' post:

"What’s Next?
[...]
In parallel, we’ll also be able to turn on the Flatpak repo subsets that enable users to select only verified and/or FLOSS apps in the Flatpak CLI or their desktop’s app center UI."

https://discourse.flathub.org/t/flathub-in-2023/3808

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Btw, at some point Purism was trying to hire people for sanitizing flathub repos. So that they could be used to enrich the repos of their distro. The announcement is gone now, tho[1]

[1] https://puri.sm/job/pureos-packaging-developer/